MG-270 Heavy Machine Gun

[Loco]

Hi guys, qualified M2 gunner here, just putting in my 2 creds.

I don't think it would be impossible to hip fire an M2 for a few rounds, provided you're the size of and built like an ox, but it wiuld be monumentally impractical. What I would want to see though is someone racking a round in without it mounted. It takes two hands and my entire body weight thrown into it to load this bitch. If it's this heavy and unwieldy as a simple as can be earth weapon that's been more or less unchanged for around three quarters of a century, I can't imagine if you started adding additional systems and materials to it.

I can't speak towards the hard stat tech side of things, so you'll have to listen more to Frank and Grim on that end. I'm just here to give my perspective on the practicality.

 

[Clayton]

I was on my way back to work, so I wasn't mad just pressed for time. Just want to see you make this better. It has potential, just need to think of it from a Star Wars perspective.

Yeah, when making tech, try to make it fit a SW setting. 40K tech doesn't really fit, and slugthrowers like this would not be the most commonly used weapon ever. It just wouldn't.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Okay, well you know blasters aren't my flavour, so what should I edit here?

 

[Grim]

At this point you have to decide, do you want lightweight or do you want to have it reliable? If you want lightweight you are going to be stuck with a blaster most likely since they can be made much much lighter. If you want reliable we can work something out that is some sort of magnetic weaponry.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Well I'm clearly going for reliable here, but even current conventional firearms (such as the Browning AN/M3) that meet these lightweight specifications. I already have a magnetic firing mechanism (as is always my flavour), so I've got that covered.

 

[Grim]

The problem is Magnets are heavy, so you can not compare it to a AN/M2/3. They also put lots of forces on the materials so you are going to have to reinforce the whole casing; then power the thing. So you have to worry about some sort of battery or power supply that means even more weight. If you go with magnetics you are looking at a heavyweight for the whole kit. If you want lightweight you will have to go with Chemical energy and that means less damage against the materials in the SW universe but you could get a lightweight weapon that used Caseless ammo.

EDIT- most of the grammar so it should make more sense now.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Okay, perhaps an external power supply? Maybe a battery pack that clips to the operator's belt and feeds energy to the weapon via a cable? It seems like it could go much further to improve power output, since packs like those use to power freaking lightsabers

 

[Grim]

That wouldn't work because once you get a plasma beam up, in the case of the lightsaber this is what passes through the lightsaber crystal, it uses something like 10x less energy to maintain then it did to start it up. So those little packs wouldn't work since this type of weapon would always need peak power each and every time it fires, you would need something the size of a car battery to keep this thing firing for a full belt of ammo.

 

[Commissar Brett]

I'm thinking we spread the volume out into a flatter surface, like maybe something mounted in the back of a backpack (like a trooper would normally carry). So, like 9 inches across by about 13 inches tall by like 2 and a half inches deep?

 

[Grim]

if it were me, I would attach it to the side of gun, just opposite of the ammo tin. I wouldn't want to be the guy running around with a battery on my back. Besides you will probably have to switch it out as well so putting it on the back means that much more downtime.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Okay, I'll figure something out. Thank you for your help Grim.

 

[Andrewza]

I see you left out the fact that after 3000 odd rounds the barrel becomes useless. That is if you have good fire displin. Use this like they do in the moves or games and the barrel life drops real fast.

All so why the high penetration vs dura steel. The muzzle velocity is not supper high. I mean for a rail gun its a joke. I under stand you want basically a 50cal. So in stead of a carbon copy why not look what made the Browning 50cal what it is and recreation that.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Firstly, it's not a rail gun. Secondly, the muzzle velocity is higher than that of the M2 Browning, and that can completely perforate 0.9 inches of hardened steel at range (the range I gave to describe my penetration, hence the higher penetration with increased muzzle velocity). Lastly, I did address the overheating issue, hence the Quick-Change Barrel feature.

 

[Bee]

What's the difference between a "magnetic displacement weapon" and a railgun, then?

e: and if its a coilgun, why not just call it that instead?

 

[Andrewza]

Firstly, it's not a rail gun. Secondly, the muzzle velocity is higher than that of the M2 Browning, and that can completely perforate 0.9 inches of hardened steel at range (the range I gave to describe my penetration, hence the higher penetration with increased muzzle velocity). Lastly, I did address the overheating issue, hence the Quick-Change Barrel feature.

A MDG then. Either way it low.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...vy-machine-gun&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159
Your velocity is lower than the real 12.7mm.

Dura steel is not steel. It a advanced armour able to withstand crazy level of punishment.

 

[Commissar Brett]

Magnetic displacement, instead of carrying the round along a magnetic track, pushes it away from a synthetic (and discarded) magnetic cartridge at great speed. It's neither a coil gun, gauss weapon, or rail gun. It is just... Different. I've never had this much trouble trying to submit a gun before and I don't understand why this is becoming so difficult.

My apologies for the muzzle velocity in this case, as my source must've been a bad one (Wikipedia is normally better than this, being as accurate as the Encyclopaedia Brittanica).

I'm sorry for any miscommunication. I have a very busy day tomorrow and I will try to edit as soon as I can. Thank you for your feedback.

Also, what's an MDG?

 

[Andrewza]

Magnetic displacement gun. MDG.

 

[Outlander]

That...wouldn't work. On several levels.

1. To reach any significant velocity, you would need an incredibly powerful magnet as well as a bullet of the opposite polarity, inside a metal barrel. This means the bullet probably wouldn't even get out of the gun.

2. That would be incredibly wasteful. You are literally dropping hundreds of magnets as you fire. And the magnets you're talking about aren't cheap. Not to mention the magnetic bullets youd need.

3. And finally, magnets like this aren't natural. Theyd be electromagnets. And then you'd both be even more wasteful and have the possibility of jamming and misfires since they're now liable to fail.

This just doesn't seen practical.

 

[Galavant]

I've never had this much trouble trying to submit a gun before and I don't understand why this is becoming so difficult.

Generally speaking things which don't fit in as well with the Star Wars setting will come under a greater level of scrutiny has been a trend that's been growing for a while now.

 

[Andrewza]

Yep. I mean the heavy reapting blaster is all ready fulfilling the role of the 12.7mm Browning.


All so I would not give penetration by how many millimetres it can get through. It means nothing to most of us. Better to just say it effective vs light armour on AFVs and when useing AP it is highly efetive.