Felucia - Dirty Tactics OOC

[Flamjetxx]

SoI was going to post a novella with my attempts to explain where I thought Troapa was, but I think it has even less of a point now that Lamper is rcovering...

I imagine that postponing the duel isn't an optin since we don't know exactly if Lamper will even be back soon enough. I have a feeling that Sreeya is all Gung Ho ;) and will continue the duel regardless, but JIC, Troapa's IC offer is extended to My personal OOC offer of letting you/her (Shae) escape, but ICly, Corvo will still attempt to kill her during her escape since it was a private message from Troapa to Shae.

Anyway Sreeya, if you are still up to it, just posting will answer us.

 

[Sreeya]

I don't think we should auto lose because of this. We can either put someone else in Lamper's stead, take one of you out and make this a 1 v 1 or just take this fight out entirely. Us escaping means we forfeit and that shouldn't be forced.

 

[Phoenix]

I don't know how this is usually handled. I won't be able to do it if we postpone due to IRL stuf, but i could probably step out if we really need to turn it into 1v1.

 

[Sreeya]

I'm fine voiding the fight entirely. I won't be able to do it if we postpone either (wedding is coming up).

Thought @Bauren and @Sapphire Storm?

 

[Flamjetxx]

I'm fine voiding the fight entirely. I won't be able to do it if we postpone either (wedding is coming up).

Thought @Bauren and @Sapphire Storm?

I'm fine with voiding it out, but I do want to PvP against you eventually Sreeya ;)
This is a 2 for two, where somethin comes up in our fights, lmao.

I only say to void it out, because it would be unfair to have anyone leave the fight whether they want it to or not -not just Sreeya-; And adding someone into the duel at this point would be awkward/ far less favorable per indivual positioning for whoever joins and all of us together, since the entire duel up to this point is essentially setting up for the fight that literally hasn't even begun yet... ( the future, I think that the stage and locations of the contestants should be established in the OP made by whoever is in charge of these PvPs. It jsut avoids all the randomness in set up we unintentionally went through here).

Starting a new duel on the other hand is an option, even if it doesn't include the same people. Edit: If voided and restarted, this should provably not include any of tthe same people, but a fresh deck of cards.

 

[Oreus]

Personally I lean more towards letting Lamper have retreated to the shuttle pick up an @Sreeya can choose to go on alone or retreat as well. Sith happens. Losing a duel is fine. Not like we're playing some intense game of risk. I am OK if you want to take it as a Jedi loss for some bad RL luck and we will try to get an epic duel from y'all later.

 

[Sapphire Storm]

If everyone's happy to continue as is and do as Bauren suggested, then I'm okay with that. If you'd all rather we void it and begin a new one I'm okay with that, as well.

I don't know how this is usually handled. I won't be able to do it if we postpone due to IRL stuf, but i could probably step out if we really need to turn it into 1v1.

I feel like this is a bit of a unique situation and there probably isn't a usual way it's handled. Usually if someone pulls out I would assume the fight would continue without them or be considered a loss for their faction if their allies didn't want to continue. This is different, however, since Lamper pulling out was because of an injury and not because of some less serious issue like a disagreement or something.

@Sreeya @Bauren Considering the Jedi are the ones that would be taking the disadvantage or loss on this one if we decided to continue, I feel like the decision on whether to void it or continue is best left up to you guys, since you're the ones looking to lose something, depending on the decision.

 

[Oreus]

Okay after discussing with a few people, I think we'll be tossing another fighter into the ring so we dont have to ruin the party. As the real fight has no started, @Elijah Brockway will be showing up fashionably late to replace the infamous Lamper. All complaints can be sent directly to Elijah himself.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

i'm the only jedi who hasn't yet gotten into a car accident apparently

and i'm generally the go to "we need a thing done so you get to do it person" in the jedi apparently

yaaay. =P

 

[Phoenix]

Complain complain complain. Ok just kidding, well I think it's your post then @Elijah Brockway

GL HF

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Yeah, I'll read up to figure out where everybody and everything is and I'll make a post later.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Alright; sorry to do this, but I've got the bare bones of my post written up, so I'll be ready to post it tomorrow (48 hour rule starts over because I just joined, right? totally.) Today turned out to be a lot busier than I had originally anticipated (yay for random eventualities!) but I should get a post up tomorrow morning/near noon tomorrow. Just have to pretty up what I have now, so that I'm not posting bullet points of actions for you guys.

 

[Flamjetxx]

@Elijah Brockway
You were incredibly vague as to how your charrie managed to get there. Since everyone is on top of a hill, and your charrie was looking down on them, was it a drop ship?

 

[Arcangel]

i believe he just yoinked out Lamper and placed his character where Lamper's was.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

i believe he just yoinked out Lamper and placed his character where Lamper's was.

This was the idea, kinda implied by the OOC part I included. I figured since nothing much had happened it would make more sense to do that than fabricate some idea of why Lamp's character would have left.

 

[Flamjetxx]

This was the idea, kinda implied by the OOC part I included. I figured since nothing much had happened it would make more sense to do that than fabricate some idea of why Lamp's character would have left.

Okay, at this point, I just want the thread to move, but I had established that Lamper's character was somewhere at the bottom of the hill in a tree rather than in a tree at the top of the hill.
This, btw, was what I was referring to it being awkward for someone else to come into the thread, because I thought that Lamper made a huge error in his posting, that I didn't really care for someone else having to deal with when jumping into the thread.

Edit: I feel that came off cranky; It's late and Baby needs a nap. Sorry for being a pain in the details.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

I was going off of what Phoenix had posted in the previous page of this thread, going with where everybody was; I went through your posts IC and didn't see anything that contradicted that, nor was there anything like that in Lamper, Sreeya, or Phoenix's posts IC.

The post in mind from Phoenix, with important part highlighted:

Hrn, so let's see if i can get everyone's positions right.... Corvo's on top of the hill at the bottom of the picture, initially hidden by foliage until he stands, swivels and fires at Sahe who's a little bit easy of Corvo and creeping up on him.

Troapa is on the other side of the hill (further south and out of the picture frame) and is coming over the hill at the sound of da rancor (hard to miss). Explosions happen and he's still on his way. At this point Shae and Corvo begin to "engage" before Troapa gets there. Aibhne is in a tree further east (right side of picture) of everyone and on top of the hill. Is that where everyone's at?

Small addition: Even if he's at the bottom of that hill rather than the top but still up in a tree, tree = taller than a wookiee or human or what-have-you. So...yeah. He could still be above them, with a line of sight over everybody now that Corvo's revealed himself from the foliage to attack Shae and Troapa seems to be coming rather close to them.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Hey @Flamjetxx, do you think you could at least, in the future, bold/otherwise highlight your actual PvP in your posts? I'm not trying to be insulting here, but assuming that your posts stay similar to what the last couple have been like, I foresee that trawling through your posts to find the bit that actually relates to the fighting going on might be somewhat difficult, and I'd rather not run the risk that I miss something because of the sheer density you write with.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Hey @Flamjetxx, do you think you could at least, in the future, bold/otherwise highlight your actual PvP in your posts? I'm not trying to be insulting here, but assuming that your posts stay similar to what the last couple have been like, I foresee that trawling through your posts to find the bit that actually relates to the fighting going on might be somewhat difficult, and I'd rather not run the risk that I miss something because of the sheer density you write with.

I can give a break down ooc, but not in the actual threads themselves.

Regardless of the quantity of what I write, there is significant enough reason pvp-wise as to why I write it. For example: The high emotional trauma going on within Troapa's mind and the fact that "something else" taking over his mind, though seeming to be some sort of embelishment, is actually setting up for me to reason why Troapa's attack would be so sudden and be extremely difficult to predict. This, btw, was meant to preemptively combat the Force push your charrie made at Troapa.

--- On a separate note, I'd like to point out thqt you yourself said that your charrie dropped from the tree, and without actually stating that he Jumped, like you are saying now, in your current post, he never jumped, but rather dropped. Same thing goes for the Force enhancement of thqt same action. That being said, there is no resistance to the Force pull that Troapa used against him, which also makes the suddenness of the attack all the more difficult to manifest a Force push to combat Troapa. Also, due to there being no other momentum, your charrie is going to land on that tree.

The reason behind this is as simple as this: you changed what you say your charrie did from one post to thie next, after it had bbeen established and accepted by both the attacking and defending.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Actually, I did, in fact, specifically say he leaped. And - coming from a tree, and, from my reading, still a fair distance from Troapa, and then only landing a few meters in front of him (in my post originally, that action having been preempted by yourself) - simple thinking through the post would lead one to the conclusion that he used the Force to do so. Beyond that, he's a highly trained Jedi knowing he's going into battle, which would lead him to be ready to use the Force whenever necessary.

Beyond that, my character never made a Force Push at Troapa, except in retaliation to the grip that was put upon him - something that he'd be able to sense happening and quickly react to, considering that there's been a large basis in legends canon and (iirc) current nucanon regarding one Force user's ability to notice when another one is using the Force against them, even if there's some sort of mental goofiness going on with Troapa which would supposedly make that "hard to predict" (although, again, this was a reaction, not a prediction); as well, I'd be willing to argue that if he's having mental trouble of that sort, having the concentration to effectively use the Force would actually be rather unlikely. However, I didn't disupte that, merely responding the attack.

With a force push against your character, one that, if he either diverts his attention to resist it or allows himself to be hit, will regardless cause him to lose his concentration on Sihkar, thereby negating Troapa's attack, which is the resistance given against the force grip put upon him. Regarding there being no other momentum: The grip on Sihkar and the directed pull into the tree were negated, thereby causing the force that was imparted to Sihkar initially with the pull to carry him in the direction that your post makes it seem it originally did, which was more straight backwards, causing him to flip in the air originally before being directed straight at the tree. This momentum would continue to carry him in the initially backwards direction he was going in, rather than directing him straight at the tree; however, I would be willing to edit that point, because that right there could be a simple misunderstanding of what was happening in your post, because, when you say originally that my character was "ripped backwards" and "with the additional velocity and power of the Force that ripped him from his upright position in the sky, he was instantaneously turned back so that the only thing to look to was the darkened sky," that reads as though he was originally sent mostly-straight back though being slightly forced to flip, before being directed at the dead tree.

So, in actuality, I didn't change anything I said from one post to the next, nor did I attack you in my first post anyways, and you can't pre-empt an attack that hadn't even come yet, revealing a flaw in your own argument there. So, no, there's nothing that I have explicitly contradicted in here. There might be a small misunderstanding regarding the direction of my character into the tree, but other than that, nothing in my two posts or in yours is irreconcilable.

Feel free to respond to this; meanwhile, I have a coule rehearsals to go to. I should be back in a few hours.