What is a Christian?

[Niner]

Lots of Catholics wouldn't consider Protestants to be Christian, so it's no big deal.

Ummmm, no.....

Catholics are the ORIGINAL Christians....

Up until Luther came along if you said Christian you are talking about Catholics.

 

[Sovereign]

Ummmm, no.....

Catholics are the ORIGINAL Christians....

Up until Luther came along if you said Christian you are talking about Catholics.

Not exactly.

So I wouldn't call Catholicism the ORIGINAl christian church. They were others before.

 

[Ols]

What that quote refers to is that no other church or religious organization offers salvation other then the Catholic Church. Essentially there is only one true Church. If you belong to another you won't be saved through it, but you can still be saved through the Catholic Church.

Actually, if you're going to be specific, the quote in your sig refers to a church. The original quote has a capitilised 'e' and refers to the Church. Also, considering that the Eastern Orthodox church (amongst others) upholds that quote, I don't think it refers only to Roman Catholicism.

(For reference Niner's sig said:

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Whereas the original quote is:

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

;) )

And if a person is saved when they accept Christ after they die never having been a part of 'the church' then it's not the church that's saving them, it's Jesus himself. So yeah, that's why I find it hypocritical.

 

[Niner]

Not exactly.

So I wouldn't call Catholicism the ORIGINAl christian church. They were others before.

No....see look at it this way...Peter right? The apostle of Jesus. He was the first Pope of what today is the Catholic Church. And seeing as how there weren't Catholics before Jesus...well....you can see that for yourself. That grey line should be Red to symbolize the Roman Catholics.

 

[Random Hero]

It is really pointless to argue about religion because every religious sect sees there way as the best way period and if they are devout there is no changing.

 

[Sovereign]

No....see look at it this way...Peter right? The apostle of Jesus. He was the first Pope of what today is the Catholic Church. And seeing as how there weren't Catholics before Jesus...well....you can see that for yourself. That grey line should be Red to symbolize the Roman Catholics.

Yeah, but what about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches? They also recognize that the Pope is Peter's successor.

Frankly, some of differences are more geopolitical than anything else.

 

[Niner]

Yeah, but what about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches? They also recognize that the Pope is Peter's successor.

Frankly, some of differences are more geopolitical than anything else.

The Orthodox churches were part of the Roman Catholic Church at one point. They then split during the Great Schism....They are almost the same but not exactly, for example they follow a Patriarch not the Pope and their priests can marry. There are more differences but those are two very important ones.

 

[Ser Yorick]

No, those who have never heard of Christ will be saved as long as they have lived good lives...Also, when a person dies there soul is called by Jesus three times, they have those three times to answer him and be saved, if they do not answer then they are condemned to Hell.

Lol cite that from the bible.

 

[Niner]

Lol cite that from the bible.

It was a revalation to St. Faustina. It is in the Catholic Catechism.

 

[Ser Yorick]

It was a revalation to St. Faustina. It is in the Catholic Catechism.

So you can't cite it in the bible?

No....see look at it this way...Peter right? The apostle of Jesus. He was the first Pope of what today is the Catholic Church. And seeing as how there weren't Catholics before Jesus...well....you can see that for yourself. That grey line should be Red to symbolize the Roman Catholics.

No, the Catholics became Catholics later on. Read the bible. They were known as Christians way before the establishment of the Catholic Church, or the Pope.

 

[Niner]

So you can't cite it in the bible?

No, the Catholics became Catholics later on. Read the bible. They were known as Christians way before the establishment of the Catholic Church, or the Pope.

Peter was the first Pope and Jesus established the Catholic church. For the longest time Catholic and Christian meant the same thing. Only until other denominations branched off did Christian not mean only Catholic.

 

[Random Hero]

Peter was the first Pope and Jesus established the Catholic church. For the longest time Catholic and Christian meant the same thing. Only until other denominations branched off did Christian not mean only Catholic.

Catholism was Christianity until the reforms in Europe, then it was solely know as Catholic. That is where the phrase "You can be Catholic and a Christian but not a Christian and a Catholic" derived from.

 

[Ser Yorick]

Peter was the first Pope and Jesus established the Catholic church. For the longest time Catholic and Christian meant the same thing. Only until other denominations branched off did Christian not mean only Catholic.

That's not true, actually. Jesus did not establish the Catholic Church. It was after his death and his resurrection that the Catholic Church was established, and all these little positions were created, such as the Pope, cardinals, all that jazz. It was after he had been on this earth that any of that happened. Centuries, even. Catholicism did not hold power over any nation for centuries, and it was then that the full Catholic Church was established, with the divine right of kings, and so on.

And we all know the story of the corrupt earlier years of the Catholic Church...

 

[Green Ranger]

There's a major fundamental difference between Catholics and the other sects of christianity. The other sects will for the most part at least hear you out if you have something to say against their religion. Catholics stop their ears with corks or abuse you for having a modicum of common sense about you.

 

[Niner]

There's a major fundamental difference between Catholics and the other sects of christianity. The other sects will for the most part at least hear you out if you have something to say against their religion. Catholics stop their ears with corks or abuse you for having a modicum of common sense about you.

Right.....

I think you are talking about Atheists....

 

[Random Hero]

There's a major fundamental difference between Catholics and the other sects of christianity. The other sects will for the most part at least hear you out if you have something to say against their religion. Catholics stop their ears with corks or abuse you for having a modicum of common sense about you.

What are you basing that off of?

 

[Green Ranger]

Right.....

I think you are talking about Atheists....

Atheists do it too, but this is a thread about christians, so I didn't mention them.

What are you basing that off of?

Little thing called reality.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Peter was the first Pope and Jesus established the Catholic church. For the longest time Catholic and Christian meant the same thing. Only until other denominations branched off did Christian not mean only Catholic.

Right.....

I think you are talking about Atheists....

This is why we can't have nice things. :CStern:


Jesus was a guy who had a good ****ing idea. Don't be a twat, and try and be kind even if its undeserved, but no you ****ers have to go and make laws out of it, spend a few centuries killing each other off because the other person has the wrong idea about what jesus's ideas were and completely screw the pooch on the whole thing.

It doesn't matter who started the damn thing, no one should give any kind of damn about who started it, and no one who actually believes what jesus said should say "Hey you your going to hell cause your wrong" because its a ****ing jackass thing to say, and jesus was anti-jackassery. Can't you just say "Hey these are my ideas on it and hey these are your ideas on it, lets learn from each other to improve the world since none of us are actually god or have ever died and came back from the dead after a few days with knowledge of the other side and just try and make the best of things" and that be enough of it? But nooooo you have to worry about "Oh he's not a true christian! I've got to save his soul! blah ****idy blah blah" When all your doing is insulting other peoples ideas, beliefs, and things they hold sacred.

Share what you've got because you want them to know but don't try and make anyone believe. Live by example, people should be asking you whats different because your such a damn good guy, you shouldn't have to throw it in someone elses face and be all "holier than thou".

/rant

 

[Niner]

Sheo, youre hypocracy astounds me at times.

 

[Random Hero]

Little thing called reality.

Is there a credible source that other sects are more open to listening to Catholics? Or are you basing that notion off your own belief?

BTW though I was born Catholic, I do not practice. I am just curious is this is just a biased assumption or a proven fact.