Colorado Republican blames black and hispanic proverty on them eating fried chicken.

[Icaro]

She's right that us blackies have shitty diets. Heart disease- the number 1 killer of brown people before nike's and diebetus.

before nike's and diabetus
nike's and disbetus
nike's

10/10.

 

[BLADE]

She's right that us blackies have shitty diets. Heart disease- the number 1 killer of brown people before nike's and diebetus.

The mistake she made was singling out the minorities though. It's the south in general that's a cesspool of fatty's.

Southern Cuisine and Culture is one big long (unacknowledged) appropriation of African-American stuff anyhow, so in a way at least she's giving credit where it's due. Though of course, were we to acknowledge the black roots of such fare, we might have to realize that it is so fatty and caloric because slaves and later on poor sharecroppers needed all the calories they could get.

but other times due to over-reactions by a few people who write about the story which leads to misinformation around what was said, often because scandal and misbehavior get a lot of traffic and traction with readers.

Assignment: give one example. Then explain Rush Limbaugh, Trent Franks, Strom Thurmond, Richard Nixon, Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, etc.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

@Prospero, you really want me to derail the entire thread like that? More so than it already has?

 

[Kaeb]

@Prospero, you really want me to derail the entire thread like that? More so than it already has?

If you think this is off topic, you need to spend some more time here.

 

[BLADE]

@Prospero, you really want me to derail the entire thread like that? More so than it already has?

Given that the thread is about racist assholery, asking you to provide counter-examples seems entirely germane. Also I've always hated the expression derail. Seriously, who rides on trains anymore? What are we, a bunch of Godforsaken Socialist Queer Europeans? We're Murricans, dammit, and if a thread is going to precipitously collapse under the concentrated derp-a-derp of a few posts, I'd much rather it be a flying steering wheel that stoves in our collective sense of the '****-am-I-reading?' rather than a slight warp in the grade-track.

Seriously. Even the technical descriptions of train derailments sound ****ing lame.

tl;dr Go back to Europe and also plz provide examples.

Hugs and/or Kisses (but not the French kind, because there's a theme here)

Prospero
xoxo

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

@Prospero, Well, okay. But you asked for it. First I'll adress the outliers by reiterating myself. "most times deservedly" means that most of the time, the people who are accused of racism, did in fact say or do racist things. Rush Limbaugh, Trent Franks, Strom Thurmond, Richard Nixon, Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin

Trent Franks and Strom Thurmond are both, I believe, genuinely racist and desrerve the flak that they get. People like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove benefit from saying racist things because it helps them tap into peoples base, racism, and helps to galvanize their supporters and fringe members of their party, while also using scare tactics to get the less informed or more racist population who aren't necessarily republican to vote republican.

Rush Limbaugh is a radio shock jock whose entire money comes from the amount of listeners he has and the amount of people his advertisers can advertise towards. And the way to get numbers is to be as outrageous, hateful, and a lot more than just racist, in order to get the crazy reliable fringe on your side, but also to get people who hate your show to listen as well, in order to hear the crap you'll say next and post about how angry they are about it. The adage of people simply not watching, reading, or listening to something if they hate it isn't that true, and people seem naturally drawn to watching the trainwreck and hate spectacle and react to it.

Richard Nixon had a lot more problems than just race, and he desrves to be called out on everything he did, especially his strange obsession with destroying homosexuality. Sarah Palin seemed more oblivious and dumb than anything else, and not someone who should have been in politics. Sorta like this politician in the article reminds me of.

Now onto what I am assuming you're asking me to provide, that being someone who wasn't racist, who was accused of being racist, and whose life is now probably ruined. George Zimmerman. Looking into the case in any detail, taking a look at what Trayvon Martin was like, what zimmerman was like, it's clear he wasn't racist, and trayvon really wasn't a good kid. One of the most daming facts about trayvon martin? A year before the shooting, when they had searched his bag for a marker he used to graffiti a door in school, they found stolen jewelery and a screwdriver, basically caught him as a thief red handed. A year before the shooting, zimmerman gave a speech condoning the police for corruption and racism, after the son of a white police officer beat a homeless black man to death, zimmerman testified against the department for their slow action in arresting the man. But than if you only judged the story based on what the media was telling you, you'd swear that zimmerman was a memeber of the clan and lynched trayvon like a scene out of Mississippi Burning.

I tend to trust people too soon, but one of the things I don't trust are faceless people whose entire jobs are to get as much attention on their story as possible. Because outrage sells almost as well as sex, and the narrative for the zimmerman case practically writes itself to draw in everyone looking for a short condensed blurb of info affirming their knee-jerk thoughts on what does or doesn't happen when a young black man and a older white(but not really, he's hispanic mixed.) man meet at night and blood is shed.

EDIT: I feel like any second now, fire is going to rain down from the sky and I'm going to be banned from the internet for what I wrote.

 

[BLADE]

I was agreeing with you (in broad strokes) until we got to the Trayvon stuff.

And then JINKIES did things go bad.

Now onto what I am assuming you're asking me to provide, that being someone who wasn't racist, who was accused of being racist, and whose life is now probably ruined. George Zimmerman. Looking into the case in any detail, taking a look at what Trayvon Martin was like, what zimmerman was like, it's clear he wasn't racist, and trayvon really wasn't a good kid.

A gumshoe has emerged to plumb the depths of this case! I foresee a rousing chase which will end up telling us who exactly killed postracial comity in America --*stage whisper* I think it was the black guy in the hoodie in the foyer, because seriously, when do black people ever go into fancy places with foyers wearing a hoodie? A bowtie and serving platter? Well that's just the American way.

One of the most daming facts about trayvon martin? A year before the shooting, when they had searched his bag for a marker he used to graffiti a door in school,

MY GOD. GRAFFITO.

Next thing you'll be telling me was also part of some tough (but racially diverse) breakdancing group, whose hypnotic and highly synchronized hip swaying --excuse me, jerkin'-- is all part of an advanced code to kill Whitey.

I call it the Nat Turner Boogie.

they found stolen jewelery and a screwdriver, basically caught him as a thief red handed.

And who knows what dastardly deeds he was planning on doing with that screwdriver. I mean, with a two-inch bit drill, some creativity and urban savagery, he could probably take apart some desk furniture or something.

A year before the shooting, zimmerman gave a speech condoning the police for corruption and racism,

Hilarious Freudian slip is hilarious.

after the son of a white police officer beat a homeless black man to death, zimmerman testified against the department for their slow action in arresting the man.

Just like their slow action in arresting him. The hilariously ironic parallelism here is almost like a Stoppard play. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead (Probably Because Hamlet Stood His Ground)

But than if you only judged the story based on what the media was telling you, you'd swear that zimmerman was a memeber of the clan and lynched trayvon like a scene out of Mississippi Burning.

Ohai assertion without evidence.

As someone who followed the case --and a lawyer, and someone who grew up with dusky-hued people, wearing hoodies even-- here's the impression I got. The media hyped the case, but Zimmerman did (and does) have a weird and problematic history with race. He made exceptions for some people, and for others he didn't. I imagine he did actually get along well with some black people. I also don't think he's the Devil incarnate, but I do think he's an asshole and a thug who got a kid (excuse, a deadly gangsta who graffito'd and stole screwdrivers) murdered. The case also threw more light (and that was the more significant aspect of it) into the harsh inequalities in our alleged justice system.

That was what I took away from it. Because the real story about George Zimmerman isn't that he's some foreign White Devil who wants to kill black people. It's that he's pretty much like a lot of us: insecure, prone to violence, full of neuroses and stereotypes (and we all stereotype.) The difference, of course, is that his outsized character defects and an insane legal system allowed him to brutally murder a seventeen-year-old kid.

That doesn't seem like something that you can overexaggerate, but then again, I am not the one defending the angelic Mr. Zimmerman as the victim of urban-artist-cum-hardware-pilferer Trayvon "Shaka Zulu" Martin.

I tend to trust people too soon, but one of the things I don't trust are faceless people whose entire jobs are to get as much attention on their story as possible. Because outrage sells almost as well as sex, and the narrative for the zimmerman case practically writes itself to draw in everyone looking for a short condensed blurb of info affirming their knee-jerk thoughts on what does or doesn't happen when a young black man and a older white(but not really, he's hispanic mixed.) man meet at night and blood is shed.

Well, so far all I can parse from your argle-bargle is that you tend to trust white people (and Senor Zimmerman is --verdad-- un blanco hispanic) and empathize with them (and nobody is totally a monster, including Mr. Zimmerman) more than you do black people.

See racism isn't actually (at least nowadays and usually speaking) an overt hatred of a group. It's a subtle and pernicious mindset which allows for double-standards and all kinds of allowances for the group which more closely resembles yours.

Your flailing for an explanation that Mr. Zimmerman was somehow right in killing Trayvon (because he --unlike every other single other teenager-- was not some perfect angel) speaks for itself.

 

[Icaro]

clipped

this post made my day.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

So you just ignoring the part where trayvon had stolen jewelery from multiple people, all of who had reported it stolen days ago, because it makes him look bad, and instead just focus on his minor crime of graffiti to try and dismiss the greater point that trayvon was, in fact, guilty of the very thefts that zimmerman suspected him of. Class act man. And tell me something, what kind of well behaving kid brings a screwdriver to school in his bag in 2011? Did you ever bring repair tools with you to school? Is this a common thing now that I missed in my luxuries public education in high school back in 2008?

Also, you seem to mention a lot about what zimmerman is, but not a lot about what trayvon was like in school. Signing up for mixed martial arts, fair to do. But also prone to extreme bouts of violence and anger, which he happened to tweet about often. Also he got high a lot, which he would tweet, including one that pretty much spells is out well.

"RT @TheyHATEShAHeED: Its crazy how i was jus pissed off,snappin…then i smoked..now im happy:) ha"

This wasn't me writing this or fake or anything. This was a tweet from him, from his account, in his words. It says a lot about his character when you get to see what type of things he put out for the world to see about himself. Also you than have the fact the witness for his defense admitting to lying about her testimony. Than the fact that trayvon himself, on the phone, said he was going to go and beat up zimmerman for following him. Combined with the injuries zimmerman sustained, I'd say he may have very well been defending himself from trayvon martin, who may have rightly felt intimidated by zimmerman following him and decided to per-emptively strike. All we know is that trayvon struck first, and zimmerman fired the shot.

Now, what I find more than a little irksome, and pretty downright insulting, is all the stabs and implications you keep throwing at me to paint me as a racist white supporter. In fact you come close to calling me a downright call me a racist in your post, by insinuating I trust white people more than black people based on the color of their skin or some other arbitrary distinction. All because I have an opinion in the case different from yours. And your assumptions of my points, and my ethnicity, are most irritating. Is this what a full law school education teaches you? To launch accusations about people you've only just meet, over a disagreement?

So to start, I'm a hawaiian japaenese portuguese. Not a caucasian, unless you count the portuguese in the european ethnicity and not the more spanis/latin ethnicity. I know what racism feels like, felt it whenever some asshole marine on his off time gave me and my brother dirty looks whenever we were in a 7ll and they came from the damn base on scholchild to my small town of wahiawa. I take offense to you disrespecting my post and than implying I saw trayvon as some black radical "shaka zulu" who needed to be put down for the safety of the white america.

Calling george zimmerman a racist takes away from the bigger issue at hand, that being that the "stand your ground" law, is in it of itself, a bad idea. And that it lead to unnecessary deaths, like the death of trayvon martin. Now, in my post, I never defended zimmerman for what I did, I condoned the media for how they handled the case, often trying to constantly frame it as a race issue, when they shouldn't have, and constantly ignoring important pieces of the case when they were inconvenient for them and their narrative of martin being a innocent and pure victim, like when Rachel Jeantel gave her testimony, and it got little coverage as she practically sunk the defenses case. Stuff like that, really takes away from the true crime, that a law that basically removes the punishment for any form of excessive force people may use in their actions, is what has allowed zimmerman to go free. But no, instead we focus on racist zimmerman and pure, innocent, trayvon.

Zimmerman may not be racist, but he isn't in the right, and I didn't say he was for shooting the kid. If he really wanted to defend the community by watching the neighborhood, maybe he should have taken some damn self-defense classes or learned to not need to use his gun for dealing with someone armed with a bag of skittles and an arizone canned drink. This death didn't need to happen, trayvon didn't need to die, but I'm not going to pretend he's some goddamn martyr or innocent child who did no wrong in his life. He should have been dealt with by the actual police, who probably could have lead to him, if anything, being arrested at the most, and getting home safe at the least, where he would proceed to do whatever the **** he does, because he's young and dumb and apparently has a huge obsession with woman, but who doesn't?

But my words are wasted, becasue I know I've already been labeled as a racist south supporter on these forums. I just know it, haven't even gotten a chance to rp and I can tell my welcome will be less than warm come the timeskip and more a "Why don't you get out of here, boy?" scenario. You raise good points about zimmermans character, and if anything, I would say neither of them are good, but neither of them are evil, both just very misguided, and that it led to a very bad and sad thing happening. If this counts as being antagonistic, and I get banned for this, than so be it. But I don't like backing down on a point, and while I do indeed suck at explaining myself, both verbally and in text form, I've done as best I can. And that, I will take solace in at least.

TL:DR version: I never said zimmerman was right in shooting trayvon, or that he shoudln't have been punished. Just that this wasn't a racial crime like the media framed it as. And I certainly never said anything about trayvon beyond that I didn't feel he was a good kid. I feel personally insulted by what you typed about me, and I hope my explinations for why I feel the way I do help you understand. I don't know if, by disagreeing with you, I have destroyed my chances of being able to rp here by putting me on some "do not rp with" list. But if that is the case, so be it, at least I contributed something, if only as someone to be mocked forever as "that one loser with the racist view who got kicked".

 

[BLADE]

So you just ignoring the part where trayvon had stolen jewelery from multiple people, all of who had reported it stolen days ago, because it makes him look bad, and instead just focus on his minor crime of graffiti to try and dismiss the greater point that trayvon was, in fact, guilty of the very thefts that zimmerman suspected him of.

The punishment for theft... is DEAAAAAAAATHHHHHH.

Class act man. And tell me something, what kind of well behaving kid brings a screwdriver to school in his bag in 2011? Did you ever bring repair tools with you to school?

Well there is this thing called shop class.

Also, I hear it's even classier to call the dead lying thieves/thugs.

Is this a common thing now that I missed in my luxuries public education in high school back in 2008?

Possibly. Also spelling. Empathy.

Also, you seem to mention a lot about what zimmerman is, but not a lot about what trayvon was like in school. Signing up for mixed martial arts, fair to do.

Honkudo

• White person's deflection of attention to try and score HAAIII RACIAL POINTS. Also involves a lot of homoerotic grappling.

But also prone to extreme bouts of violence and anger, which he happened to tweet about often. Also he got high a lot, which he would tweet, including one that pretty much spells is out well.

"RT @TheyHATEShAHeED: Its crazy how i was jus pissed off,snappin…then i smoked..now im happy:) ha"

REEFER MADNESS.

This wasn't me writing this or fake or anything. This was a tweet from him, from his account, in his words.

Chilling.

It says a lot about his character when you get to see what type of things he put out for the world to see about himself. Also you than have the fact the witness for his defense admitting to lying about her testimony. Than the fact that trayvon himself, on the phone, said he was going to go and beat up zimmerman for following him.

Actually he complained about being followed by a creepy-ass cracker. So either he was referring to an anthropomorphic Ritz Square with a rapey grin on its face, or Zimmerman.

Combined with the injuries zimmerman sustained, I'd say he may have very well been defending himself from trayvon martin, who may have rightly felt intimidated by zimmerman following him and decided to per-emptively strike. All we know is that trayvon struck first, and zimmerman fired the shot.

Light injuries which were, according to the medical examiner, not life-threatening. And we also don't know definitively who struck first, nor in fact why it would matter, since one of them took light injuries and the other one DIED.

Now, what I find more than a little irksome, and pretty downright insulting, is all the stabs and implications you keep throwing at me to paint me as a racist white supporter.

Quoting you is indeed a racist Obama tactic.

In fact you come close to calling me a downright call me a racist in your post, by insinuating I trust white people more than black people based on the color of their skin or some other arbitrary distinction.

Indeed. Arbitrarily quoting your words like some sort of out of control quoter. My wife left me for my quoting. I'd have wild parties where I would snort epigrams off of the asscracks of strippers. I would shoot up Bon Mots, all in a rapid bid to follow that wordy high. But it all leaves man, it all leaves. And I'm all alone.

All because I have an opinion in the case different from yours. And your assumptions of my points, and my ethnicity, are most irritating. Is this what a full law school education teaches you? To launch accusations about people you've only just meet, over a disagreement?

It also teaches me how to bill people for it. That'll be eight hundred dollars.

So to start, I'm a hawaiian japaenese portuguese. Not a caucasian, unless you count the portuguese in the european ethnicity and not the more spanis/latin ethnicity.

My level of caring is high as appetizing as ambrosia-flavored poke sushi.

I know what racism feels like, felt it whenever some asshole marine on his off time gave me and my brother dirty looks whenever we were in a 7ll and they came from the damn base on scholchild to my small town of wahiawa.

A guy gave you a dirty look? Oh man, truly you are the real victim here. You are Trayvon.

I take offense to you disrespecting my post and than implying I saw trayvon as some black radical "shaka zulu" who needed to be put down for the safety of the white america.

Too true. He was more like a radical Black Tim Allen, with his power tools and stuff.

Calling george zimmerman a racist takes away from the bigger issue at hand, that being that the "stand your ground" law, is in it of itself, a bad idea.

The two are not exclusive. That a racist can take advantage of a racist power structure is germane.

And that it lead to unnecessary deaths, like the death of trayvon martin. Now, in my post, I never defended zimmerman for what I did, I condoned the media for how they handled the case, often trying to constantly frame it as a race issue, when they shouldn't have, and constantly ignoring important pieces of the case when they were inconvenient for them and their narrative of martin being a innocent and pure victim, like when Rachel Jeantel gave her testimony, and it got little coverage as she practically sunk the defenses case.

A teenager not being innocent and pure? MON DIEU.

Again, it's kinda hilarious that you don't get how racist it is that the burden of proof on Trayvon is that he needed to be a perfect angel to not get a bullet to the chest from some self-appointed John Wayne wannabe. Also sad. But mostly hilarious because of your self-righteousness. Take it away, internet-dumbs!

Stuff like that, really takes away from the true crime, that a law that basically removes the punishment for any form of excessive force people may use in their actions, is what has allowed zimmerman to go free. But no, instead we focus on racist zimmerman and pure, innocent, trayvon.

See above. Also.

*Points and laughs*

Zimmerman may not be racist, but he isn't in the right, and I didn't say he was for shooting the kid.

It only took you several tortured paragraphs hyperventilating about how Trayvon Blofeld could take down MI6 with his drillbits and blackety-blackness.

If he really wanted to defend the community by watching the neighborhood, maybe he should have taken some damn self-defense classes or learned to not need to use his gun for dealing with someone armed with a bag of skittles and an arizone canned drink. This death didn't need to happen, trayvon didn't need to die, but I'm not going to pretend he's some goddamn martyr or innocent child who did no wrong in his life.

Right. Because it's completely irrelevant to the case. And you're an asshole for mentioning it in the first place. A multiethnic asshole. Que diversidad!

He should have been dealt with by the actual police, who probably could have lead to him, if anything, being arrested at the most, and getting home safe at the least, where he would proceed to do whatever the **** he does, because he's young and dumb and apparently has a huge obsession with woman, but who doesn't?

I too have a huge obsession with woman. I speak dumb. SHOW ME YOUR STINK VAGINA CREVICE.

But my words are wasted, becasue I know I've already been labeled as a racist south supporter on these forums.

Awwww, but I haven't even gotten out my Communist Label-Maker!

I just know it, haven't even gotten a chance to rp and I can tell my welcome will be less than warm come the timeskip and more a "Why don't you get out of here, boy?" scenario.

trolololol

Then you get raped on a pinball machine, right?

You raise good points about zimmermans character, and if anything, I would say neither of them are good, but neither of them are evil, both just very misguided, and that it led to a very bad and sad thing happening. If this counts as being antagonistic, and I get banned for this, than so be it. But I don't like backing down on a point, and while I do indeed suck at explaining myself, both verbally and in text form, I've done as best I can. And that, I will take solace in at least.

I'm not an admin. Why would I ban you?

TL:DR version: I never said zimmerman was right in shooting trayvon, or that he shoudln't have been punished. Just that this wasn't a racial crime like the media framed it as. And I certainly never said anything about trayvon beyond that I didn't feel he was a good kid. I feel personally insulted by what you typed about me, and I hope my explinations for why I feel the way I do help you understand. I don't know if, by disagreeing with you, I have destroyed my chances of being able to rp here by putting me on some "do not rp with" list. But if that is the case, so be it, at least I contributed something, if only as someone to be mocked forever as "that one loser with the racist view who got kicked".

Uh-huh.

Pro-tip: Trayvon's personal history had ****-all to do with this case. Zimmerman's did, because he was the one who had the agency of life and death here. If you don't get this, you are an apologist for a white supremacist power structure, no matter how tan you may or may not be.

That's all there is to it.

STAND YOUR GROUND YO!

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

My first day posting here, and it's already led to this. [overly dramatic picture removed]

I'm just going to go. Sorry for wasting everyones time.

Edit: this post is not a good post. and I apologize for that. please ignore.

 

[Lucid]

Don't be a drama whore. The free topics section of this board gets pretty rowdy sometimes. Just back off for now, let things calm down, write some RP threads then come back to this.

Just don`t leave over an internet disagreement.

Just wait until the annual gay-rights debate happens...EVERYBODY comes out of the woodwork for that.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm sorry.

 

[Blaxican]

If it makes you feel any better, the majority of the member base here consists of either angry nerds, like myself, or self-righteous college students majoring in Wal-Mart degrees.

Keep that in mind and do not let the ruffians get to you, my tender-sweet son.

 

[Shiuzu]

If it makes you feel any better, the majority of the member base here consists of either angry nerds, like myself, or self-righteous college students majoring in Wal-Mart degrees.

Keep that in mind and do not let the ruffians get to you, my tender-sweet son.

I have a foreign degree in Target.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm...working in a government degree. So pretty much a BA in will work for food signs.

 

[Kaeb]

I'm sorry.

You're sorry for having an ill informed opinion?

Don't be, become informed, educate yourself, that's the whole point of many of our debates in the first place.

 

[Chairdor]

I have a foreign degree in Target.

Fancy

 

[Emerald Iris]

And this article is one of the many reasons why I will never join either of the two parties and just remain a conservative Independent.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

And this article is one of the many reasons why I will never join either of the two parties and just remain a conservative Independent.

Good call, really.