Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice

[Phil]

If you're in a shitty movie and fully aware of the shit factor, might as well try and have fun with it.

 

[Shiuzu]

Meh, this all looks pretty bland to be honest. Outside of the, "Ohey, characters I like on the big screen." factor there's nothing of interest here.

It's also pretty exploitive of Snyder to use the 9/11 and Katrina imagery like that. And to use a white family for their Katrina parallel.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

It's also pretty exploitive of Snyder to use the 9/11 and Katrina imagery like that. And to use a white family for their Katrina parallel.

I'm not one to defend DC's choices in their films, but you do realize that Katrina is not the only storm that has caused floods where people have to get up onto their roof, right? It happens more frequently than you would think. We don't know the context of that scene, and given the relative frequency of people being trapped on their roof because of flooding, it's a bit early to be calling it exploitation of Katrina.

 

[Shiuzu]

Submitted without context.

 

[Korvo]

Submitted without context.

...bizarre, much?

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

This is exactly what people wanted with a batman vs superman story. Not a clash of light vs dark, or optimism vs pessimism, or any sort of ideals on opposite spectrums.

One grimdark murderer vs another grimdark murderer. Exactly as the fans wanted it.

 

[Phil]

This movie... wow. Looks absolutely ridiculous and I would almost assume it was a Michael Baydium film. At most, it looks like a passable popcorn film, though even that I doubt. Part of me just wants this to be enjoyable, no matter how stupid and ridiculous this gets.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I think if this is the trailer they had come off the plate with I'd have been more favorable to it, still not in the movie's camp, but at least more optimistic.

 

[Korvo]

I really liked the trailer, saw it like twenty times. Will probably see it opening night, but I'm glad this doesn't seem to be as Batman-centric as rumors had previously let on

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There were some parts of the trailer that I liked but it still looks pretty bad.

However, this movie is about Batman and Superman punching each other so I will be there.

 

[Raydo]

However, this movie is about Batman and Superman punching each other so I will be there.

This. I love Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but just can't bring myself to fully accept him in this movie.

 

[Niish Kydon]

I have a feeling that what we saw of Eisenberg's Lex interrupting Bruce and Clark is a facade, much like the facade Kal puts on as Clark. Behind closed doors, I'm sure Lex is gunna be that cold, calculated, ruthless bastard we know and love.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Bruce Wayne: "He has the power to wipe out the entire human race. And if we believe there is even a 1% chance that he is our enemy, we have to take it as an absolute certainty."

Dick Cheney: "If there's a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."

This is why I think DC's film direction is lame and over-serious.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Me personally, I'm all for Bruce Wayne's logic.

Superman has the power to destroy the world. Anyone with that power, whether good intentioned or not, does not have the right, nor should have the right, to exist.

 

[Logan]

Me personally, I'm all for Bruce Wayne's logic.

Superman has the power to destroy the world. Anyone with that power, whether good intentioned or not, does not have the right, nor should have the right, to exist.

You could easily make the argument that Batman has the same capabilities just through a different medium. Throughout the comics, Batman has always held more cards in his hand than any of the other heroes he deals with, especially the Justice League. Hell, there's an entire arc where Batman has contingencies to eliminate each member of the League if they should ever stop being defenders of justice and they start to utilize their abilities for evil or personal gains. Now I use the term justice here loosely, because it's Batman's idea of what justice should be.

Batman is a vigilante with personal vendettas, personal prejudices and a lone-wolf mindset. He is just as dangerous as Superman to the world at large, just not in the "i can punch through your whole planet" kind of way but the "espionage, intelligence, and backstabbery" kind of way. The only reason he's not viewed as being as dangerous as Supes is obvious, but it's incorrect. The rhino is a dangerous animal, sure. But his methods are obvious and the plan to take him out is pretty straightforward. Batman is a mamba, a black widow, or a stalking cat - if he wants you dead, you'll be lights out before you realize what the hell is even going on.

An evil Batman is infinitely more frightening than an evil Superman, at least to me.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Me personally, I'm all for Bruce Wayne's logic.

Superman has the power to destroy the world. Anyone with that power, whether good intentioned or not, does not have the right, nor should have the right, to exist.

You could easily make the argument that Batman has the same capabilities just through a different medium. Throughout the comics, Batman has always held more cards in his hand than any of the other heroes he deals with, especially the Justice League. Hell, there's an entire arc where Batman has contingencies to eliminate each member of the League if they should ever stop being defenders of justice and they start to utilize their abilities for evil or personal gains. Now I use the term justice here loosely, because it's Batman's idea of what justice should be.

Batman is a vigilante with personal vendettas, personal prejudices and a lone-wolf mindset. He is just as dangerous as Superman to the world at large, just not in the "i can punch through your whole planet" kind of way but the "espionage, intelligence, and backstabbery" kind of way. The only reason he's not viewed as being as dangerous as Supes is obvious, but it's incorrect. The rhino is a dangerous animal, sure. But his methods are obvious and the plan to take him out is pretty straightforward. Batman is a mamba, a black widow, or a stalking cat - if he wants you dead, you'll be lights out before you realize what the hell is even going on.

An evil Batman is infinitely more frightening than an evil Superman, at least to me.

This basically. Even in the context of this movie's lore and overlooking the long comics based argument Relent put nicely: How many casualties have there been during the Batman's war on crime? How many deaths were caused indirectly by his actions during his tenure as an illegal self-appointed crime fighter, and by his own admission in the trailers, ineffective as an agent of actual change?

 

[Korvo]

Me personally, I'm all for Bruce Wayne's logic.

Superman has the power to destroy the world. Anyone with that power, whether good intentioned or not, does not have the right, nor should have the right, to exist.

I cannot overstate how gravely the implications expressed here disturb me

 

[Phil]

This was a much better trailer.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

None of you agree with Bruce Wayne on this?

I am alone with this thought process?

@Korvo @Relent @Johnnysaurus Rex

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I agree with Relent and Johnny.

Bruce Wayne is pretty clearly being shown as a raging psychopath consumed with guilt and thoughts of revenge in these trailers.

Quoting Dick Cheney isn't exactly helping his case.