Taking or even modifying the Mandalorian's code of honor and glory is like removing the Force from Jedi, or in a slightly less crucial role, neutralizing the Jedi code to add in grey areas or changing their views altogether.
Taking or even modifying the Mandalorian's code of honor and glory is like removing the Force from Jedi, or in a slightly less crucial role, neutralizing the Jedi code to add in grey areas or changing their views altogether.
It'd be unfair to attempt to impose them upon Corden in any way.
Chief Chosposi said:I'm contemplating retiring Mitya as a character and joining some other faction. I'm just tiring of all of the ooc crap that these factions are going through. I don't remember the last time I've seen something like this with the empire or chiss... Phil's a good leader and his faction doesn't deserve this.
Well I just got this PM from Cheif:
and I hate to say this but I hope you all are happy with yourselves because to be honest I am disappointed in most of the RPers in this thread.
and I would like it noted I know if Cordon won i would challenge him on the spot because to be honest i wouldn't want him to be the leader of a faction. and last i checked there were rules for people being FL's didn't they need a certain number of posts and have been on the site for a certain amount of time?
And guess what if i won the fight I would probably be challenged because someone has an issue with me see the issue here Jiang, for allowing who ever wins be the leader of a faction do to a dual which a rule I might add that has been out of practice for centuries.
Also all cordon has done since joining the site was bitch look at his track record Jiang before Joining the argument. as a normal user. and normal user all none mandalorians I would kindly ask to stay out of this thread none of you have helped the situation at all.
Especially since this is a Mandalorian issue thread.
The fact that Babyblue can't take 'drama' over leadership issues and IC background isn't our fault, but you can be disapointed in us all you want.
You're free to challenge Corden after he beats Phil, but if Corden beats Phil who is supposed to be the strongest Mandalorian warrior in all the clans how do you stand a chance against this new champion? If anything, you guys are the ones bitching over Mandalorian canon and responding extremely poorly to challenges to your positions of stature.
There aren't any rules for FLs, and Jiang has stated that Corden would inherit the position.
You're free to challenge Corden after he beats Phil, but if Corden beats Phil who is supposed to be the strongest Mandalorian warrior in all the clans how do you stand a chance against this new champion? If anything, you guys are the ones bitching over Mandalorian canon and responding extremely poorly to challenges to your positions of stature.
But if Mulluns who is supposed to be the strongest, though being a leader is more about charisma than being the best, then that means the position is inherently challenge-able to begin with so there's a chance he could beat him.
My only issue with a guy being able to win faction leadership via combat besides the it actually not being tradition is this. Arm can challenge Corden and regardless if he wins then someone else could challenge the victor again and who's to say some people can't repeat challenges?
And you and others are failing to notice that just because someone is made Mandalore does not mean they will immediatly be accepted as such by the people. You can go and say You're Mandalore all you want and run it as you deem fit, but it won't mean anything if you don't have the full support of them all.
By this logic you being Mandalore doesn't mean anything because you don't have the full support of all your people.
That's an ever present issue, and nothing's stopping that from happening within the Sith either with a challenge-able FLship. The Mandalorians are a culture based off of honor, though, and if the accolades of a Sergeant who rose to glory through a test against Mandalore takes control there's always a chance for a split but also the chance that he will be respected and given the opportunity to prove his worth as a full leader.
He has the full support of the majority of his people
I can see that, but even then to me a lot of officers higher than his station wouldn't take to kindly to such a meteoric rise when they have held their higher place through years of service.
That's true, but they've gotta admit he's a ballsy dude to be doing it. He's a self-proclaimed Ori'ramikad, reviving a tradition of excellence for the past and the legacy of his ancestors. He has a reason to challenge Mandalore, and that's exactly what he is doing.
I can call myself Santa, but I won't be traveling all around the world every Christmas Eve. :CHappy
But yeah I can't deny the gravitas it carries.
Then she should start at a low rank, not as general. Period. If she's proving herself anyways, then she needs to work through the ranks, not start out at the top merely because she has a mission under her belt and she's helped OOC'ly. I'm not dismissing Blue's OOC contributions, but it's a very serious issue when her character is instantly gaining a high rank over honest-to-goodness Mandalorian characters.
Minority or not, you have a duty to tend to their concerns. Casually dismissing their complaints as those of 'the minority' is very shortsighted.
That's a very substantial change to their culture, though, and you're already IC'ly chewing characters out for adhering to the 'old ways' when your 'new ways' aren't even posted or clearly defined. That's just not okay.
I strongly advise against that, Phil. It appears to be little more than a way to restrict challenges as so to reduce the threat from them.
No. This is not your faction. This faction belongs to its members, and by their grace you are its leader. IC'ly, it may be 'your way or the highway', but OOCly that is simply not the case. Your duties are to administrate and lead the faction, not to dictate 'this is how it is' to its members. If they desire change, it is your duty to deliver that. If they have an issue with anything in the faction, it's your duty to tend to that issue. Your first priority is always to the members of your faction, never to vague ideals of what the faction should be in your mind.
And people have tried to challenge you, but you have turned them down each and every time. It's a revolving door - challengers enter, you devise a way to tell them no, and you punt them right back out.
If you feel a need to change the faction, you should post your preliminary write-ups in the OOC board and get feedback from everyone, not just your circle of friends. You need community feedback before you so much as consider modifying the Mandalorians or any of their tenets.
Chief Bloo said:Also, just to extend on this- but yes he is supposed to 'consider them', no? Just because the same people are bringing up the same issue over and over, amplifying a seemingly small problem after Phil has shot them down does not sound as if it's some terrible crisis and he is a bad leader. I believe solely that Phil is a great leader, that is why I joined in the first place. But it is okay, things are going to be solved. Not only did we ask for patience and you not give it to us, but we actually are doing things. It's not as if every single step to Mitya and Roxton reinforcing Mitya's advancement IC-wise is everybody else's business OOCly, the complaints are IC so therefore wait until it's been done. I already told Phil to take me off of the roster while we do this. SO thanks, thank you very much for the patience.... Just peachy.
Phil said:BTW, I intend to have this thread stay open or be restarted if necessary. It helps out that I know of issues and try my best to resolve them, or we I should say. I also want to say again that no one be afraid to voice their opinion or complaint, because if something is not being protsted about here by anyone, then I will assume there is no problem with said thing until it's complained about.
I'll respond again to everything that needs to be responded too in a bit. I have a terrible stomach ache from this sudden tidle wave of comments.
I will say though I am dissapointed slightly. I wanted to resolve this without Admins coming in to admin this thread. Rather someone called them in for whatever reason or they themselves decided to jump in, It was not needed and the more we can resolve this peacefully without them, the better I think.
Johnnysauros Rex said:Bustin' skulls!
I disagree with Mulluns' choice to make her a general, but I can see why she'd have a higher rank given the reputation for Jedi as fierce warriors and Mando respect for their combat abilities historically. General? No. An officer most assuredly.
Phil said:Challenger 2: Corden. Still in progress. I stated there would be no Leadership Challenge because "Because determining leadership of a faction and hundreds of thousands of people, if not even more, to someone still new, both IC and OOC, who's only reason he is even stating is "I want to lead" is foolish to even consider." I underline that because I feel people have blantantly ignored it and just said "Honor" is reason enough, which is false. I never said it was all off though, and if he wants to challenge me and fight, then he's more then welcome. It's not going to be for the faction though as he is wanting.
This is why I want to put up guidelines for challenges, so not every single person is challenging another over something that can be resolved in a simple manner and to prevent anarchy from occuring.
Jiang said:If he issues you a challenge, if you duel him, and if he wins, he WILL receive control of the Mandalorians. Period. It doesn't matter what IC or OOC restrictions you attempt to place on it, if Corden challenges you for the title Mandalore and he wins, he will have it. It's as simple as that. [That's me speaking as an Admin, btw.]
Again, revolving door approach. You used one convenient reason or another, either IC or OOC, to deflect both threats to your position.
Phil said:I can assure you we are NOT going in that direction. It's more along the line that we're not the generic Mandalorians who want to fight and challenge everything for the sake of pitty honor while isolating yourselves from everyone else. It's called Evolution, something some people here just don't want for whatever reason.