Dawn of the Republic - Gray Jedi Order Idea

[Dravro ordo]

Nice Gray Jedi order After get my charater storyline moving in the NTL I problay turn him into a Gray jedi or jedi that becomes a gray jedi one of the two depends on how his story goes.

 

[Kibagami]

I didn't know we were a room full of elephants, but be that as it may, the law of the land has now been chiseled in stone so be sure to read it! (idk how to link it here so Timeline Announcements>Force Powers>page 4>comment #69 the wall of text, you can't miss it.) We might even ask G.Ranger if we can copy it for the official Indie write-up.

This shouldn't at all effect the way we RP(though maybe we'd have to slightly change a precept here or tenet there in terms of philosophy) since we're mostly just a bunch of Relic Hunters who want to keep the Force whole rather than divided in two. Most of what is stated should be common knowledge but to those who didn't know, now you do, and knowing is half the battle!

As G.Ranger explained, the Darkside is nothing to sneeze at. In the Triple Threat fight thread I was asked why I used a Taser Baton instead of Force Lightning, well, in a nutshell, this^ is why. It corrupts!
With each Force ability, act or decision that's malicious, dishonest or otherwise harmful in some way to somebody, I like to represent that Darkside corruption as old scars opening up again, be it physical, mental or emotional. Bleeding from the eyes and ears and/or becoming violently ill can be additional results of extreme usage, like murder. Afterwards, it would take extensive mediation in the Light as well as some outside Force Healing to repair the damage and bring him back from the brink of utterly falling to the Darkside. Now I haven't done anything like this on this site and I have IC reasons for why Jubei has been able to skirt the dark in the past, but I don't recommend anyone doing this, bending the rules like this by going back and forth between light and dark isn't favorable to your character(Jubei has been completely broken more than once and has been very close to suicide because of it) or in the eyes of the Admins. Don't do it.

Having said that, be careful in the ways you use the Force, even excessive/extreme use of the Lightside can lead to delirious psychotropic-like euphoria or the belief that everyone should be just as happy as you are and you'll do anything to make that belief a reality, neither of which are generally desirable or terribly helpful. Balance is the name of our game.

 

[Lamper]

I'm still curious to see what you guys do with this in light of recent developments. If nothing else, that massacre's staying alive in my character's bio so - keep me posted on that front @The Prophet ;)

 

[Diva]

I don't see these new force rules as any kind of hinderance. I for one never thought of this as an excuse to have Vit'al zipping about throwing force lightning one moment and then healing everyone the next. That is ludicrous on a very common sense level. Balance is not achieved by sprinting from one side of a see saw to the other. It is alway by sitting in the center. There are plenty of "force powers" (I hate that label anyway) that are neither light nor dark. In fact I would argue the most frequently used ones almost all are. I was under the impression the Fulcrum heavily discourages manipulation of another sentients mind, prophecy, corruption... all of these disrupt true balance. These new rules only serve us better, and force us to write more creativiley! Win Win Win baby.

 

[Lamper]

I don't see these new force rules as any kind of hinderance. I for one never thought of this as an excuse to have Vit'al zipping about throwing force lightning one moment and then healing everyone the next. That is ludicrous on a very common sense level. Balance is not achieved by sprinting from one side of a see saw to the other. It is alway by sitting in the center. There are plenty of "force powers" (I hate that label anyway) that are neither light nor dark. In fact I would argue the most frequently used ones almost all are. I was under the impression the Fulcrum heavily discourages manipulation of another sentients mind, prophecy, corruption... all of these disrupt true balance. These new rules only serve us better, and force us to write more creativiley! Win Win Win baby.

In my mind, it changes how this particular sect of "Gray Jedi" separate themselves from the Jedi. Instead of being sort of in the middle, seeing Jedi and Sith as extremes (unless I'm misunderstanding your guys' intent which is entirely possible), those of the Fulcrum will now be defined by my estimation as even more extreme than the Jedi in terms of passivity.

I guess it depends on what the Jedi announcement entails and what they view as necessity in the Force to defeat the Sith, but if these Gray Jedi think the Jedi are too reckless or go too far or whatever then the Fulcrum would be even less likely to include any Dark Side philosophy or taint; which would not counsel balance but monk-like purity. That is unless the Fulcrum does counsel mild use of the Dark Side in the removal of infantile labels such as Light and Dark as just "The Force" as not a two-sided coin but one amalgamation of fluid singularity. But then that belief would betray the mindset that protests the Jedi's believed severity in the Origin of the Gray Jedi in the OP I think.

 

[Diva]

That is unless the Fulcrum does counsel mild use of the Dark Side in the removal of infantile labels such as Light and Dark as just "The Force" as not a two-sided coin but one amalgamation of fluid singularity. But then that belief would betray the mindset that protests the Jedi's believed severity in the Origin of the Gray Jedi in the OP I think.

Took me a minute to make figure out your meaning, but yeah that one. The force does not have sides. Everything so far implise that the DOTR Jedi are super militarized, and extremely zealotous. Both the Sith and the Jedi want to wipe each other out, or "cleanse" the galaxy of the other side. I'm not clear on what is being undermined in the origin story. First of all, it is not finished yet, and second of all I recently confirmed with @The Prophet that Vit'al, who was raised grey, and possibly and other figure from his story are going to be directly involved in the founding of the Fulcrum.

There is another faction called The Accord being developed by @Outlander I believe, and It just accured to me that the Fulcrum, though less public and much smaller at the moment, might function in a similar way, but regarding the force. I'm sure I'm gonna get yelled at for that comment, but whatevs.

Anyway, its not that we consider violence abhorent, or even death. In a sense we may be sort of warrior-monkish, but not budhist, by any means. We are not interested in politics, only the forces will. Jedi wiping out a settlement because there is a minor dark side corruption? The goal is to cripple the sith, not serve the force, pretty cut and dry. We also focus on containing and destroying force relics/artifacts, as they are all pretty huge corruptions of the force, or at least lead to pretty heafty corruption of the force by allowing someone to weild them.

 

[Lamper]

Took me a minute to make figure out your meaning, but yeah that one. The force does not have sides.

Jedi wiping out a settlement because there is a minor dark side corruption? The goal is to cripple the sith, not serve the force, pretty cut and dry. We also focus on containing and destroying force relics/artifacts, as they are all pretty huge corruptions of the force, or at least lead to pretty heafty corruption of the force by allowing someone to weild them.

To clarify, I'm speaking to these points. If the Fulcrum protests the Jedi's wiping out a settlement because there is even just a hint of dark side corruption, believing the Jedi themselves are in essence corrupted or equally perilous to said corruption - why would those Fulcrum Jedi believe in tenets that permit or even encourage use of dark side energies (even if they call it something different it's still the same thing according to new admin rules) that would corrupt Fulcrum users into exhibiting the very same dark behaviors. It's contradicting.

To paraphrase something I think Green Ranger said, to think oneself impervious to the "taint" that is the dark side's corruption is to invite certain corruption. You can't escape it. And to pretend it won't get you is foolish. The Fulcrum (if I'm understanding the Fulcrum's philosophy correctly) believes there is no dark side, only the Force, and therefore dabble in powers that would otherwise be deemed of the dark side. Thus the conundrum.

I get that you're saying the Fulcrum Jedi would be more relaxed in a sense and less aggressive, perhaps almost counseling a detached mentality from the Force altogether; which would lead to a Gray Jedi group who use the Force less than either the Jedi or the Sith. But a philosophy based on contradiction merits potential alteration. And that's all I'm sayin brotha ;)

It would seem to me that the implication of the word "gray" would then not apply to the Fulcrum if they didn't use any dark side powers and would force the Fulcrum to be more of a detached and pure group for the philosophy to be sound. That or the Fulcrum would not protest the Jedi massacre for the reasons they do. It just seems like the Fulcrum, under the guide of the new established swrp canon concept of the Force, would be less unique in it's own identity separate from the Jedi Order and it's own internal variations that are bound to already exist. Tho I could just be really nitpicking here...lol

 

[Eagei]

I think you are off the mark, I know there's quite a bit of posts but I had to read through almost all of it to understand.

 

[Diva]

@Eagei Who/ what specifically is off the mark?

 

[Jax Vos]

To clarify, I'm speaking to these points. If the Fulcrum protests the Jedi's wiping out a settlement because there is even just a hint of dark side corruption, believing the Jedi themselves are in essence corrupted or equally perilous to said corruption - why would those Fulcrum Jedi believe in tenets that permit or even encourage use of dark side energies (even if they call it something different it's still the same thing according to new admin rules) that would corrupt Fulcrum users into exhibiting the very same dark behaviors. It's contradicting.

To paraphrase something I think Green Ranger said, to think oneself impervious to the "taint" that is the dark side's corruption is to invite certain corruption. You can't escape it. And to pretend it won't get you is foolish. The Fulcrum (if I'm understanding the Fulcrum's philosophy correctly) believes there is no dark side, only the Force, and therefore dabble in powers that would otherwise be deemed of the dark side. Thus the conundrum.

I get that you're saying the Fulcrum Jedi would be more relaxed in a sense and less aggressive, perhaps almost counseling a detached mentality from the Force altogether; which would lead to a Gray Jedi group who use the Force less than either the Jedi or the Sith. But a philosophy based on contradiction merits potential alteration. And that's all I'm sayin brotha ;)

It would seem to me that the implication of the word "gray" would then not apply to the Fulcrum if they didn't use any dark side powers and would force the Fulcrum to be more of a detached and pure group for the philosophy to be sound. That or the Fulcrum would not protest the Jedi massacre for the reasons they do. It just seems like the Fulcrum, under the guide of the new established swrp canon concept of the Force, would be less unique in it's own identity separate from the Jedi Order and it's own internal variations that are bound to already exist. Tho I could just be really nitpicking here...lol

First of all it's Fulcrum not Fulcrum Jedi. The two together are very aggravating and contradict the purpose of The Fulcrum. Second being gray would be more of a philosophical position that states that use of either is corruptible and therefore one should strive to only use powers that are not limited by sides. Basic powers would pretty much be the only thing available to this group. And I can't even go into how off you are in some statements (though that may be due to how tired I am right now).

 

[Eagei]

@Lamper, sorry. I can understand where his confusion comes from, I at one point was planning on running a mentality of 'the force is not inherently good or evil' but with the new rules it is a lot harder to go with it. Of course he will still make the argument he's not going to be able to practice it as well.

But that is my characters personal beliefs, not that of the Fulcrum. In my opinion, feel free to tell me if I am wrong, but as the name suggest the Fulcrum sits in the middle of the gage of the force, we focus mainly on the middle of the spectrum 'force powers' but I imagine each individual will have a side that they tilt more words but I also imagine any characters who tilt twords the dark side, like Vi'tal said, will have to spend a lot of time meditating.

 

[Lamper]

First of all it's Fulcrum not Fulcrum Jedi. The two together are very aggravating and contradict the purpose of The Fulcrum. Second being gray would be more of a philosophical position that states that use of either is corruptible and therefore one should strive to only use powers that are not limited by sides. Basic powers would pretty much be the only thing available to this group. And I can't even go into how off you are in some statements (though that may be due to how tired I am right now).

In putting the two terms together I only meant to refer to members of the Fulcrum when they were still Jedi - before they became Fulcrum. But I get your point. Consider it taken. And your second point answers my concern, one I didn't have an answer for 'cause I thought the Fulcrum might've wanted to be balanced in the sense of drawing from both the dark and the light - but as you say will draw from neither more likely and mainly use what was once termed as neutral. And that makes sense. An it also keeps the Fulcrum's philosophy pure and in line with their protests of the Jedi's massacre. And that's all I was looking to clarify.

Plus I gotta say, I've been workin on my zealous knight's mentality for a bit now and that could totally be why I'm carping lol.

 

[RedneckLoves]

I have a character I've been toying with that would fit with this faction's ideology very well. She's from a remote planet with their own "witch" religion. She's kind of like the chosen one or whatever for her tribe, when almost everyone dies from a poisoned water source. She can't stay on her planet because no other tribe will allow her to grow in her powers, for they have their own religious leaders already. So she strikes out on her own, wandering... She could easy meet up with a member of this faction and join up.

I've always like the idea of "neutral" force users, rather than all good or all evil.

 

[Diva]

@RedneckLoves Welcome to the fold sister, we don't have a witch yet.

 

[RedneckLoves]

@Vit'al Sythani Cool, thank you :)

 

[SpaceMocha92]

Definitely for Jace, as an ex-Sith, the Dark Side taint will be heavy on him. I'll be altering his outlook with this.

 

[Diva]

@SpaceMocha92 Jace has alot in common with Vit'al. Histotian, love of animals... are you sure he doesn't want to be on of Vit'al's Venators? Hmm?

 

[Eagei]

By the way, I am still needing to set up with someone who is going to be discovering my Temple of Adega.

For those who haven't seen my previous post, the Temple Of Adega I going to be a 'worship' area dedicated to the force, more specificaly the crystal which are used to craft the sabers which the temple is built in the mouth of a catacomb like cave that is rich with crystals.

And I was thinking, if the elders of the fulcrum like the idea of course, it could be the ceremonial crafting place for the members.

 

[Diva]

@Eagei I didn't see and now cannot find that Temple of Adega post, but if that thing is approved, I'd be delighted to have Vit'al investigate it.

 

[Hector Raegus]

I might be interested in having my Trandoshian force user be a Fulcrem