Villains revealed?

[Brandon Rhea]

http://www.latino-review.com/news/s7ar-wars-so-jedi-hunters

Latino Review is backing up parts of the original villain report from Making Star Wars.

 

[Miz]

Okay, so they're basically Sith. Lightsabers, yellow contacts.

 

[Marf]

I find it adorable that people think Dooku is evil.

But alas, new topic now.

 

[Kaeb]

I honestly think you do your mythos and your storytelling a disservice by simply trying to lump every single character into a category of 'good' or a category of 'bad'. Can you tell me outright right now if YOU are a good or a bad person?

People are more complex than that, and as a result, so should be our fictional characters that we introduce into our culture.

To use a more obvious modern example, in Game of Thrones I've never found myself ever thinking simply just 'Ramsay Snow' is evil, I just think given his upbringing and his harsh environment, his coping mechanism is to control that environment through torture and conquest because ultimately he just wants the adoration of his father. He's a maniac who can't help himself. I don't just think 'Oh he's evil', and leave it at that, in a way I simply think he's pathetic and helpless and a result he causes suffering. I think simply just classing him as evil and then moving on, devalues his character and his arc.

Beyond political commentary, I think George RR Martin spent most of the books just trying to relay to his audience that fantasy shouldn't just be ''handsome white hero in a golden cloak kills all of the orcs in black armour and saves the day after shagging some blonde maidens'', because thematically it's so far from life that it's almost completely unrelatable and as a result, ultimately not interesting. Which is why he tries to emphasize a much greyer world. If you want to not take that approach and have things be oversimplified, then that is up to you, but that's lazy storytelling.

Complicate the characters and the concepts, and I mean all of them.

Make us question why we ever liked or disliked them. Shake convention and don't conform to it. Have us be terrified of a villain in one moment, then feel sadness for them the next.


Just ****ing write good, basically.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

My best friend Prospero and I laid out the entire story of our version of Episode VII last night.

I dare say our villains are quite good.

 

[Miz]

My best friend Prospero and I laid out the entire story of our version of Episode VII last night.

I dare say our villains are quite good.

Lay it on us.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Lay it on us.

All in good time.

 

[Kaeb]

Yo, they should have the main characters mount flying creatures at some point.

That feels very Star Wars to me.

This has nothing to do with this thread, it's just a sequel thought that occurred to me.

Carry on.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Here be space dragons.

 

[Marf]

I honestly think you do your mythos and your storytelling a disservice by simply trying to lump every single character into a category of 'good' or a category of 'bad'. Can you tell me outright right now if YOU are a good or a bad person?

People are more complex than that, and as a result, so should be our fictional characters that we introduce into our culture.

To use a more obvious modern example, in Game of Thrones I've never found myself ever thinking simply just 'Ramsay Snow' is evil, I just think given his upbringing and his harsh environment, his coping mechanism is to control that environment through torture and conquest because ultimately he just wants the adoration of his father. He's a maniac who can't help himself. I don't just think 'Oh he's evil', and leave it at that, in a way I simply think he's pathetic and helpless and a result he causes suffering. I think simply just classing him as evil and then moving on, devalues his character and his arc.

Beyond political commentary, I think George RR Martin spent most of the books just trying to relay to his audience that fantasy shouldn't just be ''handsome white hero in a golden cloak kills all of the orcs in black armour and saves the day after shagging some blonde maidens'', because thematically it's so far from life that it's almost completely unrelatable and as a result, ultimately not interesting. Which is why he tries to emphasize a much greyer world. If you want to not take that approach and have things be oversimplified, then that is up to you, but that's lazy storytelling.

Complicate the characters and the concepts, and I mean all of them.

Make us question why we ever liked or disliked them. Shake convention and don't conform to it. Have us be terrified of a villain in one moment, then feel sadness for them the next.

Just ****ing write good, basically.

You just described my exact views on the topic in a much better way then I could have done so myself. This is entirely the approach that should be taken to writing Sith characters (or any characters) and it is how I design my own. Whether they are good, evil, heroes or villains, chaotic good or lawful evil or whatever doesn't even cross my mind, and on the occasion that I try to categorize them, I just can't. I was actually going to bring up GoT in my previous argument, it is very good example of such writing.

Whenever I read about a Sith character designed to be an infallible EVIL badass, I think about things like what they were like as a child, how they've been treated, what sensitive and personal issues and thoughts they might have. I think about what they are like when they're not working or acting like a "villain", because nobody is a badass 100% of the time. No character or person, is like that.

 

[Miz]

Dragons are overrated, we need dirt bikes.

 

[Rom]

Yo, they should have the main characters mount flying creatures at some point.

That feels very Star Wars to me.

Here be space dragons.

This is Tatooine. It's twelve light years north of Geonosis and a few degrees south of Burning to Death. It's located solidly on the Hyperlane of Misery.

My town, Mos Eisely. In a word? Sandy. It's been here for two hundred generations, and even the new buildings look it. We have moisture farming, womprat shooting, and a charming view of the binary sunset. The only problems are the pests. You see, most places have hawkbats or mynocks. We have.... dragons.

*cue epic musical score*

 

[Cortan]

Krayt Dragons.

...Man imagine a Krayt Dragon fully realised on screen, and not just bones in a desert.

 

[Miz]

Actual flying dragons would be more suited for a place like Alderaan.

 

[Rom]

>.< Embrace the How to Train Your Dragon edit for what it is and move on.

:dafuqbro:

 

[Cortan]

Actual flying dragons would be more suited for a place like Alderaan.

I think we have a problem there then.

 

[jpchewy01]

My best friend Prospero and I laid out the entire story of our version of Episode VII last night.

I dare say our villains are quite good.

My best friend Prospero and I laid out the entire story of our version of Episode VII last night.

My best friend Prospero

best friend

I see how you feel about me.

 

[Miz]

I think we have a problem there then.

Maybe after the Death star blows it exposed the dragons to massive amounts of radiation mutating them to be able to survive space travel, and fly at speeds faster than light. The Dragons then go and devastate other planets in the galaxy, the jedi hunters blame the Jedi and proceed to...well hunt them. They eventually team up to defeat the galaxies most deadliest dragon.

 

[Kaeb]

It just works.

Like the Dewback or the Taun Taun, they've actually become quite iconic to the overall Star Wars aesthetic, and seeing how it's essentially a Campbellian Space Opera combined with fantasy and mature character work, having characters fly on something that isn't technological because they have to would just be great. Also, if they utilized practical effects for their sitting on those mounts for, moments of close up shots, that'd be even better.

I'd also like if that kind of scene incorporated the Force somehow, like they use it to communicate with/calm the creatures, but also make it absolutely nothing like Avatar. More diverse and elemental/ethereal use of the Force plzkthnxbai.


This has essentially become an ''I hope this happens'' thread, but **** it.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Flying characters wouldn't be new to Star Wars either, since the Kaminoans flew on flying creatures, but instead of something that appears in the background it could actually be something of importance.