[Interest check]Grey Jedi

[vamp]

I was thinking about forming a Grey Jedi faction since there isn't currently one. I'll be writing it up soon, but for now, is anyone interested?

 

[Outlander]

Aren't the Jedi kind of Grey Jedi in themselves?

 

[Prudence]

I was thinking about forming a Grey Jedi faction since there isn't currently one. I'll be writing it up soon, but for now, is anyone interested?

Grey Jedi on SWRP don't really work. If you use the dark side, you take corruption. You can't really dabble in both effectively

 

[vamp]

Grey Jedi on SWRP don't really work. If you use the dark side, you take corruption. You can't really dabble in both effectively

Yeah, this faction wouldn't necessarily be people who are completely neutral Force wise, but psychologically grey. It would be a mix of both Sith and Jedi that are not satisfied with their factions and want to maintain a balance

 

[vamp]

Aren't the Jedi kind of Grey Jedi in themselves?

I mean, kind of, but post-timeskip Jedi would probably be more like the monk ones we see in the movies I guess

 

[Outlander]

I mean, kind of, but post-timeskip Jedi would probably be more like the monk ones we see in the movies I guess

How so? Post skip, they'd probably be even more heavily invested in the war with the Sith.

 

[vamp]

How so? Post skip, they'd probably be even more heavily invested in the war with the Sith.

Yeah, but I doubt they'd be like Grey Jedi.

 

[Outlander]

Yeah, but I doubt they'd be like Grey Jedi.

I mean, I guess it all hinges on what you consider a grey jedi?

Why not saying what you think a Grey Jedi would be in this context? That way, I can actually see if what you're doing is similar to the Jedi or not.

 

[Valen Pelora]

As your friendly neighborhood Jedi AFL, let me pop in here.

It would be helpful if you explained what you meant by "grey Jedi." There are a hefty number of morally ambiguous Jedi given the current state of the galaxy and the Army. We certainly are no oppose to killing. Post TS we won't simply be reverting to "monks." The Jedi Army will still be heavily involved in the war with the Empire.

 

[Vosrik]

Yeah, this faction wouldn't necessarily be people who are completely neutral Force wise, but psychologically grey. It would be a mix of both Sith and Jedi that are not satisfied with their factions and want to maintain a balance

Just saying...this concept of maintaining/imposing balance is kind of already manifest in the Shadow Conclave (though it's less oriented towards just Force Sensitive people). Not to say that you couldn't go ahead and give it a shot, but I'm curious what their overall goal or motive would be, more specifically. Working aggressively against all factions might eventually end up with them being branded as a terrorist organization.

 

[Galen Mareck]

I would definitely be interested for sure. As far as trying to figure out what Gray Jedi are.....

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.


Hope this helps....

 

[Valen Pelora]

I would definitely be interested for sure. As far as trying to figure out what Gray Jedi are.....

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.


Hope this helps....

Most of this is from legends canon which does not apply to this time line. As the "Disney" canon currently stands there are no Force users who are capable of using both the Lightside and Darkside. Although, that may change based on Episode VIII and there have been more "grey" seeming canon characters. The current state of things on the site is that if you use the Darkside of the Force you are subject to corruption. This means there cannot be character who uses both the Darkside and the Lightside of the Force.

 

[Vosrik]

I would definitely be interested for sure. As far as trying to figure out what Gray Jedi are.....

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.

Hope this helps....

Well, due to NuCanon, the first example you have of a Grey Jedi no longer exists. Stickied on our Roleplaying Help board is a guide called Dark Side Corruption and You, where former admin Boli went into great detail about how the Light and Dark sides of the Force are to be accurately depicted in Disney's Star Wars (i.e. without the EU). Grey Jedi in NuCanon are solely members who distance themselves from the Council.

 

[Outlander]

I would definitely be interested for sure. As far as trying to figure out what Gray Jedi are.....

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Although the term did not directly refer to those who were capable of using both light and dark side Force abilities, all Gray Jedi could do so. The term was similar to that of "Dark Jedi" in that it could refer to any Force-user, and not only to Jedi. For example, the Voss Mystics were considered to be Gray despite holding very different views than, and refusing association with, the Jedi Order. Sith were never considered to be Gray Jedi, as the Sith Order taught full commitment to the dark side. The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Gray Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council. A group of renegade Jedi called the Gray Paladins used the term this way to describe themselves—they advocated minimal reliance on the Force and the use of blasters but otherwise held to the Jedi Code.


Hope this helps....

Did you just copy the wookiepedia article?

 

[Galen Mareck]

Did you just copy the wookiepedia article?

Yeah, I sure as hell aint gonna type that out. i thought i included the link in there?

 

[Wit]

1. The Jedi will not be monk like after the time skip, I'll be working on getting a small write up out over the weekend giving some details about what to expect from the Jedi after the time skip.

2. As far as psychological greyness goes, the current Jedi already have a great many members who are grey. And as Vosrik mentioned there are already indie factions that offer something of what you're aiming for. Not saying that should stop you from creating this, but just letting you know there already are places where such characters would fit in.

3. EU grey Jedi, ones that balanced light and dark don't exist at this point of time in the new Disney canon. As we follow the Disney canon we can't have characters who balance using the light and dark side of the force. At least not until more information comes out from future sources like movies and books.

4. Profit.

 

[vamp]

1. The Jedi will not be monk like after the time skip, I'll be working on getting a small write up out over the weekend giving some details about what to expect from the Jedi after the time skip.

2. As far as psychological greyness goes, the current Jedi already have a great many members who are grey. And as Vosrik mentioned there are already indie factions that offer something of what you're aiming for. Not saying that should stop you from creating this, but just letting you know there already are places where such characters would fit in.

3. EU grey Jedi, ones that balanced light and dark don't exist at this point of time in the new Disney canon. As we follow the Disney canon we can't have characters who balance using the light and dark side of the force. At least not until more information comes out from future sources like movies and books.

4. Profit.

I suppose this faction would mostly be for Jedi who defected or Sith who have a conscience. I'll write it up and stuff, and we'll see what the admins say.

I mean, I'm like 90% it won't get approved but I want to argue my case just to make sure. Even if the faction doesn't get approved, I'll at least write a lore article on the Grey Jedi

 

[Outlander]

I suppose this faction would mostly be for Jedi who defected or Sith who have a conscience. I'll write it up and stuff, and we'll see what the admins say.

I mean, I'm like 90% it won't get approved but I want to argue my case just to make sure. Even if the faction doesn't get approved, I'll at least write a lore article on the Grey Jedi

Approval is probably the smallest issue for an indie. The real kicker is getting members and maintaining activity. You could probably get approved, but you're trying to fill a nicne that already has a lot of people filling it, and there isnt a lot that makes this idea more appealing than those.

 

[vamp]

Approval is probably the smallest issue for an indie. The real kicker is getting members and maintaining activity. You could probably get approved, but you're trying to fill a nicne that already has a lot of people filling it, and there isnt a lot that makes this idea more appealing than those.

I suppose, but most indie factions are groups of smugglers or mandalorians or warriors. I'm planning on creating a faction for all Force users who are misfits and don't fit in with the Jedi or Sith, and also don't want to be a part of the criminal world. The main focus will be to preserve peace by resolving conflicts without violence but using it when needed, and trying to find a middle ground between the Jedi and the Empire. Before you say that sounds like the Jedi, it might, but still some people would rather not associate with the Jedi because of either their warrior-ness or for whatever other reason

 

[Outlander]

I suppose, but most indie factions are groups of smugglers or mandalorians or warriors. I'm planning on creating a faction for all Force users who are misfits and don't fit in with the Jedi or Sith, and also don't want to be a part of the criminal world. The main focus will be to preserve peace by resolving conflicts without violence but using it when needed, and trying to find a middle ground between the Jedi and the Empire. Before you say that sounds like the Jedi, it might, but still some people would rather not associate with the Jedi because of either their warrior-ness or for whatever other reason

I mean, hey, more power too you. But its a hard sell. The Jedi and Sith will pull most of the force users, the crim and some grey Jedi will go with the Conclave, the good guys and some grey Jedi will go to the Protectorate, and you'll be left with a group appealing to only a niche of a niche and a fraction of that to boot.