Al-Shabaab attack on Garissa University

[TheSilentWind]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/africa/kenya-garissa-university-attack/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/w...ttack-on-garissa-university-college.html?_r=0

NOTE:Some of the links might have disgusting images, or videos.



Just like Westgate and in 1998, they were able to hit us again. This time, they attacked an educational institution.

Al-Shabaab is a threat to various countries, and it is Kenya's number one thread(externally)

Opinions?

 

[Flying Dutchman]

First, of course this event is tragic. All those people, especially the children, are traumatisee and scarred for life. They can never return to their normal lives. They will always remember this sad and tragic event.

But, on it's own, I believe Al-Shabaab is not even close to attack the western world. However, if they were to side with other terrorists such as IS, like Boko Haram did last month, they eill certainly pose a threat.

Just my (unpopular?) opinion, though.

 

[TheSilentWind]

I don't think your opinion isn't unpopular because it is true. Nevertheless, it still poses a threat to Somalia, and the countries that border it.

 

[VVVVVV]

Considering al-Shabaab controlled most of Somalia (save for the autonomous regions) at one point, you bet your ass it's a threat. In helping Somalia get rid of al-Shabaab, Kenya opened herself up to terrorists attacks from the group. If only this stuff was easier to target and stop.

 

[TheSilentWind]

That is why they should remove troops in Somalia. Their is already an AU Mission there. In Kenya, their is so much corruption and rivalry between security forces, and intelligence agencies, the government should focus on getting rid of that, or at least doing whatever they can at combating it. Tanzania have not deployed troops to Somalia, they have trained the military of Somalia, I often wonder why Kenya can't do the same thing.

 

[VVVVVV]

I'm pretty sure Kenya is there on behalf of the African Union mission.

 

[TheSilentWind]

They joined the AU Mission months after they had began Operation Linda Nachi so they didn't deploy to join the AU Mission.

 

[BLADE]

Considering al-Shabaab controlled most of Somalia (save for the autonomous regions) at one point, you bet your ass it's a threat. In helping Somalia get rid of al-Shabaab, Kenya opened herself up to terrorists attacks from the group. If only this stuff was easier to target and stop.

I agree.

 

[Shiuzu]

I agree.

Indeed.

 

[BLADE]

I also think, Graham, that was was a solidly crafted point regarding the ICU's gestation --videlicet in the crucible of atavistic religion and Western (and Kenyan/Eritrean/Ethiopian) Imperialism.

So yeah. I agree.

 

[TheSilentWind]

I'm not stating I don't agree with what VVVV is stating. I am well aware it is a threat, as it has damaged the country's important tourism industry. Nevertheless, I don't see why removing troops in Somalia is an issue, as Tanzania have been training 1000 Somalian troops, and therefore have been contributing to the effort of removing Al-Shaabab without maintain a security presence there. I don't see why Kenya can't do the same thing.

 

[Shiuzu]

I also think, Graham, that was was a solidly crafted point regarding the ICU's gestation --videlicet in the crucible of atavistic religion and Western (and Kenyan/Eritrean/Ethiopian) Imperialism.

So yeah. I agree.

Mmm.

 

[BLADE]

Mmm.

I hear Subcommander Vaako (he's with some of the recalcitrant ICU groups) has been militating against Kenyan proxies. The Vietnamization of such a war would of course go against certain precepts of international conflict like uti possidetis, or in local parlance "you keep what you kill."

 

[VVVVVV]

I'm not stating I don't agree with what VVVV is stating.

You're missing two V's. It's VVVVVV.

You can call me... V-6.

 

[Shiuzu]

I hear Subcommander Vaako (he's with some of the recalcitrant ICU groups) has been militating against Kenyan proxies. The Vietnamization of such a war would of course go against certain precepts of international conflict like uti possidetis, or in local parlance "you keep what you kill."

While the "keep what you kill" policy works in what can only be described as a vacuum society, I don't feel as though you're looking at the global picture. Many people aren't ready for that form of legislature, while I don't believe it should be abandoned. It should be pushed further back on the docket alongside the "Eyeshine for Toddlers" campaign.

 

[TheSilentWind]

You're missing two V's. It's VVVVVV.

You can call me... V-6.

Apologies.

 

[BLADE]

I've seen pictures of Quintessa on satellite, and that's a very calculating position you're taking. Honestly, I think there's a lot of blowback for the Kenyans here, not counting what may or may not happen at the Threshold.

The ICU has brought peace of a sort not seen since the days of Naphelim the Navigator twixt the Horn, and I think there's a position to negotiate. We have with 'Mongers and Taliban, so why not here?

 

[Shiuzu]

Of course, it always comes back to the Taliban with you, what are we going to go back to the problematic tenants of President Zhylaw? Are we just going to throw everyone who disagrees with us into Butcher Bay? Never to be seen again? Honestly I thought more of you.

 

[BLADE]

President Zhylaw is a warlord amongst many competing polities. He's certainly no Yusuf Siad, and in any case, as we saw from the Aereon Affair, he can be bargained with. The question is whether the West can proceed with something like the Ascension Protocol and to what degree state formation can take place even in a kritarchy or necrarchy.

 

[Shiuzu]

I feel like we can never have a serious conversation without you bringing up the Aereon Affair. While we may have differing opinions on the various tenants of what qualifies one to ascend to the Underverse, I believe we can agree that Kryll was a man who could accomplish what we set out to do without compromising his morals.