The Grey Jedi Order - Interest Check

[Namira Heart]

Here is the word on jedi. In this timeline there are two codes and both are widly taught and accepted and one isn't anti emotion just when angry do control yourself.

 

[Sakie]

Maybe you should look up some information about the Jedi Order before trying to make a splinter group of them?

it was just an idea, i wanted to see what the general reaction would be. I'm sorry i wasn't aware of swrp's vast differenc to the 0 BBy version. obviously i figured they would have differences i just didn't know they would be so significant.

the jedi code exists at this time period though, right? isn't that pointing in the direction of lack of emotion = good thing (I'm not trying to argue, it seems ur getting a little defensive, I'm just trying to understand)?

 

[Namira Heart]

it was just an idea, i wanted to see what the general reaction would be. I'm sorry i wasn't aware of swrp's vast differenc to the 0 BBy version. obviously i figured they would have differences i just didn't know they would be so significant.

the jedi code exists at this time period though, right? isn't that pointing in the direction of lack of emotion = good thing (I'm not trying to argue, it seems ur getting a little defensive, I'm just trying to understand)?

If you read the first section of the jedi order post linked in my last message the code is the first thing addressed

 

[Outlander]

it was just an idea, i wanted to see what the general reaction would be. I'm sorry i wasn't aware of swrp's vast differenc to the 0 BBy version. obviously i figured they would have differences i just didn't know they would be so significant.

the jedi code exists at this time period though, right? isn't that pointing in the direction of lack of emotion = good thing (I'm not trying to argue, it seems ur getting a little defensive, I'm just trying to understand)?

I just think it's kind of silly that you decided to make an offshoot of a faction before reading about that faction. If you want to know more about them, ask one of the people I tagged earlier, or read up on them in the Jedi Order section of the forum.

Edit: @Namira Heart has the right link. :prudence:

 

[Sakie]

I just think it's kind of silly that you decided to make an offshoot of a faction before reading about that faction. If you want to know more about them, ask one of the people I tagged earlier, or read up on them in the Jedi Order section of the forum.

like i already said, i wasn't planning on making it without doing my research (i was going to do that after i did this); i was just doing an interest check first to see if there was any point of doing that research in the first place.

 

[Outlander]

like i already said, i wasn't planning on making it without doing my research; i was just doing an interest check first to see if there was any point of doing that research in the first place.

*Shrug*

 

[Grouchy224]

The way I see is, and the way Lucasfilm sees it, is that the Grey Jedi don't make sense. You can't use both sides of the force with impunity, you can't go against the tenants of the Jedi Order and still be a Jedi. This shouldn't be much of a discussion lol.

 

[Namira Heart]

The way I see is, and the way Lucasfilm sees it, is that the Grey Jedi don't make sense. You can't use both sides of the force with impunity, you can't go against the tenants of the Jedi Order and still be a Jedi. This shouldn't be much of a discussion lol.

only thing is is with how early we are in the timeline the way of the jedi is fleshed out a bit differently because they are not necessarily at their final perfection bit yet.

 

[Sakie]

The way I see is, and the way Lucasfilm sees it, is that the Grey Jedi don't make sense. You can't use both sides of the force with impunity, you can't go against the tenants of the Jedi Order and still be a Jedi. This shouldn't be much of a discussion lol.

lol but this is the Disney canon... *insert prudence face here*

 

[Outlander]

lol but this is the Disney canon... *insert prudence face here*

Lucasfilm still runs the canon.

 

[Grouchy224]

 

[Namira Heart]

Funny thing is, those vegetarians exist but its usually just fish. Which oh i don't eat meat or animals for whatever reason but i will nom down every ocean creature. And I think the grey jedi thing is a perception issue mostly. Mostly because they want to call them grey jedi when trying to say good force user with immense training but I still will hate/cry/other emotions. Its a sith but with good morals and a heart lol :)

 

[Sakie]

Lucasfilm still runs the canon.

bruhhh ik twas' a joke my freind

 

[Undine]

I just want to point out that being "grey" doesn't mean neutral, nor does it mean a person uses both sides of the Force, hell, it doesn't even mean grey when talking about the light or the dark. It's about philosophy, and how one approaches the Force as a concept, not what abilities a person uses. Besides, if someone did make an indie faction with a different philosophy on the Force then the Jedi or Sith there's no reason they would have to justify their existence. Someone mentions the term "grey jedi" and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of "explain this or explain that." The NIghtsisters, the Zeison Sha, the Aing-Tii Monks, the Jal Shey, and another dozen other groups, canon or not, if someone wanted to start up an indie faction based on them or simply create a new group such as I did last timeline, all they need to do is get it approved by the admins. It'd be an entirely different conversation if Jacob had mentioned any of the groups I listed.​

 

[Smasherfan88]

I agree with the statement from Undine, that and with what the sequel trilogy is suggesting, while not confirmed, just suggesting, that there is a gray philosophy to the force (maybe even a middle ground in the force, but I'm doubting that as of now).

 

[Undine]

Personally, I prefer the idea that despite their differences, both the Jedi and the Sith are inherently and intrinsically dependent on the Force for survival. The age old question still rings true: For what is a Jedi without the Force? The Jedi rely so heavily on the Force, and arguably the sith more so, that should they be stripped of it, what then? Most people just want to see the Jedi as good guys and the Sith as the bad guys, but understanding them is far more complicated.

There are two main issues with running a Force organization with a more so called "grey" philosophy, first and foremost very few people are gonna want to see you do so, because no one really wants to read up on philosophical ideologies and spiritual teachings in order to understand the abstract concepts involved, seriously it's a lot of work and I can't really blame people for not wanting to if it isn't something they're already interested in. On the other hand, finding enough people that actually have gone through the effort and come through the other end of it with the same or even similar understandings as you did to where you could start up such a faction, doubtful at best. Even then, once you did you'd run into a new issue entirely, how do you enforce an ideology within an RP if the people your RPing with don't understand it to begin with?​

 

[Outlander]

I just want to point out that being "grey" doesn't mean neutral, nor does it mean a person uses both sides of the Force, hell, it doesn't even mean grey when talking about the light or the dark. It's about philosophy, and how one approaches the Force as a concept, not what abilities a person uses. Besides, if someone did make an indie faction with a different philosophy on the Force then the Jedi or Sith there's no reason they would have to justify their existence. Someone mentions the term "grey jedi" and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of "explain this or explain that." The NIghtsisters, the Zeison Sha, the Aing-Tii Monks, the Jal Shey, and another dozen other groups, canon or not, if someone wanted to start up an indie faction based on them or simply create a new group such as I did last timeline, all they need to do is get it approved by the admins. It'd be an entirely different conversation if Jacob had mentioned any of the groups I listed.​

I think all Indie factions need to justify their existence. Thats just my philosophy behind Indie factions, but I think that a faction that can't justify its existence shouldn't be a faction.

My issue with this particular concepts isnt that they're a sort of grey group, or any kind of anti-grey bandwagon, but its that they're portrayed as a sort of group of people who don't agree with the Jedi while having no philosophical differences between those two groups. If they had different views and beliefs, or seemed to have any legitimate reason for not being part of the Jedi, then great, you can build on that. But at the moment, I can't see anything like that here, at least until @Jacob Eden does some futher research into the Jedi Order to sort some of that out, which is an issue in itself that the group is being concepted before we even know if it'll make sense with the current Order.

Like I said before, my opinion is just that this either shouldnt exist, or it should look for a specific hook beyond the whole "Grey Force" thing. Just being a group of nonconformists isn't enough to draw a stable player base, and nothing kills indies quicker than disinterest.

 

[Fyremage]

So... what's the point?

No offense intended, but I honestly don't see why this has a reason to exist. If you'll just be using the same powers for largely similar things, then why not just stay with the Jedi-Boiz? The Jedi hunt down Sith and other bad guys, and the Republic no longer exists to offer bounties. You could probably get some missions from resistance groups like Galaf, or a black ops group like Guardian (@Fyremage), but if that's all you're really doing then you might as well be independent mercenaries or faction members.

Basically, I think you should stick with the Jedi. The two groups are almost entirely identical. If you want to keep going with the idea, you'll need to give it a new draw. The group i'd point to for inspiration are the Paladins of Mortis (@Oncaro), as they are a light side oriented force sect with an interesting draw and feel to it that separate it from the Jedi Order. Just being 'Diet-Jedi' won't cut it.

Ftfy. :P

 

[Valen Pelora]

One day, we might go a week without having to rehash this discussion (just kidding). The relevant points have mostly been covered above but I'd just like to bullet point a couple of things for future reference. This also serves as a good guide to the factions official stance on the topic. For a good reference on the current state of the Jedi click here and here.

• This is not the Jedi Order of the prequel or the Clones War era. Even that version of the Jedi Order is not as strict and ridged as people seem to believe.
• The Jedi Order does not require strict unwavering adherence to the Code. There are some who follow the Code to the letter and others who do not.
• The Jedi Order does not prohibit, forbid, or discourage emotion, personal relationships, children, or marriage. There is a difference between allowing emotion and the "path" to the Darkside. Emotions do not equal Darkside. Killing while angry, upset, or filled with hate is obviously deeply frowned upon.
• There are many types of Jedi in the current Order. Some follow the Code strictly, some are emotional, some are against the war, some want to remove every Sith from the galaxy. There is really only one hard and fast rule, use of the Darkside is strictly prohibited. There is a difference between wading into a moral grey area and falling to the Darkside.
• Finally, there are plenty of morally grey Jedi because of the war and the position the Order has been put in. You will find many of them serving in the Jedi Army. Now, the Order as a whole still frowns on needless death, cold blooded murder is mostly a big no no, but the realities of war are not ignored.

Please feel free to message me with any questions or concerns. As cliche as it sounds, the current Order is a melting pot of ideals and personalities.