Long Nights and Runaway Neurons OOC

[Santoro]

I do not care if the further admin ruling is contested or not--it shall be FINAL and I will request that any further trolling be deleted.

You really, really need to pull the stick out of your ass.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

You really, really need to pull the stick out of your ass.

That's funny, I could say the exact same for you and Gambler...

 

[Santoro]

That's funny, I could say the exact same for you and Gambler...

Except we've been comparatively calm. Chill out.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Except we've been comparatively calm. Chill out.

Seriously, if bac's ruling, and subsequent administration of it, didn't go far enough for you and Gambler the first time, how can I EVER have a reasonable expectation that it will be enough?

Do you and/or Gambler intend to keep gravedigging until either bac gives you your way or I am forced to abandon the RP?

Despite your protestation to the contrary, this is what it looks like. (Edit to add) It's also why I made such a big deal about making whatever bac does with this thread FINAL.

 

[Jake]

The definition of trolling is in serious need of clarification, obviously.

So... is the only real "debate" here (and I use the word loosely) the extent of the damage Zach's character has suffered?

Personally, I could see some messy handwriting and some basic speech by the end of the operations, but at present time I would imagine the ex-senator's mind as more of a liquefied pink lump at a superficial glance.

Surely you two could rig something similar to Stephen Hawking's chair, albeit more advanced and useful? If Dei could restore basic mental functions then Zach's advanced chair could make logical inferences and he could have slightly garbled speech or something. He would be a mostly useless character but he would still be there.

Or instead of anything shove a radio down his throat and program him to walk around Coruscant playing Glenn Miller's Boom Shot at annoying volumes to give everyone a taste of what happened to him.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

No, the real debate here is whether my RPs should be held up because other RPers are allowed to gravedig objections that have already been ruled upon by the admins.

There was plenty ample opportunity for Santoro and Gambler both to object that Zach should not have been writing out notes when he posted that Christmas evening. They chose not to object within that time.

I waited to start this RP until the threadnought over Lend Me Your Ears was pretty much dead, implying the issue had been resolved. Only then did they decide to gravedig the argument that had already been resolved in another thread. It has held up my character's development, and this makes me Not Happy.

I would also like to go on record as saying I PMed bac asking for a ruling 53 hours ago and have yet to receive so much as an "I will look at this" in reply.

 

[Jake]

So the whole debate was caused by the fact that they...

Didn't notice the thread until now?

Cool, I'm going to make a character with subtly gamebreaking skills, but I'll hide it behind walls of text. Then when no one reads the profile and I start killing people I can just say that they had plenty of time to object before I started using it in an RP.

 

[Santoro]

Seriously, if bac's ruling, and subsequent administration of it, didn't go far enough for you and Gambler the first time, how can I EVER have a reasonable expectation that it will be enough?

Do you and/or Gambler intend to keep gravedigging until either bac gives you your way or I am forced to abandon the RP?

Despite your protestation to the contrary, this is what it looks like. (Edit to add) It's also why I made such a big deal about making whatever bac does with this thread FINAL.

Bac never made a ruling that Zach was just paralyzed.

No, the real debate here is whether my RPs should be held up because other RPers are allowed to gravedig objections that have already been ruled upon by the admins.

There was plenty ample opportunity for Santoro and Gambler both to object that Zach should not have been writing out notes when he posted that Christmas evening. They chose not to object within that time.

I waited to start this RP until the threadnought over Lend Me Your Ears was pretty much dead, implying the issue had been resolved. Only then did they decide to gravedig the argument that had already been resolved in another thread. It has held up my character's development, and this makes me Not Happy.

I would also like to go on record as saying I PMed bac asking for a ruling 53 hours ago and have yet to receive so much as an "I will look at this" in reply.

We aren't aiming to take away your roleplays. I don't give a damn about your character progression. However, I do give a damn about what Nevermore said- hiding crap behind walls of texts. The timing isn't an issue here, it's the content of the writing.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

So the whole debate was caused by the fact that they...

Didn't notice the thread until now?

Cool, I'm going to make a character with subtly gamebreaking skills, but I'll hide it behind walls of text. Then when no one reads the profile and I start killing people I can just say that they had plenty of time to object before I started using it in an RP.

So, are you claiming they didn't notice Zach's post in an RP that Santoro of all people started?

Come on, I'm not quite stupid.

More than likely, they saw it, but didn't care.

Zach and I both cleared this RP with bac. Though I told Zach that his injuries should be more severe, he said bac had approved them, so what the hell was I supposed to do? Call his injuries anyway and be guilty of godmodding myself?

The fact of the matter is I waited, expecting them to raise holy hell that Zach could write, and nobody cared. Now that I make a new thread, suddenly this old and tired argument that Zach is 14598659034% braindead rises from the grave.

Bac already dealt with this shit once. For your plan to work, you would also have to get bac to approve your gamebreaking power.

 

[Jake]

I think "old and tired argument" is generally reserved for religious debates and other genuinely "old and tired" things, Dei. :P

And I wasn't calling you stupid, but you misunderstood me. I was talking about this RP. Which they might not have noticed until recently or just forgot about.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I would also like to go on record as saying I PMed bac asking for a ruling 53 hours ago and have yet to receive so much as an "I will look at this" in reply.

I've been without internet access, save for an iPod, for basically that entire length of time. I have a lot of PMs to go through, some of which involve this thread, so I'll get to it this afternoon.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I've been without internet access, save for an iPod, for basically that entire length of time. I have a lot of PMs to go through, some of which involve this thread, so I'll get to it this afternoon.

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[Gambler]

Out of curiosity, why is an admin ruling needed anyway? Shouldn't members take common sense into account? I remember a few months ago when little "debates" such as this were solved by members without the endless drama.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Out of curiosity, why is an admin ruling needed anyway? Shouldn't members take common sense into account? I remember a few months ago when little "debates" such as this were solved by members without the endless drama.

If this is a stealth accusation of flaming/trolling from my end, I do not appreciate it.

 

[Jake]

I think it's a not-so-stealthy accusation of you taking everything too seriously and being way too over the top.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Well, I for one find it strange how my common sense tells me that gravedigging and necromancing an argument from one thread to another, much less an argument that has already been ruled upon by site admins, is against the rules on pretty much every forum I have ever been on.

Nevertheless, it is probably best for us all to await bac's ruling.

 

[Zach]

*squints eyes and massages the bridge of the nose*

Dei, chill out. At this point, no one is trolling, but you are raging and accusing them of going out of their way to bring this issue up as if they were specifically trying to piss us off. I see their points, I understand their points, and I agree with some of their points to a certain extent. Which is why I wish I'd been more calm in my earlier posts in this thread. My uncalled for rage was due to some real life issues, which I vaguely described to Gambler in the PM we had, along with an apology. I also posted a public apology to Gambler and Santoro in this thread because I realized I was over the top.

The fact of the matter is this: No one is grave digging. No one is trolling. No one is raging without reason. Santoro has interest in this matter because it is in direct result to one of his actions in the RP. Gambler is a member of the faction that this came from, so it involves him as well. The IC thread for Lend Me Your Ears had plenty of time to be viewed, yes, but keep in mind that it was the holidays and that not a lot of people were active during those times. The post was probably viewed and doubted in their minds, but it wasn't enough of an issue to bring up at that moment.

Admins have LOTS of duties on the site, we can't expect one issue to take priority over others. The issue will not be ignored, and it will be dealt with when it is dealt with. There's nothing we can do (or should do) to speed up that process, as the admin staff is made up of responsible members that can be relied upon to take care of the issues at hand.

On to what the actual debate is about: I believe it's whether or not ex-senator Cole Loker has the amount of function that I've been posting with (paralyzed with only the use of his hands and being able to turn his head, no hearing, no speech, and a limited vocabulary). The reference I made to what Bac said was not an official ruling only a side comment in a separate thread when asked about his injuries. I believe the quote can be found on the first or second page, but just to reiterate, all Bac said was that Cole was functional, without hearing, and put in a wheelchair. It was not specified how functional he was, but it was implied that he could think and communicate in some way other than speech. Should it be further specified in detail branching off from the original ruling, I would be more than happy to alter my posts to have it so he communicated through a Steven Hawking chair, if it is within the limitations of his injuries.

Santoro is right. Let's just chill, let Bac get to it when he gets to it, and stop the rage fests. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing left to add to this conversation until Bac makes his next post, so unless there's another point that someone would like to bring up, I think we should put this OOC thread on hold until such a ruling is made.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

My ruling about Zach’s character was, admittedly, fairly vague. I made the incorrect assumption that because he was so injured and functional but not fully functional, he wouldn’t really be RPd anymore—probably replaced for a new Senatorial character. Obviously I was mistaken. However, my ruling was my ruling, and I can’t change that after the fact.

I also saw Zach’s injury post in Lend Me Your Ears when he posted it, and I didn’t say anything about that then. I didn’t really have a problem with it then and don’t really have a problem with it now. He’s not fully functional, he’s paralyzed, his hearing is shot, etc—all thanks to the headphones, which no one has yet to provide any proof of after the fact editing for.

Basically that’s everything I said his character would be in my ruling. He’s not doing anything wrong.

In fact, going by his last Lend Me Your Ears post, he went above and beyond what I said about his character. Not only did he acknowledge everything I said happened to his character, he also RPd physical pain when writing out a message when he could’ve easily just have been writing normally.

I could’ve said he was fully paralyzed, but instead I said he was confined to a wheelchair—admittedly, an exploited loophole. I probably assumed it would be full paralysis when I made that ruling, but I never said that. However, I can’t really change that now either, since I saw his last Lend Me Your Ears post when he posted it and didn’t say anything then since I didn't have a problem with it then.

That said, the one thing I’d ask you not to do in the future, Zach, is have your character writing out such long replies. I think it’s great that he’s in pain when he tries to write, but this:

There were two rumors I'd heard of you. One, that came from nurses and doctors some time ago about a skilled surgeon that left the medical field due to discovering that he was a Force Sensitive, to join the Jedi Order as a Padawan. The second, I heard from my head of security, Holden Cooper, through his connections within the Jedi Order. I've asked him int he past to keep me informed on anything new or interesting that happens within the Jedi that's accessible by the public. Mostly just changes in the command, members of the council, and background information on new members. He told me that a new Padawan had joined their ranks with previous history in the medical field.

This:

I'll cooperate completely with whatever you need. Show this pad to the nurse when she returns and she'll let the doctor know that you have full access to the medical records I've requested stay confidential, along with the brain scans that have already been taken and the x-rays and physical scans of my body so you can see what has been physically damaged and what has been affected in result of the injuries to my brain. If you decide to try to help me, you'll have all my resources available, including my security and the funds I'm receiving from the Republic.

And this:

If there's a chance of death, and I know there always is a chance when it comes to brain surgery, I'd rather you still performed the operation anyway. Prior to putting me under you'll receive a document in my own writing saying that you're acting with my full permission and cooperation so there's no chance of any bad repercussions happening to you. This is no way to live, without hearing, or speech, or even the use of my legs. I'd rather try and die than sit here idly.

Would take far too much physical effort on his part to write without being totally exhausted, based on how you’ve previously RPd the character and his injuries. Plus it’s not realistic for someone to take so much time to write so much down, so you should stick to short and simple written messages.

 

[Zach]

Ah, fair enough. I guess I got a little ahead of myself when I was typing 'dialogue' for the character. I'll be sure to limit his written communication from now on, and if nothing else, to describe the physical pain he feels from moving his hands that much. Furthermore, I'll be limiting his body movement to just barely being able to move his hands and being able to barely turn his head from this point on. Thanks for clearing that up, Bac.

If it would satisfy Santoro and Gambler, I could have Cole have his head of security do all his talking for him, where Cole only does a few written messages, and even then, very short, limited messages. More specifically, he'd almost be an NPC, and I'd be RPing his assistant until the surgeries were all done much later in the future (IC and OOC).

 

[Gambler]

Bac: Why are you the only one making rulings? Don't we have two or three Rp admins to do that? o.0

EDIT: To be fair, it would most likely be a member of his family speaking for him. It doesn't make sense, but I guess you could say that the earphones lucked out and overloaded or something, collapsing the bones inside his ear. That would mitigate the worst of the damage and leave at least a portion of the temporal lobes in tact. Then you could just say something about plasticity to finish it off for the rest of the believability.