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[Syn]

I, for one, vote for battles! Battles with the tactical advantage, of course...

We have no tactical advantage. the biggest would be a basilisk and hardsuit and I have those.

.. Me and deathtoll can take anyone. If Deathtoll is willing to have my back against the sith empire as my fellow knights stay behind worrying about numbers then Deathtoll is all I need.

Maybe we can go by the name of DeathHunter. TollHunter.

Good luck with that maybe work on the name.

or ordotoll

ha

hahahaha funny

or DeathtoOrdo?

I'm new at this...

[shakes head no]

 

[Syn]

he has valid points that support longevity within your faction. I apologize, but I think that his points are more than acceptable, but rather smart. You need to purge your boards of inactive members than establish a more organized forums board(each section), fix your ranks, and solidify standings with your alliances.(mando, jedi, alliance)

Blue you give up my tactical plan you traitor.... Kidding that should have been the obvious thing to do.

 

[DeathToll]

We have no tactical advantage. the biggest would be a basilisk and hardsuit and I have those.

Tactical advantage does not mean "who has the bigger gun". I refer to prudent planning and the advantage of surprise, not a straight up british stand-off.

 

[HunterOrdo]

.. tactical advantage.. you guys are aware that we are rebels correct? We are fighting at a disadvantage. IC and NPC we only have 1000 members. We are a rebel force. We are not meant to have a large army, we are not meant to have cool gadgets like tanks and warships, we are not meant to outnumber, hell, we are meant to be lucky to have the same numbers on a battle field.

A skirmish can be an ambush. A skirmish can be a raid. It does not have to be some open field engagement. If you want a tactical advantage earn it through tactics and guerrilla warfare as rebels are meant to do.

If we are to be rebels, we need to fight. We are not meant to sit around asking the republic (god forbid) or the mandos for aid. We are meant to fight the vastly superior Empire with a tiny force. It is what we do. If that is not what you thought we would be doing then join the Jedi who have the numbers you want.

I, for one, am willing to fight knowing that I am outnumbered and outgunned because its what IK do. We go in the underdog and kick Sith ***.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

No... tactical advantage is an out of character thing.
You need more members, and for those members to be promoted. If there's only two or three people participating than I'm sorry, but you're going to get roflstomped.

i think the saddest part of this is that im not even an imperial knight and I can see how jacked up the faction is right now. Whether it be from growing pains or bad high command.

 

[Dmitri]

No... tactical advantage is an out of character thing.
You need more members, and for those members to be promoted. If there's only two or three people participating than I'm sorry, but you're going to get roflstomped.

And with an attitude like yours, it'll of course go down hill. If you have such good ideas, then by all means share them.

 

[Syn]

But Deathtoll how long before the Empire realizes we are coming at them in confined area's or under cover of darkness? We use the element of surprise quickly and then they'll start working on forcing us into places they have the advantage. And the numbers are always a factor doesn't matter as you can't be in every skirmish.

Hey be nice, she is only saying what I have been saying for nearly two weeks. Just slightly more sexy and refined.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

i already did. Maybe you should read upwards some.

Your faction's forum board is unorganized and a mess. It makes understanding your faction difficult and confusing.
I refuse to join your little rebellion group until I can understand it by reading it for myself in the forums.

Until your forums aren't confusing, than your argument is invalid imho

 

[Dmitri]

i already did

Yes, you want me to promote everyone. Sorry, but I will only promote those who deserve it. I know you're good friends with Syn, and if your motive for that suggestion was in hopes of promoting Syn, I'm afraid it won't work, as I consider promotions using both IC and OOC material, and the latter isn't so good for Syn. This is not a threat to either of you, but a statement of fact.

Yes, there will be promotions, but only after members have been looked after.

As for the skirmish that I'm talking to the Empire about, we have discussed having it be between prospects/acolytes.

Yes, it's true we can't just continually do the same thing over and over again, but you need to realize that we can't do anything without intel. Our first couple battles shall be a test of strength, to find out their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

Yes, you want me to promote everyone. Sorry, but I will only promote those who deserve it. I know you're good friends with Syn, and if your motive for that suggestion was in hopes of promoting Syn, I'm afraid it won't work, as Syn is currently in consideration for being expelled. This is not a threat to either of you, but a statement of fact.

Yes, there will be promotions, but only after members have been looked after.

As for the skirmish that I'm talking to the Empire about, we have discussed having it be between prospects/acolytes.

Yes, it's true we can't just continually do the same thing over and over again, but you need to realize that we can't do anything without intel. Our first couple battles shall be a test of strength, to find out their strengths and weaknesses.

ha, i love how you're completely wrong. Yes, I get it, I understand that running a faction is difficult, and even more so when youre having this large amount of growing pains and people running to you about the problems. But you're the FL so deal with it.
No actually, I'm not in accordance with syn and I did not state and you could not even infer from my post that i wanted you to unfairly promote faction members. I also did not even know of any of syn's business within you... once again, little rebellion.
And no, I do not see this as a threat as like I stated earlier I do not want to have anything to do with the imperial knights until some things are changed. I do apologize for 'hassling' you so much, but these are also all fact.

I went to attempt to make a imperial knight today, looking to your forums for information about the faction, and instead I found myself asking myself what the hell I was looking at. I read around some, I kind of understand the faction, but I understand even more that you've got some major problems on your hands and they need to be fixed.

 

[HunterOrdo]

... This seems more like a mini coup d'etat then suggestions.

So your Suggestions:
Clean up the forum Board (which confuses me a little. Did you mean have information on the knights on the main threads?...)
Promote people (Im with Wiess on this. People should earn the rank. If I got the Knight rank simply because we needed more. Id be.. disappointed.)
Allies (This should be held off until after a Envoy has been chosen, who can do the talks IC.)
Hold off battles (again this makes little sense to me. Nothing is wrong with a good small skirmish. We are rebels. We will be outgunned and out-manned, get used to it.)

If that is it then I think it would have been better to say so in a clear manner. Does not mean Weiss will do it, but at least, it doesnt seem like a bloody Coup.

 

[DeathToll]

1. You can plan IC and OOC. Either way you're planning. Either way you're gaining an advantage.

2. Utilizing numbers for a tactical advantage is completely situational. Do you all seriously believe that the Sith walk around in groups of no less than one hundred? No. The Sith are absolutely known to be moving around in groups of two's.

3. HunterOrdo. You and me bro! You and me!

4. This is getting out of hand. If the only suggestions are going to be "stop sucking at life", why give them? From what I'm hearing, SYN is taking some innitiative. This is good. But we should be trying to work together, not keep pulling the floor out from under each other.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

Agreed, although I do agree with the not 'promote everybody' idea that weiss may have misinterpreted my post as. I do think that if things are going to happen than there needs to be a stable high command

 

[Dmitri]

Syn, in case you noticed Chief Chosposi's quote of me, it states that you are in consideration for expulsion. It was a mistake of wording, as I had meant that you are in bad terms with me OOCly; I had realized how badly it sounded and edited it.

... This seems more like a mini coup d'etat then suggestions.

So your Suggestions:
Clean up the forum Board (which confuses me a little. Did you mean have information on the knights on the main threads?...)
Promote people (Im with Wiess on this. People should earn the rank. If I got the Knight rank simply because we needed more. Id be.. disappointed.)
Allies (This should be held off until after a Envoy has been chosen, who can do the talks IC.)
Hold off battles (again this makes little sense to me. Nothing is wrong with a good small skirmish. We are rebels. We will be outgunned and out-manned, get used to it.)

If that is it then I think it would have been better to say so in a clear manner. Does not mean Weiss will do it, but at least, it doesnt seem like a bloody Coup.

Thank you. And the forum does indeed need some cleaning up. If all of you are willing to wait a little bit longer on the extra missions (there's already some present, so it shouldn't be too bad), then I can instead do the board clean-up.

1. You can plan IC and OOC. Either way you're planning. Either way you're gaining an advantage.

2. Utilizing numbers for a tactical advantage is completely situational. Do you all seriously believe that the Sith walk around in groups of no less than one hundred? No. The Sith are absolutely known to be moving around in groups of two's.

3. HunterOrdo. You and me bro! You and me!

4. This is getting out of hand. If the only suggestions are going to be "stop sucking at life", why give them? From what I'm hearing, SYN is taking some innitiative. This is good. But we should be trying to work together, not keep pulling the floor out from under each other.

You are correct. Due to the constant nagging Syn has been doing, and the backstage conspiring, I've let myself be biased towards him. I apologize Syn, and will try to look at your opinions clearer.

Agreed, although I do agree with the not 'promote everybody' idea that weiss may have misinterpreted my post as. I do think that if things are going to happen than there needs to be a stable high command

My apologies for misinterpreting your post then. And you are correct, a stable high command is needed. Xyrael was chosen for his skills, but his inactivity has become a problem, and is being addressed privately. Also, mentioned in "Inactivity", I hope to get couple more leaders chosen.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I’ve been reading this thread, and I have some suggestions:

- There is a valid point being made about needing more members to start being active against the Empire, and there’s an equally valid point about wanting to test the faction’s strengths and weaknesses. You guys are debating this from two different ends, but really you can do both in a middle ground. Go on a promotions and recruitment blitz, get some additional members quickly, and then test the strengths and weaknesses.

- Remove people from the roster who are no longer active. Having a bare bones roster will be scary at first, but it’s better to have a true indication of the faction’s PC strength than to leave up inactive names.

- In the NJO, when we needed higher ranking characters, for awhile we said that we wanted them to earn it, but we ultimately just started promoting people. Find people who are currently going through training in this faction and promote them if they’re capable. Even if they’re midway through training, just started training, etc., promote them. It’s better to auto-promote people now and build your ranks than wait two months for them to go through all their training, during which time the faction stagnates.

- Incentivize recruitment. Let people who are capable RPers skip training and start as Knights and Marshals. As with the previous point, it’s better to let people skip training now so you can fill your ranks with competent people than to let the faction stagnate while you wait.

- Create as many missions as humanly possible, using both yourself, your lieutenants, and anyone else who wants to create missions. This will be easier once you start filling up your ranks, so long as you stick to it and give them things to do.

- Work with players like Chief Chosposi and HunterOrdo, as well as your faction leadership, to help organize the faction’s board better. I haven’t looked around so I don’t know what the issues are myself, but they clearly do. If people are getting confused, that’s a problem.

- Introduce accountability into your leadership. If people aren’t going to be active for a certain period of time, and they don’t have a valid excuse, drop them.


- Even if you feel like someone is coming at you with a bad attitude, don’t respond with one. Treat all suggestions as valid suggestions, and don’t immediately say no to them (unless they’re absurd). Take some time to think about them and give them the consideration they deserve.

 Always be respectful and courteous, because no matter how someone comes across, they wouldn't be giving you suggestions to improve the faction -- so be thankful they want to help improve the faction.

- On that note, if someone is being a complete ass (which no one here is, just to clarify), ignore them. It's not your responsibility to deal with them. You are not the jerk whisperer.

- Be a fun faction leader, and make sure your leadership is fun. That’s a top-down mindset that works.

Ultimately, just remember that as a faction leader, and this is directed at the rest of the faction leadership too, there are always going to be problems to deal with, so go into them with open minds and be ready and willing to tackle them head on. You'll be able to learn through working through them, and it'll get easier as it goes along.

And for those who are in the faction, remember to be supportive of the faction leadership. Bad attitudes don't help anyone, so be helpful, encouraging, and supportive of the faction leader and the rest of the leadership. If you feel that the faction leadership needs to do better, then empower them. Talk to them better than you have in this thread, and it'll be very helpful.

Bac. Out.

 

[HunterOrdo]

See this is nice. No more intense bickering, we can all come together and discuss what we want. We are a small faction, so we can be a little closer then the Sith or Jedi factions... sit around the camp fire.. sing a little kumbaya.

Although about the forum, I remember how hard it was to make my knight because of how it was organized, so I'm in favor of that being worked on. There are plenty of good missions to last us. If you need help writing anything let me know. I can PM it to you, and you can add it in.

 

[Dmitri]

I’ve been reading this thread, and I have some suggestions:

- There is a valid point being made about needing more members to start being active against the Empire, and there’s an equally valid point about wanting to test the faction’s strengths and weaknesses. You guys are debating this from two different ends, but really you can do both in a middle ground. Go on a promotions and recruitment blitz, get some additional members quickly, and then test the strengths and weaknesses.

True, it would be best to have a strong group before going out on test-runs.

- Remove people from the roster who are no longer active. Having a bare bones roster will be scary at first, but it’s better to have a true indication of the faction’s PC strength than to leave up inactive names.

I've been trying to do that a little bit, though I've just been stating who's inactive instead of deleting them. I might go ahead and delete them though.

- In the NJO, when we needed higher ranking characters, for awhile we said that we wanted them to earn it, but we ultimately just started promoting people. Find people who are currently going through training in this faction and promote them if they’re capable. Even if they’re midway through training, just started training, etc., promote them. It’s better to auto-promote people now and build your ranks than wait two months for them to go through all their training, during which time the faction stagnates.

You have a point. I'll check out threads and start handing out promotions like candy.

"Come here, little girl. I have candy." :GL

- Incentivize recruitment. Let people who are capable RPers skip training and start as Knights and Marshals. As with the previous point, it’s better to let people skip training now so you can fill your ranks with competent people than to let the faction stagnate while you wait.

True. You have a point. I'll try this out.

- Create as many missions as humanly possible, using both yourself, your lieutenants, and anyone else who wants to create missions. This will be easier once you start filling up your ranks, so long as you stick to it and give them things to do.

I've been working on a list, and have a thread up here where people are able to post their suggestions/ideas.

- Work with players like Chief Chosposi and HunterOrdo, as well as your faction leadership, to help organize the faction’s board better. I haven’t looked around so I don’t know what the issues are myself, but they clearly do. If people are getting confused, that’s a problem.

They have shown their worth, and Chief Chosposi isn't even a member (I'm not saying you shouldn't be doing this, but stating that (s)he's given some good points when it doesn't even affect them).

- Introduce accountability into your leadership. If people aren’t going to be active for a certain period of time, and they don’t have a valid excuse, drop them.


I've already decided to address this and have contacted Xyrael and some of the Marshals.

- Even if you feel like someone is coming at you with a bad attitude, don’t respond with one. Treat all suggestions as valid suggestions, and don’t immediately say no to them (unless they’re absurd). Take some time to think about them and give them the consideration they deserve.

 Always be respectful and courteous, because no matter how someone comes across, they wouldn't be giving you suggestions to improve the faction -- so be thankful they want to help improve the faction.

I know, and I feel horrible that I've let my emotions cloud my judgements... no... must... resist... Jedi... teachings.... :CRawr

Still, I do feel bad that I've let my emotions blind me and look for infractions that aren't there. For that, I apologize for jumping to conclusions and snapping at both of you, Syn and Chief Chosposi.

- On that note, if someone is being a complete ass (which no one here is, just to clarify), ignore them. It's not your responsibility to deal with them. You are not the jerk whisperer.

*Ignores Brandon*

- Be a fun faction leader, and make sure your leadership is fun. That’s a top-down mindset that works.

Psh, this is SWRP. We don't do 'fun'. We do amazing!

I know I have not been the best faction leader that I can be, and I take full responsibility. I hope to be more active, and more productive, working with you, instead of trying to work for you. Let us build a faction to be feared.

Ultimately, just remember that as a faction leader, and this is directed at the rest of the faction leadership too, there are always going to be problems to deal with, so go into them with open minds and be ready and willing to tackle them head on. You'll be able to learn through working through them, and it'll get easier as it goes along.

Thank you for your help. I hope to learn from this, and be a better faction leader for everyone.

And for those who are in the faction, remember to be supportive of the faction leadership. Bad attitudes don't help anyone, so be helpful, encouraging, and supportive of the faction leader and the rest of the leadership. If you feel that the faction leadership needs to do better, then empower them. Talk to them better than you have in this thread, and it'll be very helpful.

As I stated earlier, I prefer comments and questions. I'd rather have someone report their displeasement than to gossip amongst others. Still, as Syn noticed, I did get a little vexed with him and I apologize; please do not be disswayed from continuing to send your input.

Bac. Out.

And stay out.

...

Please don't hurt me. :CCry2

 

[Brandon Rhea]

They have shown their worth, and Chief Chosposi isn't even a member (I'm not saying you shouldn't be doing this, but stating that (s)he's given some good points when it doesn't even affect them).

Yes but she's a potential member, one who has been turned away due to the organizational problems of the board. It would be worthwhile to speak to her about her suggestions for this matter, because other people probably have the same problems.

 

[HunterOrdo]

Omg Omg Omg Not only was I mentioned by Bac, I was also complimented by Wiess..

:CCry2 dreams do come true.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Omg Omg Omg Not only was I mentioned by Bac, I was also complimented by Wiess..

:CCry2 dreams do come true.

And that's the magic of Disney.

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