Dawn of the Republic: Jedi Knights

[Khivas]

Since the only place to advance is to a single PvP leadership rank the net loss to you not advancing due to not doing PvP is zero as a Jedi. Unless you really wanted a PvP rank without doing the work, which means you lose out completely I guess.

My Jedi isn't a fighter and a terrible one when she has to be at that. There are a host of reasons beyond that the council would see fit to never promote her anyway. The effect on the non PvP content which makes up almost all I do is zero.

So those this puts off, what exactly are you worried about? No one is forcing you to do anything different from you are now.

I don't have a problrm with having to PvP to get ahead of anything, that's just common sense. Conduct breeds growth, and in an environment such as ours where there are multiple players, PvP will be a must, eventually.

The problem in that however arises in his PvP is done. If PvP is no fun, why bother sticking around?

 

[Fen Vel]

Stick around for the players and the stories, I'll still be doing them out of pvp even if no one else does, though I am sure they will.

I also feel you guys are forgetting that we RP outside of main battles because it is fun. We can already start pretty powerful if we want so there is no need to do anything out of battles except have fun and tell stories. So I feel that'll make stories more fun because those doing them really want to. Develop if you want to at your pace with no approval but your own. You couldn't ask for more freedom.

Finally we don't know the FL or AFL team yet. There is no PvP machine that give you your rank, or says how good you are. Making the faction fun by RP is its own reward for starters and even if that isn't enough. If we have a good team, which I am sure we will, sure a few IC cookies can be passed around.

Do well, be a good story and help others in the faction and people will look up to you and that is as good as any other rank from faff that anyone can just do from not helping the faction at all.

Finally if your actions help keep other players alive as a doctor, or build an alliance with other factions rather than PvP you still help the faction rewards or not. Make your non PvP matter!

Are we not Jedi? Are we not here for the greater good of each other?

 

[Oreus]

I hope this isn't a shock, but PVP doesn't mean someone dies every time. Find someone on the enemy side who you like as a writer and plan something. Both of you can grow, find an enemy who will be a future rival, etc. Think Obi-Wan and Darth Maul in Clone Wars. They had a lot of back and forth but neither killed the other. Plenty more examples too. PVP if planned out or even unplanned with good people can be fantastic. Though I do agree PVP can be.. terrifying.. at times. Especially if you go against someone who doesn't want to lose and is in it for the kills.

As far as non-pvp threads I think we will still have those. I imagine the FL/AFLs will still plan series for members to take on without pvp. There is a lot that can be done for fun all around.

 

[Lucy Lou]

Doesn't the kill have to be approved by the RPer? Like people can't just go in to kill off someone? *is new here so hasn't PvP'd before with this site's methods/rules*

 

[Painus]

Killing someone's character when it's completely unwarranted is typically a sign of poor play, yes.

People sometimes get attached to their characters, though things do happen. Battle can be unpredictable.

 

[Marcus]

I think all of this has been stated quite clearly prior. If you want to progress, you'll have to do PvP with danger. Does that mean death as a possibility? Sometimes. Although in many cases you could probably work out with the other player(s) that you really don't want to die. Of course then it's on you not to fall down a pit or fall prone with no weapon and two crazy Sith standing over you, with death warrants on you. And can you do other missions and side RPs? Yes, and the more the merrier. And I would hope the FL/AFL folks would provide context and opportunity for these and not just do PvP.

The short of it is this - PvP (with death) will be required for your character to aspire to greatness within the faction or throughout the galaxy. Without that threat, your character is arguably not growing in a military/combat sense, which is what this TL is mostly about. Again, think about SWTOR or even KOTOR - a LOT of story and missions and character growth, but without fighting and the risk of dying, you don't go anywhere. Well, and we don't have medical bays here for when you die.

Hate to compare this site to a game, but in regards to getting a better rank or whatever, you have to PvP with risk. EDIT: And the WHOLE point of this rule is to foster great RP, whether in combat or not. If you don't want to EVER die and want to tell a great story, you can do so. You just won't be Grand Master General Jedi of the High Courts anytime soon.

Grumpy Marcus enters the thread. "Please see this thread (http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/main-battles-moving-forward.62862/) where this very subject was discussed ad nauseum. Thank you." Grumpy Marcus leaves.

Now then, it's fine and dandy to talk about non PvP missions and telling your character's story, but can we stop debating the now-established-and-thoroughly-discussed rule, especially in this thread?

 

[Enzo]

Do you know if the padawan limit will be set to one or will knights be able to take up multiple students at once (for thoes who take up teaching and traini ng for plot reasons)

 

[Marcus]

Do you know if the padawan limit will be set to one or will knights be able to take up multiple students at once (for thoes who take up teaching and traini ng for plot reasons)

I want to know that as well. I have a feeling either the TT or FL/AFL will come up with a ruling on that.

 

[Painus]

I imagine a knight can take on as many padawans as they can handle, which tends to be around one or two.

But yeah, the TT or FL/AFL will most likely make the final decision on that anyways.

 

[Tsunami]

Hello Jedi Guys,

When I finish my Sith Assassin character I am going to be doing a group of flashback threads in which during my teenage years I was sent out by my master and killed a few Jedi. I'm willing to bet that more than a few of you guys have got parts in your bio where a Sith killed a friend, or maybe a former master and was wondering if you would be interested in actually doing a thread that is a flashback of that moment! If you do have something similar then please hit me up with a PM outlining the details of the encounter as well as the age that your character was effected.

Hope your character sheets are coming along well!

 

[Korvo]

I had a question that I'd actually been meaning to ask for a while now. I'm not sure if this was stated anywhere, but do the Jedi have a traditionally centralized territory, or are their holdings scattered, as the map suggests? I'm just curious as to the actual extent of the Jedi Order's influence and sovereignty.

 

[Oreus]

Most of what we know is what the map shows. We control and protect those areas. Seems we have an overlap with the Republic at Tython. Might be a popular point.

 

[Oreus]

So I decided my second character for the Jedi will be a human Jedi Knight who will hopefully become the founder of the Jedi Temple Guard. More to come later.

 

[Painus]

One day I'll actually begin writing Reem's biography.

That day is not today.

 

[TWD26]

Well after consideration, I will be having a character join the Jedi. She's the younger sister of my main character I'm working on, and it should be unique--because their stories will be directly connected. I'm going to have her start out as a Padawan, just because story wise--what I'm working up in my head is that she'll be taken in my first thread--and will have pretty much no experience. I have a few ideas in my head where I see her going in the future, with that said I'm ready to do some work with you guys.

 

[Painus]

Actual photo of me attempting to flesh out my characters in my workshop.

 

[Spooks]

One of my characters will be starting as a Jedi Knight with around two years of experience, most of which was purely spent touring political worlds to seek funding or something along those lines. I have plans for him to eventually become a Dark Jedi, but that's distant future stuff. My general intention is that his Master will be revealed to be an agent of the Sith masquerading as a Jedi, planting the seeds for Reese to fall some time down the line.

I can post a link to the character sheet in the morning, it's a work in progress.

 

[Spooks]

Also, I'd like to point out that the Jedi could and should split, if that's where the writers take things. If some characters are extremely lawful and others are borderline evil, if some are like Revan and others turn into Anakins, the Order could easily splinter and devolve into civil war. There's no reason it shouldn't start as a zealous legion of righteous, wrathful Crusaders and begin devolving as the lighter characters notice just how far things have come. That's far more interesting, in my opinion, than a purely peaceful or purely violent order.

 

[Painus]

Violence is justified when those slain cannot travel down a darker path.

 

[Marcus]

So in case anyone needs special clarification on ranks for their bios and such, these have been mentioned in the Faction Training and Ranks thread. Most of us will be Jedi Knights (or Padawans if you so choose, but you'll have the same "rights" as the Knights for the most part), some folks will become Jedi Generals, and then the main Faction Lead will be a Jedi Lord. It should be noted that until this is more publicly announced it could change. However, it did come from Brandon's mouth/hands.

I have clarified this in the OP under the planned roster spoiler section.