Long Nights and Runaway Neurons OOC

[Andreus Makaryk]

(IC thread)

Since Santoro apparently wants to re-open the flamewar over Lend Me Your Ears, it can go here instead of in my RP. Thank you.

 

[Gambler]

Sorry to say this, Dei, but Santoro is right. The attack would have completely destroyed Cole's temporal lobes, namely Broca's and Wernicke's areas, nullifying his ability to form, comprehend, or understand language. He can't so much as think with language. It's not even a matter of plasticity at this point. Also, reading his post, the entire thing is rubbish. Cole wouldn't be thinking at all; he'd be comatose, aka completely useless. He wouldn't be capable of using language to express himself at the very least. To be completely honest, the decibels of sound should have torn through massive amounts of brain tissue, leaving him dead on the floor. Whether this happened last night or a few weeks ago is irrelevant. What matters is that fact that the entire post is bs. Unless his character happened to have been standing in a soundproofed box when the sonic waves started, he isn't capable of doing anything right now.

Oh, I'm sorry, but that would require you guys to take reality into account, wouldn't it? I didn't feel the need to spot check the thread for screw-ups like this because I felt that after the OOC thread people would have gotten the idea and come to terms with the basic facts. Apparently I was wrong.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Gambler, please delete your post in the IC thread; I made the OOC for a reason.

I tried to tell Zach to make his injuries more severe, and truth be told I had planned around making his injuries more severe, but he would not take my advice. Truth be told, he was the headphone senator, and bac declined to overrule that, so for all I know, they mitigated the sound just barely enough for him to retain the vocabulary of a third grader. I made suggestions to make the RP more "realistic" per your standards; he refused them, not much I could really do. I don't RP by calling injuries on other characters, sorry. Most I could do was make suggestions that were refused.

The fact of the matter is that post sat there for more than two weeks, and no one gave a damn. I would have thought that after bac made his ruling and Zach posted taking the ruling into account, that you and Santoro would have been all over it like flies to shit. I didn't see bac telling him to edit his post then, either. But apparently, it was not important enough for you to raise the point then. Had you done so, this could have been resolved then, my RP could have taken that into account, and I would not have to rip it apart and start over.

I should also point out that bac knew I was going to make this thread, it's been a week, and he hasn't said anything either. Sorry, in the real world, you sit on your rights, you lose them.

 

[Santoro]

Yes, we all knew you were making this thread. That doesn't mean we were lurking your posts.

The fact of the matter is that post sat there for more than two weeks, and no one gave a damn. I would have thought that after bac made his ruling and Zach posted taking the ruling into account, that you and Santoro would have been all over it like flies to shit. I didn't see bac telling him to edit his post then, either. But apparently, it was not important enough for you to raise the point then. Had you done so, this could have been resolved then, my RP could have taken that into account, and I would not have to rip it apart and start over.

I should also point out that bac knew I was going to make this thread, it's been a week, and he hasn't said anything either. Sorry, in the real world, you sit on your rights, you lose them.

If we're going to play that game, then people technically have 180 days to let their grievances known.

 

[Gambler]

I believe I already admitted to being at fault for not checking up on the post, but then again, that fault is not solely my own. I trusted that he would take realism into account after being told repeatedly the extent of the damage he would have taken. Apparently that trust was misplaced, since obviously he tried getting around that.

I'm completely fine with your idea of attempting to heal him, as long as you make it realistic. My problem is with Zach. I'm trusting that you will think it through to Rp it out realistically, Dei, but that trust doesn't extend to Zach. It's rather unfortunate that he keeps trying to get around rulings and reality for the sake of... what? Keeping a made up character in a game? Actually, I take that back. It's not "unfortunate" but rather completely hilarious that he's willing to go to such ridiculous lengths to preserve his character after walking into a trap.

I'm going to point out, once more, that timeframe is inconsequential. If someone posts a ridiculous character at Master-level with no former training and every Force power conceivable while neglecting to meet the bare requirements to post a profile and it slips the net, should that person then be allowed to Rp it out as much as he or she wants? And then, if someone by chance notices the error, should that person be able to say, "But I've had this character in Rps for weeks IRL!" to wiggle out of the scope of the rules? By your logic, sure.

You see, the problem (I hate repeating myself, but you've shown that you don't listen when I say things once) isn't the fact that you are healing Zach. The problem is that Zach decided to skirt the rules, rely on a slip-up and a little lax tension on the noose around his neck, in effort to keep this character alive for whatever reason.

 

[Zach]

I beg your pardon, but **** off. I made that psot after the ruling, you all saw the post, no one gave a damn, Bac read the post, he didn't care, I made all the injuries specifically for what Bac ruled, and I even specifically brought it up in a post asking if he was able to function this much. If you have further problems, bring it up with an admin.

On a side note, not that it involves any of you in the slightest, but he'll play no part with the Republic in the future anyway, he's going to play an extremely minor part to the Pentacle Athame Order. In all honesty, this thread is pretty much just letting me keep the same profile for what I'd do anyway with a whole new character. If he died, I'd make a new character and use him with the Pentacle Athame Order. If he lives, I do a recovery thread over some significant amount of IC time, then ally him with the Pentacle Athame Order.

This happened what, a month ago? Quit your bitching, put a tampon in your bleeding vaginas, and let it go for god's sake.

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For those of you that will request proof of Bac's statement saying he's functional, here you go.

More specifically for your character, though, I don't think he'd really be able to stay in the Senate. As I said in my ruling, you're alive and functional, but you still have brain damage, you're confined to a wheelchair, etc. Odds are your senator would retire or be asked to step aside for someone who can fully perform their job.

For the whole thread, here you go.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=626723#post626723

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

I'm going to point out, once more, that timeframe is inconsequential. If someone posts a ridiculous character at Master-level with no former training and every Force power conceivable while neglecting to meet the bare requirements to post a profile and it slips the net, should that person then be allowed to Rp it out as much as he or she wants? And then, if someone by chance notices the error, should that person be able to say, "But I've had this character in Rps for weeks IRL!" to wiggle out of the scope of the rules? By your logic, sure.

Yeah, I got your point, so I am not going to bother replying to the parts not quoted, as we agree at least as much as I told Zach I thought his injuries should be more severe--specifically I asked him how he could still have the fine motor coordination to write and about his command of language, btw.

I honestly think your example of a noob attempting to slip a Master in would be caught the first time said noob tried to RP with it, and the site would move on. Hell, I want to move on; I tried playing by the rules, and now you and Santoro expect me to completely gut and rip out an RP that I started in good faith. My point is that you, Santoro, and the like failed to object before things moved on. Had you objected then, I would have been able to clear the air and get on with my RP. Now that you waited, and I have tied this RP into my "mission" I need to do to get promoted within the Jedi, my character's development is demonstrably harmed by your failure to be diligent and act within a reasonable timeframe.

So yes, I believe I have every right to be upset that you could not be bothered to raise your objections before it snowballed into something even more messy.

Seriously, this kind of logic is the reason why statutes of limitation exist IRL. This is why timeframes DO matter.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Yes, we all knew you were making this thread. That doesn't mean we were lurking your posts.

If we're going to play that game, then people technically have 180 days to let their grievances known.

Hell, if we're going to play that game, I guess you would have three years.

I imagine what a court would consider reasonable in terms of deadlines might not work so well for RP though. Hint: RP is more fluid and generally moves faster than a court docket.

 

[Santoro]

Let me clarify- I'm not asking you to redo the entire thread. Instead, I'm stating that this turnaround won't be good enough to put him back on the Senate. I'm with Gambler- I have no problem with you trying to heal Zach's dude, but Zach has to realize it's not simply repairing a connection from the body to the brain. He'd have hardly any memories from his previous life, he'd have to learn to speak again, probably won't walk, that sort of thing.

But thanks for your mature dealings, guys. Thumbs up.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Santoro, I should clarify that I have told Zach repeatedly that I will not do an insta-heal RP.

To put it into perspective, I had planned with Will on attaining Knighthood after the first operation. However, that is only the first operation--I intend to continue the RP through the time (and after) I become a Master. I could easily see this RP taking 6-12 *OOC* months before it is "complete."

 

[Zach]

Let me clarify- I'm not asking you to redo the entire thread. Instead, I'm stating that this turnaround won't be good enough to put him back on the Senate. I'm with Gambler- I have no problem with you trying to heal Zach's dude, but Zach has to realize it's not simply repairing a connection from the body to the brain. He'd have hardly any memories from his previous life, he'd have to learn to speak again, probably won't walk, that sort of thing.

But thanks for your mature dealings, guys. Thumbs up.

Perhaps I was misleading in my previous post. He will have NOTHING to do with the Senate post-recovery. Absolutely ZERO involvement with the Republic at ALL, honestly.

I am completely in favor of that type of recovery, and I was already under the impression that needing to relearn basic actions was part of the recovery process. I am not so naive to imagine instantaneous recoveries.

 

[Gambler]

I beg your pardon, but **** off. I made that psot after the ruling, you all saw the post, no one gave a damn, Bac read the post, he didn't care, I made all the injuries specifically for what Bac ruled, and I even specifically brought it up in a post asking if he was able to function this much. If you have further problems, bring it up with an admin.

On a side note, not that it involves any of you in the slightest, but he'll play no part with the Republic in the future anyway, he's going to play an extremely minor part to the Pentacle Athame Order. In all honesty, this thread is pretty much just letting me keep the same profile for what I'd do anyway with a whole new character. If he died, I'd make a new character and use him with the Pentacle Athame Order. If he lives, I do a recovery thread over some significant amount of IC time, then ally him with the Pentacle Athame Order.

This happened what, a month ago? Quit your bitching, put a tampon in your bleeding vaginas, and let it go for god's sake.

Play nice, kiddy, unless you want the mean dragon to eat you. If someone sees flaws in your logic, or lack thereof, it is polite to confront their points with rebuttals, not snide comments and immature insults.

 

[Zach]

Play nice, kiddy, unless you want the mean dragon to eat you. If someone sees flaws in your logic, or lack thereof, it is polite to confront their points with rebuttals, not snide comments and immature insults.

I tried that, it resulted with you raging and ranting and disregarding every point I made, so I pretty much gave up on debating with someone who refuses to discuss an issue and can't grasp the concept that someone else might be right.

You might want to take your own advice, as far as snide commends and immature insults go. I retaliate - you instigate.

EDIT: This is in no way a reference to Santoro, he's been very mature and open to discuss about the matter.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Let me clarify- I'm not asking you to redo the entire thread. Instead, I'm stating that this turnaround won't be good enough to put him back on the Senate. I'm with Gambler- I have no problem with you trying to heal Zach's dude, but Zach has to realize it's not simply repairing a connection from the body to the brain. He'd have hardly any memories from his previous life, he'd have to learn to speak again, probably won't walk, that sort of thing.

But thanks for your mature dealings, guys. Thumbs up.

Santoro, I don't know if you realize this, but a determination that Cole could not communicate at all by writing would mean I would have to go back and edit large sections of my posts. Hence my reference to having to tear it apart and gut it against my will, which is a very large reason why I objected to the gravedigging of your issues with Zach and said it should have been brought up shortly after bac ruled and Zach posted his injuries instead of waiting nearly three weeks. I doubt you actually intended this, but it would be a natural consequence of Cole being deemed by admins as unable to write.

This dispute seems to have ground posting (it was Zach's reply) to a halt, which is part of why I mentioned my char development getting harmed by this whole thing. I had expected to be a Knight by now, lol.

Also, I don't think the mods noticed my request to split your original OOC objection and my reply from the IC thread into this thread. Is it possible for you to delete your post from the IC (maybe cut/paste it here so bac can reference it when he comes back), then I can do likewise with my reply? Thanks.

Gambler, in reference to your comment "it isn't a matter of plasticity at this point," if you read the post again, you should see that Dei *is* concerned that the brain damage is widespread enough that the brain would not be able to adjust and reallocate its resources on its own. Basically, Dei's suspicions ICly agree with you, sorry if my mention of the concept appeared unclear. Of course, he has not seen the brain scan yet, after that he will have much more specific information to work with.

 

[Zach]

I would like to publicly apologize for certain statements I've made that have been FAR beyond the standards of rude. I still hold my current position on the matter of the IC posts, but I was out of line in my OOC posts towards Santoro and Gambler.

 

[Zach]

Is this issue concluded? If so, me and Dei would like to continue posting. If not, we'll keep the thread on hold until it is, but we'd like to continue as soon as possible. Anyone still have objections?

EDIT: If no one responds by Midnight on Monday morning, I'll take that as a go-ahead to keep posting in the IC thread.

 

[Santoro]

Gambler knows more about the brain than I do, but I still hold the belief he'll be limited to having a poop sack and retardation.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

The delay caused by your gravedigging has gone on long enough. I have requested bac to put an end to this once and for all, one way or another.

 

[Zach]

IC thread will be kept on hold until further admin ruling has been posted. Are we in agreement that this will be the final ruling and the issue will not be contested in the future?

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

I do not care if the further admin ruling is contested or not--it shall be FINAL and I will request that any further trolling be deleted.