Attack on Anoth: Training Rooms OOC

[The Classiest Hobo]

Just an unrelated note here, but at about the paragraph that starts "I'm going to have to explained what happened here. I had a post written out that went into detail on these two points, one that was a bit longer.", the formatting - goes a bit weird. Like, appearance-wise. Anybody besides me having this problem, too?

And Para, I've been seeing the same thing. I haven't removed anything from my OOC posts. It seems just some of what he's quoting shows up outside the actual quote box for me. I think Ush is right, that its something in the coding of his post. I can still follow it pretty well I think, though.

Anyways, back on topic.

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In my opinion, bringing this to OOC instead of PMs is really where it should have been. Issues like these? Need to be resolved in readily accessible areas. That way it doesn't turn into a "he-said-she-said" back-and-forth with nothing to go on but both sides throwing out quoted PMs and maybe screen-captures. And I agree that since Fyston brought these PMs into the open here to continue the discussion that he should have told you. Yet at the same time, that shouldn't have left you in the dark for as long as you went without replying. As a participant in the thread, its not a stretch for somebody to think that you'd be looking in the OOC routinely enough to at least see some of what we were talking about. He should have told you but using that as the reason why you never knew anything was going on is a bit - well, suffice to say you should have already had an eye on the OOC. Its as important a part of the thread as the IC thread, for things such as announcing whether or not you can post, or for addressing the concerns of your fellow players.

As for the assumed blow? That was part of the issue. There was no discernibly dedicated action to defending against the incoming blow. Saying you pushed at somebody isn't definitively defending against them. Its pushing them. You didn't even make the slightest reference towards his incoming saber strike, at all.

His experiences have made him a nasty person, not his upbringing. But at the same time, he's reached a place where he can't feel emotion. As such, the images he's attempting to send Hobo's character are just images. He can't get the feelings through. I'm sorry if I didn't clarify that, but Hobo seems to have assumed it.

I shall address this quote in the order of the segments highlighted.

1) Your experiences and your upbringing are no more separate than your red blood cells and your bloodstream. You don't have one without the other. Your upbringing is, simply put, composed of experiences chained together that we call life. That doesn't just stop being the case once you hit 18. So this really makes no sense to me.

2) You realize how that would change you, right? I can tell you right now that Ryloss wouldn't keep fighting if that were the case. You stop caring anymore at that point. Love? Your loved ones would scarcely recognize you anymore. Hate? You don't care enough to hate anything anymore. And your own survival? It requires more effort than you can give at that point. When a person reaches the point where they stop caring enough to feel emotion? They. Stop. Caring. Period. No exceptions, no special rules. When they truly stop like what you are trying to tell us Ryloss has done, I am not kidding you when I say people are willing to simply lay down and die at that point.

3) Well unless you've edited the IC post since I last read it, I'm assuming nothing. You directly stated in the post where you made the mental image attack against Nukri that they weren't going to have any real effect. So if you were concerned that you hadn't been ICly specific in that part, then no worries because that was one point where you were fairly clear. However the problem still rests with this: being telepathic is one thing. Being able to send images of that sort, or even to attempt to, is another. Look at Star Wars canon and you'll see that telepathy is nothing more than simple messages, often difficult to broadcast without close distance and possibly even eye contact (especially between two total strangers). Having a Zeltron character of my own, I can assure you I combed through and picked up any information I could, and they don't inherently have abilities akin to Fear and Insanity like what would be necessary to do the attack anyways.

In addition.

Ryloss was never raised among Zeltrons. He's been with the Jedi from the time he was two years old.

That doesn't matter. Its an instinctive thing. They are, by their very nature of existence, more receptive and sensitive to emotions. So it'd still have an effect, and likely much like if he'd been raised among his fellow Zeltrons considering he was raised by the Jedi: a group that shuns giving into your anger and baser emotions. So being raised from birth? He's essentially going against his very upbringing by doing this.

I'll accept full blame for mis-judging the power levels of Hobo's character, however. I'm sorry for that. I had been told that 16 and Ryloss were on similar power levels, which was apparently low-Knight, and for whatever reason I had assumed that the other two in the thread were well below Ryloss and 16 in power. Sorry. But at the same time, Ryloss has been practicing the Force since childhood. He's been at this for longer than Nukri's even been alive. Saying that they are on the same power level is completely inaccurate.

This is - horribly weak. They aren't "low-Knight" or anything of that level. The rules are simple: it doesn't matter what your background or history is, as a Padawan you are no more inherently powerful than any other Padawan or Acolyte. So it doesn't matter what you say his childhood was, they are still operating at the same level of power. Its even stated in site rules that until he's ICly trained by a proper master, he's restricted in power levels and powers available to him. Meaning he is no more or less powerful than Nukri. I could literally go on and on about this, but I'm not out of risk that I might slip up and go get foul-mouthed and angry about it at some point. Suffice to say, I'm simply going to move on to the next point.

As I said in PM's, you could have cut him off at any time. Otherwise it's godmodding. In fact, you already cut him off before, so I assumed you were fine with doing it again. I'm not criticizing you here, I'm just saying that that was how I relayed it. I will also keep in mind the stuff about fluff, I am obviously the most guilty of it.

You realize how hypocritical this is, correct? You cannot assume he cut you off, especially when in his post he very explicitly ICly stated that he did not. 16 actually waited for Ryloss to perform his jump before doing anything else. So in essence, you wrote as if his character had interrupted your's. You made his character act for him without his permission and changed the course of the battle in your favor as a result.

That is all there is to say about that.

But it hadn't happened a round or two before. It was an immediate response to 16 not being knocked away. If 16 didn't move, Ryloss won't move either. I really should not have put the second half of that post in there, but landing that hit does not, to me, seem to be a lawful move.

As we've covered multiple times now, that hit was an assumed success because of a lack of any definitive defense on your part. And as said, you posted him doing the action of jumping away. As we all know, the action is successful on the understanding that it isn't interrupted in a believable fashion. 16 did not do this meaning that the jump would have gone on. It wasn't until two rounds later at which point you redacted it.

• The pummels are extremely weak Force Pushes designed just to keep 16 distracted. They couldn't even knock his head back. Ryloss is not focusing on them. If 16 were to push against them, they would just irritate him, they won't deter him in any way. They're just a distraction for the droid.

And they still use energy, they would still detract from Ryloss's energy and stamina, and they would still require attention and purposeful action to execute. That means he's still multi-tasking at unbelievable levels.

I've already explained all this, and it wasn't from previous rounds, for the last time. Fyston never even said WHEN he was attacking Ryloss, so I was perfectly clear for saying it was when it was.

Yes, actually, he did. See the quote below. The second attack, the first being the hotly debated assumed success, and this being the attempted bisection follows.

His large legs bending, 16 summoned the Force and propelled himself upwards at a slightly slower speed. As he leapt, however, he, again, lashed out with his primary right lightsaber. The Sith wished to bisect the Jedi just as his back faced the Experiment.

And, the final point I'm going to address.

Being bisected is instant death, though. A human body can't stand that trauma, and I'd say a Zeltron one couldn't either. I don't want to lose a character I have put over two years into over something completely blockable.

First of all, its completely blockable now because of your self-interruptions and redactions.

And secondly. You don't want to lose two years of hard work on a character? Trust me, I know the pain.

The first website I ever joined was started by some friends. Our own little place to get together even after a few of them were moving away, so we could always keep in touch, chat with each other, and invite others to join us. We were young and stupid at the time. Four years of my life were put into that site, two of them as nothing more than a moderator. But RL, one of us decided that she wanted to - be "friendly" with some of the others. Caused a lot of heartbreak. A lot of bad fighting, that spilled onto the site as those sorts of things often do. I had just been made a co-admin at the time.

And do you want to know how long the site lasted after that point?

Six months.

It was already so far gone on a downward spiral by then that I was administering over nothing more than the death-throes of an injured dog in its final moments. There was nothing I could say or do without being seen as biased or playing favorites by one side or another. There are people I knew for years who I no longer have contact with because they cut me out after what happened on that waste of four years of my life. All of it down the drain.

I have no pity for that claim. I've let go of so many characters in table-top roleplaying, watched so many ideas of mine flounder and fail after months to years of hard work and devotion were put into them in hopes they'd suceed.

I'd rather that if Nukri were to die or fail that it be in a blaze of glory in such a way that I'd have fond memories of great RPing with that character. Rather than trying to twist and change around what I said earlier and rile up this sort of stuff just to try and get her to live through a fight when I'd been written into a corner.

 

[Ush]

Just an unrelated note here, but at about the paragraph that starts "I'm going to have to explained what happened here. I had a post written out that went into detail on these two points, one that was a bit longer.", the formatting - goes a bit weird. Like, appearance-wise. Anybody besides me having this problem, too?

And Para, I've been seeing the same thing. I haven't removed anything from my OOC posts. It seems just some of what he's quoting shows up outside the actual quote box for me. I think Ush is right, that its something in the coding of his post. I can still follow it pretty well I think, though.

Yeah, I think I may have deleted a character (as in, letter) somewhere, and that's where it messes up.

In my opinion, bringing this to OOC instead of PMs is really where it should have been. Issues like these? Need to be resolved in readily accessible areas. That way it doesn't turn into a "he-said-she-said" back-and-forth with nothing to go on but both sides throwing out quoted PMs and maybe screen-captures. And I agree that since Fyston brought these PMs into the open here to continue the discussion that he should have told you. Yet at the same time, that shouldn't have left you in the dark for as long as you went without replying. As a participant in the thread, its not a stretch for somebody to think that you'd be looking in the OOC routinely enough to at least see some of what we were talking about. He should have told you but using that as the reason why you never knew anything was going on is a bit - well, suffice to say you should have already had an eye on the OOC. Its as important a part of the thread as the IC thread, for things such as announcing whether or not you can post, or for addressing the concerns of your fellow players.

I brought it to PM's because I don't like people throwing their opinions at me when they aren't wanted. I also despise the idea of bringing mechanics into an RP, which, with a non-private discussion, will happen. I didn't check the OOC because I had lost all interest in this, and was waiting for a PM. A PM that never arrived.

As for the assumed blow? That was part of the issue. There was no discernibly dedicated action to defending against the incoming blow. Saying you pushed at somebody isn't definitively defending against them. Its pushing them. You didn't even make the slightest reference towards his incoming saber strike, at all.

The problem with this is that 16 makes a move, interrupting a set of moves, and then waits for another 'turn' before attacking and claiming a hit. I'm saying that if 16 doesn't move from the push, then Ryloss wouldn't have jumped and would have instead blocked.

I shall address this quote in the order of the segments highlighted.

1) Your experiences and your upbringing are no more separate than your red blood cells and your bloodstream. You don't have one without the other. Your upbringing is, simply put, composed of experiences chained together that we call life. That doesn't just stop being the case once you hit 18. So this really makes no sense to me.

I had always assumed and referred to it as stopping when you reach adulthood, and that's how I've been referring to it. What I'm saying is is that events in Ryloss' life have shaped him in this way, which, as he had been raised (brought up) among the Jedi, you would not expect from him. I was referring to his childhood and teenage years as his upbringing, in this case, and experiences as things that happened during and after it which have affected him.

2) You realize how that would change you, right? I can tell you right now that Ryloss wouldn't keep fighting if that were the case. You stop caring anymore at that point. Love? Your loved ones would scarcely recognize you anymore. Hate? You don't care enough to hate anything anymore. And your own survival? It requires more effort than you can give at that point. When a person reaches the point where they stop caring enough to feel emotion? They. Stop. Caring. Period. No exceptions, no special rules. When they truly stop like what you are trying to tell us Ryloss has done, I am not kidding you when I say people are willing to simply lay down and die at that point.

This is a question of mental health, something which no two people experience in the exact same way. Ryloss is fighting because I have written that he is experiencing a Zeltron form of mind that they developed to help cope with situations that would prove traumatic to them. It does not erode their will to live, it just stops them from feeling emotion in the same way most people do. This was because I had been looking for a reason for Zeltrons not to have out-bred the rest of the galaxy. My logic is that they can't cope with trauma the same way humans do, that they lack a certain spark to keep going. I then decided they must have a point after which they shut down emotionally. But at the same time, does not affect their will to live. I had added it to Ryloss in much the same way other people have added fanon to their characters that would affect the entire race.

3) Well unless you've edited the IC post since I last read it, I'm assuming nothing. You directly stated in the post where you made the mental image attack against Nukri that they weren't going to have any real effect. So if you were concerned that you hadn't been ICly specific in that part, then no worries because that was one point where you were fairly clear. However the problem still rests with this: being telepathic is one thing. Being able to send images of that sort, or even to attempt to, is another. Look at Star Wars canon and you'll see that telepathy is nothing more than simple messages, often difficult to broadcast without close distance and possibly even eye contact (especially between two total strangers). Having a Zeltron character of my own, I can assure you I combed through and picked up any information I could, and they don't inherently have abilities akin to Fear and Insanity like what would be necessary to do the attack anyways.

In addition.

Ryloss has been using Force Telepathy for nearly fifteen years at the time of this RP. I have had him use it in other RP's, with a good amount of people, experienced Force Users and such, present in a way similar to how it was used - sending images. I had assumed that a Zeltron would be able to mess around with her emotions in that way. I assumed wrong, but at the end of the day, it makes no difference because he didn't send her the feelings anyway. I'll be sure to keep in in mind.

That doesn't matter. Its an instinctive thing. They are, by their very nature of existence, more receptive and sensitive to emotions. So it'd still have an effect, and likely much like if he'd been raised among his fellow Zeltrons considering he was raised by the Jedi: a group that shuns giving into your anger and baser emotions. So being raised from birth? He's essentially going against his very upbringing by doing this.

Yes, more receptive and sensitive to emotions. But what if these aren't good emotions, and what if he's not hanging around with the light-sided people? Ryloss left when he was seventeen, he only just came back. For that period, he was not being a nice person. He was killing, stealing, doing as many drugs as he could get his hands on and living like a base criminal for some of it. So he is no where near as happy or carefree as you assume he is.

Another thing is that teenagers rebel against what they are thought to believe from birth. Ryloss most definitely would have been one of them. He was wondering if he was a Zeltron or a Jedi, if it was possible to be both, ect. And then an extremely traumatic event, the loss of his clan, happened. Those negative emotions, which were the only real answer to the Jedi 'everything has it's place' outlook, definitely would have changed him. You would say he's less likely to be the way he is. I'd be saying he's more likely to be just like that.

This is - horribly weak. They aren't "low-Knight" or anything of that level. The rules are simple: it doesn't matter what your background or history is, as a Padawan you are no more inherently powerful than any other Padawan or Acolyte. So it doesn't matter what you say his childhood was, they are still operating at the same level of power. Its even stated in site rules that until he's ICly trained by a proper master, he's restricted in power levels and powers available to him. Meaning he is no more or less powerful than Nukri. I could literally go on and on about this, but I'm not out of risk that I might slip up and go get foul-mouthed and angry about it at some point. Suffice to say, I'm simply going to move on to the next point.

I have been told repeatedly, throughout two years on the site, that experience is worth more than rank. In fact, in every situation I have seen, experience has beaten rank. That is how we work here, or that is what I have been led to believe over two years.

You realize how hypocritical this is, correct? You cannot assume he cut you off, especially when in his post he very explicitly ICly stated that he did not. 16 actually waited for Ryloss to perform his jump before doing anything else. So in essence, you wrote as if his character had interrupted your's. You made his character act for him without his permission and changed the course of the battle in your favor as a result.

He interrupted a move and then acted as if the rest of the post happened in exactly the same way. That is my issue with this.

That is all there is to say about that.

Maybe.

As we've covered multiple times now, that hit was an assumed success because of a lack of any definitive defense on your part. And as said, you posted him doing the action of jumping away. As we all know, the action is successful on the understanding that it isn't interrupted in a believable fashion. 16 did not do this meaning that the jump would have gone on. It wasn't until two rounds later at which point you redacted it.

I redacted it on the immediate next turn, by having Ryloss block 16's attack, which I had assumed I would be allowed to do since, you know, he interrupted what Ryloss was doing.

And they still use energy, they would still detract from Ryloss's energy and stamina, and they would still require attention and purposeful action to execute. That means he's still multi-tasking at unbelievable levels.

This is a question that's been plaguing the Star Wars fandom for years. Luke Skywalker had trouble lifting a several tonne fighter out of the water on Dagobah, but he moved it a decent bit without any real issue. It was only when he doubted himself that he failed. As a Force User for nearly three decades, I would say that Ryloss has been able to over-come the barriers that prevented Luke from lifting that fighter.

During the Battle of Curoscant threads, a young enough man was able to tear down the gates of the Jedi Temple. This was ruled as valid. Ryloss has ten years on that guy, as well as having begun training at a very, very early age. I would say he can make Force attacks without much effort or time put into them.

Yes, actually, he did. See the quote below. The second attack, the first being the hotly debated assumed success, and this being the attempted bisection follows.

Ah, yes, sorry, my mistake. But he's still assuming Ryloss would have gone immediately on from what he was doing, without pausing to question the fact that 16 wasn't moving. That's where the issue is.

And, the final point I'm going to address.

Fairly similar to ones before it, actually.

First of all, its completely blockable now because of your self-interruptions and redactions.

I haven't redacted anything. I haven't edited my posts at all. I'm just saying that if 16 cuts through Ryloss' moves half-way through, he can't then say that Ryloss kept on going as if nothing happened.

And secondly. You don't want to lose two years of hard work on a character? Trust me, I know the pain.

No, I don't want to lose it over something that's debatable. I want a 100% chance of death if I loose Ryloss.

The first website I ever joined was started by some friends. Our own little place to get together even after a few of them were moving away, so we could always keep in touch, chat with each other, and invite others to join us. We were young and stupid at the time. Four years of my life were put into that site, two of them as nothing more than a moderator. But RL, one of us decided that she wanted to - be "friendly" with some of the others. Caused a lot of heartbreak. A lot of bad fighting, that spilled onto the site as those sorts of things often do. I had just been made a co-admin at the time.

And do you want to know how long the site lasted after that point?

Six months.

It was already so far gone on a downward spiral by then that I was administering over nothing more than the death-throes of an injured dog in its final moments. There was nothing I could say or do without being seen as biased or playing favorites by one side or another. There are people I knew for years who I no longer have contact with because they cut me out after what happened on that waste of four years of my life. All of it down the drain.

I have no pity for that claim. I've let go of so many characters in table-top roleplaying, watched so many ideas of mine flounder and fail after months to years of hard work and devotion were put into them in hopes they'd suceed.

I'd rather that if Nukri were to die or fail that it be in a blaze of glory in such a way that I'd have fond memories of great RPing with that character. Rather than trying to twist and change around what I said earlier and rile up this sort of stuff just to try and get her to live through a fight when I'd been written into a corner.

Oh for... Look, I'm sorry about the site, but this is a different set of events. This is a debatable attack that I am saying should not be considered a hit. I have not written myself into a corner at the moment. I'm saying that I should have been allowed to make a block which would have allowed the fight to keep going. I'm outmatched here, Fyston's a more experienced writer than I am, but I'm not cutting it short on a debatable move.

 

[Liam]

Hobo, you keep talking about how you want your character to die in some "blaze of glory". This is pretty hypocritical because you are not allowing Ush to do the same with his character. Instead, you are debating every single move that he makes, which could result in his character receiving a quick and meaningless death. Is bisection a "blaze of glory" death? You should at least let him have a chance to create a real battle, with some real kick-ass moments.



Also, you talked about how Ush's character is on the same level (experience/skill-wise) as everyone else. I do not think this is 100% true, considering that he has been in a dozen RPs with the character. Just because the character is not an official Jedi Knight does not mean that he is powerful. Your character is fairly new, so her power level is probably not exactly equal to Ryloss.



Finally, I would just like to address your story. While it is very sad and I am sorry to hear what happened to the site, I do not see how any of it relates to this. The only similarities I can see between the two situations is that conflicts and websites are in both the stories. That is probably the only thing the two have in common.

If you're trying to say that you are trying to remain unbiased through this ordeal, than you are mistaken. You have been questioning almost every single one of Ush's posts, and you have stood up for Fyston vigorously. Granted, I do the same thing for Ush, but I know that I am biased when it comes to this.

If you're trying to say that you want your character to have an honorable death, then I understand that. I just ask that you let Ush's character have a chance at a good last battle like you would want your character to have as well. Having his lung pierced at the very beginning of a duel, even though he has given explanations of his defenses, is pretty boring, to put it simply. I just want to get on with this RP. If you let Ush have his post, than no one is hurt. We could have an epic duel and just let things play out. Instead, you just want to nit-pick, which just creates an unpleasant experience for everyone. This site was created for a fun experience.

 

[Sreeya]

I'm not going to be involved in the discussion, except to kill this argument, which is being brought up repeatedly:

Also, you talked about how Ush's character is on the same level (experience/skill-wise) as everyone else. I do not think this is 100% true, considering that he has been in a dozen RPs with the character. Just because the character is not an official Jedi Knight does not mean that he is powerful. Your character is fairly new, so her power level is probably not exactly equal to Ryloss.

We can do this one of two ways. If you REALLY want to do this based on technicalities and try to say that because Blah has been in more threads, they're stronger, then it needs to apply to both. In this case, Fyston's char 16 has been in a skirmish before (which he won quite handily) and my Darth char has personally trained him, AND after that skirmish he was offered a promotion, which he didn't take at the time. If you seriously want to go by technicalities, you will both need to accept the fact that TECHNICALLY 16 is above a regular Crusader rank and is powerful enough to probably beat both of your padawans on his own based on his resume. The reason he was put into this fight was with the understanding that everyone is on the same playing field. Please stop using this as an argument unless you're prepared to let 16 be much, much more powerful than both of you. Going this route won't give you or Ush any sort of edge, trust me. You're better off going with the idea of them all being the same level, as that's the mentality GABA and I had when we organized these.

 

[Fyston]

I brought it to PM's because I don't like people throwing their opinions at me when they aren't wanted. I also despise the idea of bringing mechanics into an RP, which, with a non-private discussion, will happen. I didn't check the OOC because I had lost all interest in this, and was waiting for a PM. A PM that never arrived.

I will admit that I could have done you a favor in sending you a PM, but I also figured that you'd have mentioned if you "lost all interest in this" and I shouldn't need permission to post PMs. When it's public, we can get rulings and have others weigh in, allowing for a more expedient resolution.

The problem with this is that 16 makes a move, interrupting a set of moves, and then waits for another 'turn' before attacking and claiming a hit. I'm saying that if 16 doesn't move from the push, then Ryloss wouldn't have jumped and would have instead blocked.

Where did you say that ICly? As far as I know, you have to state something along the lines of "should Ryloss's attack on 16 fail, he would move into a defensive position." Someone with more experience can obviously weigh on more effectively than I can, but I think the intent should be stated.

This is a question of mental health, something which no two people experience in the exact same way. Ryloss is fighting because I have written that he is experiencing a Zeltron form of mind that they developed to help cope with situations that would prove traumatic to them. It does not erode their will to live, it just stops them from feeling emotion in the same way most people do. This was because I had been looking for a reason for Zeltrons not to have out-bred the rest of the galaxy. My logic is that they can't cope with trauma the same way humans do, that they lack a certain spark to keep going. I then decided they must have a point after which they shut down emotionally. But at the same time, does not affect their will to live. I had added it to Ryloss in much the same way other people have added fanon to their characters that would affect the entire race.

You can't just decide something for the entire species. There is no mention of shutting down emotionally in canon or in anything mentioned thus far in Star Wars media, be it books, movies, TV shows, or comic books. I couldn't make a Chiss and then state that the Chiss as a species had a fear of feet.

Ryloss has been using Force Telepathy for nearly fifteen years at the time of this RP. I have had him use it in other RP's, with a good amount of people, experienced Force Users and such, present in a way similar to how it was used - sending images. I had assumed that a Zeltron would be able to mess around with her emotions in that way. I assumed wrong, but at the end of the day, it makes no difference because he didn't send her the feelings anyway. I'll be sure to keep in in mind.

While you didn't send the images, it doesn't make sense to try to send them when there is zero knowledge of Force Fear and whatnot. Either way, I'm moving on from this point, as it appears to be settled.

Yes, more receptive and sensitive to emotions. But what if these aren't good emotions, and what if he's not hanging around with the light-sided people? Ryloss left when he was seventeen, he only just came back. For that period, he was not being a nice person. He was killing, stealing, doing as many drugs as he could get his hands on and living like a base criminal for some of it. So he is no where near as happy or carefree as you assume he is.

So you're saying that Ryloss left the Jedi when he was 17? He's 32 now, meaning he was gone from the Order for 15 years. That's tons of experience that he lost. He can't be a highly experienced Padawan who can easily match any other Sith and also have left the Order for 15 years before the fight. That, to me, makes no sense.

I have been told repeatedly, throughout two years on the site, that experience is worth more than rank. In fact, in every situation I have seen, experience has beaten rank. That is how we work here, or that is what I have been led to believe over two years.

To a point, yes, but you can't begin treating your character like they can easily trump any foe when they're a Padawan. I'd also like to refer to my above point where I mentioned that Ryloss had been away from the Order for 15 years, which is an incredibly long time.

He interrupted a move and then acted as if the rest of the post happened in exactly the same way. That is my issue with this.

See the bottom response

I redacted it on the immediate next turn, by having Ryloss block 16's attack, which I had assumed I would be allowed to do since, you know, he interrupted what Ryloss was doing.

In my first post, 16 attacks towards Ryloss's lungs. Under the assumed hit (which requires a ruling, etc, let's not rehash this), it hits. AFTER this, when it is learned that Ryloss would be chopped in half in the air during his flip, you finally state that, rather than jumping or whatnot, he instead is on the ground defending against two blows. You also attempt to dictate when my attacks happen, which I find laughable.

This is a question that's been plaguing the Star Wars fandom for years. Luke Skywalker had trouble lifting a several tonne fighter out of the water on Dagobah, but he moved it a decent bit without any real issue. It was only when he doubted himself that he failed. As a Force User for nearly three decades, I would say that Ryloss has been able to over-come the barriers that prevented Luke from lifting that fighter.

The Skywalkers are not typical of Force users. One was the Chosen One and the other was the son of said Chosen one. I highly doubt that Ryloss, Nukri, 16, or even Jhon Cordatus are Chosen Ones. Again, 15 years gone, etc. Every character isn't a Luke Skywalker, and it seems wrong to assume that, especially as Padawans, our characters can multitask well enough to do a large amount of actions at once.

During the Battle of Curoscant threads, a young enough man was able to tear down the gates of the Jedi Temple. This was ruled as valid. Ryloss has ten years on that guy, as well as having begun training at a very, very early age. I would say he can make Force attacks without much effort or time put into them.

He's five years behind if the 15 years thing comes into it. Okay, I'm tired of repeating that, but the point is clear. You can't just leave the order and expect to come back way better than the other. Anyway, let's move on.

Ah, yes, sorry, my mistake. But he's still assuming Ryloss would have gone immediately on from what he was doing, without pausing to question the fact that 16 wasn't moving. That's where the issue is.

There's no mention of not moving if things went south or the like. In my most recent post, for example, I had 16's tentacles take up a defensive position in case he was shot at or Diddle's character leapt at him. It's a simple line that lets people know ahead of time that, should 16 be attacked, he's got his lightsabers in a defensive position.

I haven't redacted anything. I haven't edited my posts at all. I'm just saying that if 16 cuts through Ryloss' moves half-way through, he can't then say that Ryloss kept on going as if nothing happened.

If I were to say what would happen/what Ryloss would do in that instance, that would be godmodding. I state an intent and you react. I don't state an intent and then also state what Ryloss would do. There's absolutely no statement saying that, should anything go wrong, Ryloss had a backup plan. However, by going back and redacting it so that Ryloss never leapt into the air and, thus, isn't at risk of being chopped in half, you interrupt yourself and try to make it so that I have to choose between not attacking (not sure how) or godmodding (against the rules).

 

[Omnis]

For what it's worth, I feel like the obvious needs to be stated outright here.

You guys have literally filled up multiple pages with VERY few posts at a time, considering their great length. Through all of this, you have accomplished very little in moving one side or the other in the argument.

It might be time to bring this to admin and let them rule on it. Continuing to argue will only make it more difficult for them to sift through it all, plus take more time. Their time, your time.

Just a suggestion, mates. Good luck in getting this resolved.

 

[Die Shize]

Oddly arranged candle sticks.

 

[GABA]

Oddly arranged candle sticks.

Please don't spam.

 

[Die Shize]

I was honestly speaking to the point that Ush made.

 

[GABA]

If you don't have anything constructive to contribute, then please refrain from posting.

 

[Die Shize]

There's actually a method to my madness. I'm thinking blood gets pumped too high in debates like these. My constructive contribution comes in by everyone just reading "Oddly arranged candle sticks." Read it. Rinse it. Repeat it. This probably, quite understandably, sounds like nonsense; some silly attempt at witty humor for the sake of making a reply. I challenge that challenge. If people breathe, relax, or continue to do so if they already are, and absorb the meaninglessness of a phrase like "Oddly arranged candle sticks", that is to say how utterly senseless it is, then in my experience (which I'm trying to share for the benefit) the perhaps ironic outcome is often at times a sensible outlook on what is being handled at hand. That's what I was attempting to share with you guys. Just some purely passenger-seat 'Hey, let me throw this your way, because you guys are involved in this, and mine is merely an indirect offering from an outlook that is much more sidelined than in the heat of things'. That's all.

 

[GABA]

Again, members are invited to give critical feedback on the topic, however, any other issues not related to the disputes of this battle may be addressed in a separate thread.

 

[Rom]

Guys, for the sake of the movement of the thread, I'm going to have to ask that you call for admin judgement. The conversation about who is right and who is wrong has circled the drain for over a week and a half with nothing decided or acted upon; if you all cannot come to an agreement despite the advice and discussion of others and yourselves in this thread than it is time to turn it over for judgement, AND to accept whatever that judgement may be.

 

[The Classiest Hobo]

Fyston has asked for admin judgement on this whole situation.

 

[Empress]

I would like to start this by apologizing on the amount of time it took to get this out. It Has been looked over several times and to be honest could have been handled swifter. That being said however there is one glaring issue that needs to be mentioned first above all else: When to report something. Much of what came up was from posts that took place further back, and were played off of, and continued on into new posts. When you choose to hit that reply button, and continue on- your by default accepting whats going on previously. If there is an issue , work it out with the other person before you reply and bar that contact an admin.

Secondly I want to address another issue that made things more complicated was how many actions an individual is putting into a turn. In a PVP situation its understandable that a lot can go on, but force trained or not, a person is still limited by their own body and level of training. Nobody is going to be able to simultaneously pull off 5, or 6 different actions in a width of a few seconds .
( block/dodge - retaliate- do this- do that while all the while doing " this and that" ) that frankly wont fly. Keep it realistic to your characters body and training, realize there is a issue with amount of focus, fatigue and so on. Pulling off too much is not only unrealistic but also forces others involved to address it, which has a cascade effect and causes more miscommunication, misinterpretation, assumptions and so on, and by the time its over you have walls of text with countless things going on that is by all rights a nightmare for others involved to get a clear idea of whats going on, and hard on us when we have to step in and figure these things out.

when it starts getting too much? dont assume and play through unless your willing to deal with the consequences- ask for clarification, or come to us sooner.


That said both these factors played a major part in this dispute, on top of the assuming, vagueness and so on that comes with the cascading effect I mentioned before. Now, Everything earlier on in the bout that was played through will stand simply because that is how they were played off by both parties before the issue came to us. Because of that they have to stand

however the last two posts 8 and 12 ( fyston/ush) should be cleaned up and edited to reflect how the previous posts carried on as is. I will state that one thing to correct is that 16's blade did not pierce the Zeltron's chest- 1) the aim was for the abdomen - this is not the chest this is the stomach area. 2) there was " though not exactly the clearest" move to avoid it. That point should be altered the secondary assault read fine, save for the first part.

on the last Ush, you need to pick a few direct actions specifically, there was way too much going on too rapidly and chaotically, deflections and responses/counter attacks are fine but bare i mind your own characters limits and the short span of time going on in each post.


while again Im truly sorry for the delay, I cant stress enough the need for communication, clarity and if all else fails coming to us sooner before there are several turns built up to compound the issue "

 

[The Classiest Hobo]

Thank you, Empress!

 

[Fyston]

I do have one question about the ruling (thank you for it, by the way, I know it was a headache and a half): You mentioned that the second attack in post 8 (the attempt to bisect Ryloss) was fine, though what is going on with Ryloss's body position? It may have been mentioned in the ruling, so just point it out if that's the case, but in his post on the 23rd of last month, he flipped into the air and, in post 12, he is on the ground, despite not being interrupted. I don't care either way, as I just want this show to get on the road, but my next post will be different if the attack took place in the air as opposed to the ground.

 

[Empress]

as I said alot of it was so stuffed with multi actions that it was easy to get lost, but the idea was that, the motion would have taken only a brief few seconds in reality that not much , and yeah landing would have been implied.

what Im saying though is that his action alone would have been enough to clear him of the thrust at his abdomen ( stomach area) however by the time your secondary attacks came in, he would be landing

Ive asked him to choose how hes going to deal with that and edit the last post to contend with that, and remind everyone to be aware with how much they are trying to pull off in a single turn

 

[Liam]

Is Fyston up?

 

[Liam]

So is this thread postponed?