Hunting for Wooks

[Fantasy Liver]

@Versok @Sreeya @Relent

Hey so a bit confused about Sreeya’s last post. You mention that the Wookiee’s have returned from their raid and started attacking. This doesn’t really seem to make sense to me considering it’s already been specifically mentioned that the Sith sent scouts out to ensure the Wookiee’s would be on a raid at this time. Indeed, the purpose of coming at this time was to attack the Wookiees when they were at half strength. What would be the point of sending a scouting party if they wouldn’t be sure the Wookiee’s would be gone? Plus wouldn’t the Sith have seen the Wookiee’s boats coming back at a distance since the Sith also just arrived on the beach by boats a few minutes ago? It’s real easy to spot things in the distance when you’re on the ocean. Unless I’m missing something, I really don’t see how the Wookiee’s would also be arriving back

 

[Sreeya]

@Versok @Sreeya @Relent

Hey so a bit confused about Sreeya’s last post. You mention that the Wookiee’s have returned from their raid and started attacking. This doesn’t really seem to make sense to me considering it’s already been specifically mentioned that the Sith sent scouts out to ensure the Wookiee’s would be on a raid at this time. Indeed, the purpose of coming at this time was to attack the Wookiees when they were at half strength. What would be the point of sending a scouting party if they wouldn’t be sure the Wookiee’s would be gone? Plus wouldn’t the Sith have seen the Wookiee’s boats coming back at a distance since the Sith also just arrived on the beach by boats a few minutes ago? It’s real easy to spot things in the distance when you’re on the ocean. Unless I’m missing something, I really don’t see how the Wookiee’s would also be arriving back

It's fluff so npcs engage your npcs. You can't use npcs to gain any kind of advantage in a pvp. Having the wookiees come back early was a story point to realistically explain why your npcs can't intervene in the fight. Whether I include that or not, you can't use your npcs to impact us. Please read and follow the spoiler tag in my reply. @Fantasy Liver

 

[Fantasy Liver]

Okay. I had read the NPC rules but the way I had interpreted them was that you could use them only if you didn’t directly engage PCs or have them do your bidding in unrealistic ways. I was just using them as cover, like one would use a rock but if that’s not cool, that’s fine.

 

[Sreeya]

@Fantasy Liver as... convenient of a defense that is, I'll let it slide. However, do note that two blaster bolts to the arm means the arm is uselessly hanging and she can't do anything with it. She's also in excruciating pain and simply can't spring up and merrily get on a boat to run as if nothing happened. You don't need to edit your post (in fact, you can't since you've already taken the damage and that'd be meta), but I'm telling you exactly how bad she's hurt and to ensure your next post reflects that.

 

[Fantasy Liver]

Gotcha. Figured the arm would be useless

 

[Versok]

Hey, just wanted to say that, since my push got Vendora out of harm's way, she wouldn't be hit by any bolts at all and her arm wouldn't be useless even though Fantasy Liver posted that she was getting hit, since we aren't communicating OOC he didn't know what I was going to do so he tried to make the best out of a very bad situation.

@Sreeya @Fantasy Liver @Relent

 

[Sreeya]

Very well, I can edit my post but know this:

1. @fantasy liver’s arm is useless because he wrote in taking hits. Nothing you do to post changes that. We posted since so we locked in that he takes those hits. As a result the arm is useless.

2. If we have no line of sight on Liver, it means he is in no position to use the saber for defense for you either. He is simply out of harm’s way and out of sight and can’t see us, use the force on us (no line of sight) and we can’t harm him.

I will edit now @Versok

 

[Sreeya]

@Fantasy Liver tagging you to see the ooc cuz my last tag didn’t work

 

[Versok]

Sorry Sree but I am going to fight you on that

While Fantasy liver posted that he got hit by the blaster bolts, you have to take into account that this is a team fight, his turn is also my turn, and because of that, while he posted that he got hit (something that wouldn't technically lock anything, since posts can only not be debatable once they are not from the last turn, because as much as someone writes something) My actions would be happening at the same time as his (In this case, even before, seeing how he only writes about when he gets hit and what he does after). Therefore, my actions should be taken into account since what I am doing is basically interrupting his (Vendora getting hit and asking to get back to the boats being interrupted by Shadzai pushing her), I want to focus on the fact that someone's actions in a PvP can be heavily modified by everyone involved, both enemies and allies, and while it usually changes against them, it can also change in their favor, so, saying that regardless of my actions in the same turn she would still get hit would be basically autohitting.

On the other hand, by "getting her out of harm's way" I meant out of the way of those shots that you fired, not that she is now in a safe place from your shots or out of line of sight, since we are still in the middle of a beach, apologies if I made you think otherwise

@Sreeya

 

[Sreeya]

And it would have worked out exactly like that if you coordinated with @Fantasy Liver before making your post. In order for the scenario you’re describing above to have happened, Liver would have needed to write in that he’s out of range because you are taking action and therefore the bolts whizz by him or some other reason for not taking hits. Or you should have posted first - it’s obvious posting order doesn’t matter when it comes to allies on the same side (several pvps going on right now are doing that).

Once someone declares taking damage, that’s it. Furthermore if you moved that quickly to completely make him avoid all shots, you’re taking all those shots for yourself because you’re certainly not avoiding @relent’s shots to you AND every single one of mine.

@Versok

 

[Fantasy Liver]

I’m fine taking the hits but I just had a question for the future. In future scenarios when someone is sniping one of my characters like how the first attack started in this thread, how do I avoid those hits short of meta gaming. Because there doesn’t seem to be much in-character reason to know a sniper is about to shoot you.

 

[Sreeya]

Your char is a Force sensitive. Both of you are very easily capable of sensing where we are especially as we have intent to harm. Otherwise yeah it’d be pretty unfair to not have a means of acting on it. Instead of calling the men over, another good approach would have been to sense other presences (we can’t mask ourselves) and immediately take cover.

If you were non fs, I wouldn’t have started the way we did. Would’ve been more out in the open.

 

[Sreeya]

@Versok @Fantasy Liver

If you're up for it, I'd be open to making a deal where you guys leave your sabers behind and escape and we stay behind to keep defending the wookiees. That way no one dies.

 

[Versok]

While I would understand if Fantasy falls back, I havent even been hit yet so I can't afford to leave, I am fighting, throw that offer again later if you want.

@Sreeya

 

[Versok]

So, Relent, I may be reading it wrong, but how is your character supposed to move enough to reach the side or back of someone that is around 15 meters away from her before Sreeya's character starts shooting and just by moving from one branch to another?

 

[Versok]

@Relent

 

[Sreeya]

You're misreading it as a total get up and move all the way around move, but she's only moving a little bit to the side on her branch to ensure your back and sides are more in view (which is easy cuz you're crouching down and guarding Fantasy directly in front of us). This was to completely ensure that Fantasy can't magically crop up to interrupt. You have a total of 9 shots coming at you and Fantasy is running away. @Versok

 

[Logan]

So I don't want to be this guy, but even with force speed I don't think you're going to be able to block every single (there are 9 total) blaster shots with some simple arm movements. The timing is such that the first 3-4 shots will be colliding into Shadzai at the exact same time (raz's first two, the first two from my blasters) then he would have to deal with the subsequent four more bolts (two from each of my blasters) coming at him shortly thereafter.

Force speed doesn't make you the Flash (especially considering you had no build up of force prior to this, so you'd be summoning this energy during the time the bolts are flying, then turning to catch them) so I think your description of blocking them all/most of them isn't feasible.

Also insofar as bolts landing go, remember that in this TL armor functions a touch differently (I am not 100% sure if you are wearing armor as of this post) so even if you only get hit by 2-3 bolts, the fact that they are all in the same general vicinity means that Shadzai will be visibly injured if not downed (not dead) by only getting hit by 1/3 of the total shots fired.

I think the fact that you're out in the clear open and in a vulnerable position (one that would inherently limit movement/take time to get into a better position to block blaster bolts) would mean that Shadzai is in a very precarious position (especially considering he's alone now, and a lvl1 character) and would take significant damages.

@Versok

 

[Versok]

So I don't want to be this guy, but even with force speed I don't think you're going to be able to block every single (there are 9 total) blaster shots with some simple arm movements. The timing is such that the first 3-4 shots will be colliding into Shadzai at the exact same time (raz's first two, the first two from my blasters) then he would have to deal with the subsequent four more bolts (two from each of my blasters) coming at him shortly thereafter.

Force speed doesn't make you the Flash (especially considering you had no build up of force prior to this, so you'd be summoning this energy during the time the bolts are flying, then turning to catch them) so I think your description of blocking them all/most of them isn't feasible.

Also insofar as bolts landing go, remember that in this TL armor functions a touch differently (I am not 100% sure if you are wearing armor as of this post) so even if you only get hit by 2-3 bolts, the fact that they are all in the same general vicinity means that Shadzai will be visibly injured if not downed (not dead) by only getting hit by 1/3 of the total shots fired.

I think the fact that you're out in the clear open and in a vulnerable position (one that would inherently limit movement/take time to get into a better position to block blaster bolts) would mean that Shadzai is in a very precarious position (especially considering he's alone now, and a lvl1 character) and would take significant damages.

@Versok

I am not trying to block those bolts individually, as that would be obviously impossible, one by one, you see, what I am trying to do is block them all at the same time, while Raz's shots are directed towards the upper side of the torso (more or less where Shadzai's shoulder is now located) and yours are coming to the side, so what I am trying to do is take advantage of my lightsaber's length and position it in such a way that it is able to block the first volley of shots all at once, something that I think would be possible thanks to the fact that you two are aiming at the same side of Shadzai's body, the arm movement and wrist twisting part comes in when dealing with the second volley of shots in case you were aiming lower or higher, something that isn't implied, but I wrote it anyways just in case because by the time I got to the site to write my response it was a bit too late to ask, but even so, moving your arm upwards or downwards a bit before the bolts hit is something a jedi or sith could probably do, such movements take almost no time yet change the position of the blade greatly. What I am basically doing is putting the lightsaber's blade in such a way that it can block the two spots you are aiming for which are very close to each other (You didn't write you were aiming at different places with your blaster pistols if I read your post correctly).

The force speed thing is something that I did just in order to speed up the movement a bit, to make sure Shadzai could get into position before getting hit, and I guess that's not a problem, since it was not a very complex move anyways, it was not to block each bolt individually or anything like I said before. And I am aware that the armor works different now so don't worry about that, sorry if I made it sound differently

@Relent

 

[Sreeya]

We're not going to see eye to eye on this because I honestly think you should be dead or close to death with the amount of shots coming your way. You can't usually do long sweeping gestures with a saber and say you block literally everything. I'll be reporting this so we don't get into an ugly argument over this since we seem pretty polarized.