War on Tython: Locked Within OOC

[Wit]

@Versok had a few questions regarding your post. In your previous post you mention Kano slowly moving down the corridor while explicitly stating that you were doing nothing against the Jedi. This is in the same posting round when Xornoth makes his lightning attack, so when that attack happens you were locked in as moving down the corridor and not attacking the Jedi. So I think your attack on Leto in this round is actually going back on that post and retconing what you were doing when Xornoth attacked. I believe if you had wanted to make the attack on Leto the moment he peeked out of the corner then you should have mentioned it in your previous post, now you are basically making two posts for the same period of time. Your timing is further off because you state in this post that you saw Leto duck behind the corner once more and used that moment to make your attack, but Xor had already brought up Leto ducking from the blaster bolts in the previous round so you are again talking about things from a round back.

Also, and @Loco can probably confirm this, but carbines create no sparks when they fire, so even if you could make the attack you would not have that spark to fuel the flame, and I don't think the barrel would be hot enough to use as fuel either.

 

[Xorism]

@Wit can you confirm how many times you've shot

 

[Wit]

@Wit can you confirm how many times you've shot

10 total, with the carbine having a 20 shot ammo capacity.

 

[Versok]

@Versok had a few questions regarding your post. In your previous post you mention Kano slowly moving down the corridor while explicitly stating that you were doing nothing against the Jedi. This is in the same posting round when Xornoth makes his lightning attack, so when that attack happens you were locked in as moving down the corridor and not attacking the Jedi. So I think your attack on Leto in this round is actually going back on that post and retconing what you were doing when Xornoth attacked. I believe if you had wanted to make the attack on Leto the moment he peeked out of the corner then you should have mentioned it in your previous post, now you are basically making two posts for the same period of time. Your timing is further off because you state in this post that you saw Leto duck behind the corner once more and used that moment to make your attack, but Xor had already brought up Leto ducking from the blaster bolts in the previous round so you are again talking about things from a round back.

Also, and @Loco can probably confirm this, but carbines create no sparks when they fire, so even if you could make the attack you would not have that spark to fuel the flame, and I don't think the barrel would be hot enough to use as fuel either.

Yeah, I guess you are right about the timing, I will edit it so it isn't an inmediate response and will start doing it after the second shot or so instead of the first one, which.

However, I didn't mean the spark thing literally, that was a metaphor, Kano is using the heat of one of your blaster shots to create the flame, because, you know, it's hot plasma and all of that, use the heat to make it easier to create the flames

 

[Wit]

Yeah, I guess you are right about the timing, I will edit it so it isn't an inmediate response and will start doing it after the second shot or so instead of the first one, which.

However, I didn't mean the spark thing literally, that was a metaphor, Kano is using the heat of one of your blaster shots to create the flame, because, you know, it's hot plasma and all of that, use the heat to make it easier to create the flames

I mean that still kinda overlaps with the previous post. Its a semi automatic weapon, the carbine that Leto is using, so he pressed down on the trigger and it fires off is what I understand. So my understanding of the timing is that Kano is locked in till after Xornoth does his initial lightning and holstering, and Fenn sending back a TK attack and Leto firing happens at the same time.

As for the plasma, I guess that's doable. Just remember it will probably take a lot of focus because the shots fly out of the barrel so fast that there will be split second instances when the plasma is close to Leto when it flies out of the barrel and Kano will have to Target those precise moments.

 

[Wit]

@Versok just to make sure. By second shot did you mean the second shot on Xornoth or when Leto starts shooting at Kano? The latter would make sense, so just wanted to confirm.

 

[Versok]

I mean that still kinda overlaps with the previous post. Its a semi automatic weapon, the carbine that Leto is using, so he pressed down on the trigger and it fires off is what I understand. So my understanding of the timing is that Kano is locked in till after Xornoth does his initial lightning and holstering, and Fenn sending back a TK attack and Leto firing happens at the same time.

As for the plasma, I guess that's doable. Just remember it will probably take a lot of focus because the shots fly out of the barrel so fast that there will be split second instances when the plasma is close to Leto when it flies out of the barrel and Kano will have to Target those precise moments.

Nope, I meant the shots directed towards Xornoth, semi-automatic fires means you have to pull the trigger each time you want to shot, kind of like a pistol, the thing you are talking about is automatic fire, and since Xornoth's lightning burst is supposed to be half a second long, at least two of those four shots must happen after the lightning. So, instead of Kano doing this during the lightning bit, which is where the issue is, it will happen just after it, if I am explaining myself correctly

I am aware of the difficulty of timing the flames with the blaster, I plan to edit it too to make it a bit more doable

 

[Loco]

Can you give us a heads up as soon as those edits are complete @Versok? We're getting into a real crunch time over here.

 

[Xorism]

@Wit @Versok @Loco

Kano's previous post specifically states that he would advance once Fennex's hold on him broke and that he would move forward to create distance between the Sith to try and give themselves more time to react if the Jedi tried to do the same thing again (note this as this is exactly what happened.)

Leto during this time was ducking back into cover so Kano ignores him and Fennex to advance however wouldn't Leto re-joining the fight by immediately returning into FOV give Kano the opportunity to intervene. Kano couldn't attack Leto as the Human was ducking out because his previous post ruled that out but by re-emerging, Leto has by default created an opportunity that did not exist when Kano wrote his previous post and therefore it is acceptable for him to switch from moving to attacking.

Leto, after all, has gone from running at first shot (to avoid damage) to ducking in and out to take additional shots immediately taking advantage of the momentary lapse in blaster fire which may be in character for him but re-emerging changes the timing of events and creates interception opportunities.

 

[Wit]

Nope, I meant the shots directed towards Xornoth, semi-automatic fires means you have to pull the trigger each time you want to shot, kind of like a pistol, the thing you are talking about is automatic fire, and since Xornoth's lightning burst is supposed to be half a second long, at least two of those four shots must happen after the lightning. So, instead of Kano doing this during the lightning bit, which is where the issue is, it will happen just after it, if I am explaining myself correctly

I am aware of the difficulty of timing the flames with the blaster, I plan to edit it too to make it a bit more doable

I still disagree, even if semi automatic is as you described (and you're right on that one, my bad I think I mixed things up). I still think you are locked in till Leto starts firing at Kano because Xor's post already locked in my post stating that Leto's shots land at the same time as he is doing the holstering. And as you were locked in with your previous post till he does the holstering you can only attack after all of Leto's shots on Xornoth land.

 

[Wit]

@Wit @Versok @Loco

Kano's previous post specifically states that he would advance once Fennex's hold on him broke and that he would move forward to create distance between the Sith to try and give themselves more time to react if the Jedi tried to do the same thing again (note this as this is exactly what happened.)

Leto during this time was ducking back into cover so Kano ignores him and Fennex to advance however wouldn't Leto re-joining the fight by immediately returning into FOV give Kano the opportunity to intervene. Kano couldn't attack Leto as the Human was ducking out because his previous post ruled that out but by re-emerging, Leto has by default created an opportunity that did not exist when Kano wrote his previous post and therefore it is acceptable for him to switch from moving to attacking.

Leto, after all, has gone from running at first shot (to avoid damage) to ducking in and out to take additional shots immediately taking advantage of the momentary lapse in blaster fire which may be in character for him but re-emerging changes the timing of events and creates interception opportunities.

There is a shared time between your last post and Versok's. You were doing the lightning attack and he was stalking forward in the same period of time. That is locked in. Leto ducking back out to attack is my response to that round of posts. Now if you go back and state that Kano wasn't just walking forward when Xornoth was firing lightning then you are changing things already locked in. That is my issue.

 

[Loco]

@Wit @Versok @Loco

Kano's previous post specifically states that he would advance once Fennex's hold on him broke and that he would move forward to create distance between the Sith to try and give themselves more time to react if the Jedi tried to do the same thing again (note this as this is exactly what happened.)

Leto during this time was ducking back into cover so Kano ignores him and Fennex to advance however wouldn't Leto re-joining the fight by immediately returning into FOV give Kano the opportunity to intervene. Kano couldn't attack Leto as the Human was ducking out because his previous post ruled that out but by re-emerging, Leto has by default created an opportunity that did not exist when Kano wrote his previous post and therefore it is acceptable for him to switch from moving to attacking.

Leto, after all, has gone from running at first shot (to avoid damage) to ducking in and out to take additional shots immediately taking advantage of the momentary lapse in blaster fire which may be in character for him but re-emerging changes the timing of events and creates interception opportunities.

I believe the issue is because of Kano's post in the previous round:

Would Fennex stop his hold on him, be it because he had other things to focus on or because he got roasted by Xornoth's lightning, the Kaleesh would advance alongside his partner, going a bit slower in order to have one meter of distance between them and allow themselves to have more reaction time if they ever tried something similar. He wouldn't have done anything against the jedi yet, but he was now closer to them, soon he would have them in melee range, soon he would be on his element and have some real fun.

His intended actions take place alongside yours and specify that he doesn't do anything to the Jedi while he moves so that he can be prepared to defend. We did nothing to change that, so he's locked into it. The way I read it, the first real chance Kano would get to actually change his actions due to new stimuli would be when Leto shoots at him.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Wit, who was a little more concise.

 

[Versok]

I believe the issue is because of Kano's post in the previous round:



His intended actions take place alongside yours and specify that he doesn't do anything to the Jedi while he moves so that he can be prepared to defend. We did nothing to change that, so he's locked into it. The way I read it, the first real chance Kano would get to actually change his actions due to new stimuli would be when Leto shoots at him.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Wit, who was a little more concise.

Yeah, I understand that I can't have Kano flaming while Xornoth is doing his lightning attack and you guys are reacting to it, where lies the problem in my opinion is that Leto's four shot can't all be done within the half second of lightning that Xornoth does, he would be able to shot once or twice at most with a semi-automatic weapon in that short span of time, and that's being generous, Kano's actions in the post prior to this end basically when Fennex stops pulling at him, which would be the moment he blocks the lightning and redirects it as a TK attack, meaning from that time forwards it would stop overlapping, the holstering should be no problem too because it started when Xornoth was doing his lightning and also because he dropped it the moment he saw Fennex's attack coming at him.

 

[Versok]

Also, may I add that:

Would Fennex stop his hold on him, be it because he had other things to focus on or because he got roasted by Xornoth's lightning, the Kaleesh would advance alongside his partner, going a bit slower in order to have one meter of distance between them and allow themselves to have more reaction time if they ever tried something similar.
@Xorism @Loco @Wit

"the Kaleesh would advance alongside his partner" The key word being "alongside" If Xornoth isn't moving forward, he ain't, and therefore, he isn't losing time doing that

 

[Wit]

Yeah, I understand that I can't have Kano flaming while Xornoth is doing his lightning attack and you guys are reacting to it, where lies the problem in my opinion is that Leto's four shot can't all be done within the half second of lightning that Xornoth does, he would be able to shot once or twice at most with a semi-automatic weapon in that short span of time, and that's being generous, Kano's actions in the post prior to this end basically when Fennex stops pulling at him, which would be the moment he blocks the lightning and redirects it as a TK attack, meaning from that time forwards it would stop overlapping, the holstering should be no problem too because it started when Xornoth was doing his lightning and also because he dropped it the moment he saw Fennex's attack coming at him.

The first paragraph of your post ends when Fennex stops pulling, but you still have Kano walking forward when Xornoth is doing the whole lightnight stuff. So you're locked in till Xornoth does the register business. And It was already locked in that Leto's shots reach Xornoth as he's reholsteting so he you're locked in till after all those shots.

 

[Xorism]

@Wit @Loco @Versok

The fact that Leto comes out again is new stimuli - yes Versok's post does state that he wouldn't have done anything yet but at the same time he wrote that his intent was to move forward with Xornoth to the end of the corridor specifically stating that distance was to create reaction time if the Jedi tried something similar - which you two did replicate by one doing a TK, the other shooting.

So I don't see a problem with that post as he clearly outlines that he wanted to advance without attacking but the introduction of Fennex firing a TK back at Xornoth + Leto returning to fire is a new interception moment for Kano to now attack.

 

[Loco]

Yeah, I understand that I can't have Kano flaming while Xornoth is doing his lightning attack and you guys are reacting to it, where lies the problem in my opinion is that Leto's four shot can't all be done within the half second of lightning that Xornoth does, he would be able to shot once or twice at most with a semi-automatic weapon in that short span of time, and that's being generous, Kano's actions in the post prior to this end basically when Fennex stops pulling at him, which would be the moment he blocks the lightning and redirects it as a TK attack, meaning from that time forwards it would stop overlapping, the holstering should be no problem too because it started when Xornoth was doing his lightning and also because he dropped it the moment he saw Fennex's attack coming at him.

Several shots a second isn't crazy fast for semi autos, but you're correct that four shots would definitely be too much for half a second. That said, Kano's attack certainly wouldn't be instantaneous either. Once he recognizes the opportunity after the lightning, he'd still have to actually perform his precision heating enough to create flames from nearly 30m away. That seems like it would allow for more than enough time to get off the remaining shots.

 

[Wit]

@Wit @Loco @Versok

The fact that Leto comes out again is new stimuli - yes Versok's post does state that he wouldn't have done anything yet but at the same time he wrote that his intent was to move forward with Xornoth to the end of the corridor specifically stating that distance was to create reaction time if the Jedi tried something similar - which you two did replicate by one doing a TK, the other shooting.

So I don't see a problem with that post as he clearly outlines that he wanted to advance without attacking but the introduction of Fennex firing a TK back at Xornoth + Leto returning to fire is a new interception moment for Kano to now attack.

It's a new stimulus for this round. I am not going back and changing what I did in the last round. If you had posted "Kano stalks forward but if the Jedi gives an opportunity to attack he would attack" then yes you could have attacked the moment Leto peeped out. But the post states he is simply stalking forward and my post is in response to that round.

Going by your logic I could post that Kano switching his focus to Leto is new stimulus and Leto instead starts firing at him straight away. But my actions for that round are locked in to attacking you so I can't go back and change what I did. We would end up going in circles.

 

[Versok]

Several shots a second isn't crazy fast for semi autos, but you're correct that four shots would definitely be too much for half a second. That said, Kano's attack certainly wouldn't be instantaneous either. Once he recognizes the opportunity after the lightning, he'd still have to actually perform his precision heating enough to create flames from nearly 30m away. That seems like it would allow for more than enough time to get off the remaining shots.

Yeah, you are right about that, pyrokinesis is far too complicated and concrete for such a small amount of time, if it were a simpler force attack, like a pull or a grip before the fourth shoot, it would be more realistic and more adequate to the time Kano has to act, right?

 

[Loco]

Yeah, you are right about that, pyrokinesis is far too complicated and concrete for such a small amount of time, if it were a simpler force attack, like a pull or a grip before the fourth shoot, it would be more realistic and more adequate to the time Kano has to act, right?

It's more about the precision, but yes. Gross vs fine motor skills, or Force Manipulation in this case. We're not really worried about the difficulty or speed of your attack though- the pyro is fine. It's the timing of when you're able to attack at all that's in question.