Lightsaber Combat circa 1100 ABY

[Taoré Timarick]

Ok, it's been 6 months since I've been on the site and there's clearly been a time jump, which I have no problem with, as my main character (long story short) isn't much different from my old one, except in one fashion: Lightsaber combat.

Much like his predecessor, I've had to basically start from scratch, but he did have (albeit LIMITED) knowledge of saber combat of that era. Are we back to all the various forms of Saber combat, or is it just now Strong Style, Normal Style, Speed Style. (See I know little of the expanded universe after Krayt took over). Help?

 

[Bad Wolf]

I believe there are the seven light saber forms, you can wookiepedia them if you want, there is an alternate version to the 7th form though Juyo is the standard 7th form the alternate is Vaapaad.
Also Atreu the 2 sword form also has a secondary form called Jar'kai.

My knowledge is rusty I don't have a lightsaber wielding character so you might wanna just look it up.

 

[Green Ranger]

The way I look at it, the three saber styles and the saber forms don't exclude each other. The saber styles are different movesets and strikes, but are not definitive 'forms' in their own right.

The Old Jedi Order's lightsaber forms are both an application of the physical and the mental, being as much a philosophy of combat as a practical application.

tl;dr both are acceptable.

 

[Taoré Timarick]

well that's good news, because my character's always been a much more speedy and acrobatic kind of character but in the sense that he's reckless and very aggressive, so in old form senses, he combines Ataru with Juyo, but in new form senses the speed stance. That's always been the character, but with the timeline change, it's been rather jarring since I know even less of the far future as opposed to the past.

 

[Bad Wolf]

based on his recklessness I'd put him more in the Vaapaad style since Juyo takes more focus while Vaapaad tends to be more reckless and aggressive, but yeah Ataru sounds more his style cause Jar'kai again takes alot of focus.

 

[Taoré Timarick]

based on his recklessness I'd put him more in the Vaapaad style since Juyo takes more focus while Vaapaad tends to be more reckless and aggressive, but yeah Ataru sounds more his style cause Jar'kai again takes alot of focus.

Jar'Kai is a dual saber style. My character doesn't use dual sabers. So Ataru was the logical choice. But fair enough, Vaapaad does make more sense.

 

[Green Ranger]

Actually Vaapad is a highly disciplined form. Its not reckless, its honed unpredictability. Not to mention the spiritual drain, as using Vaapad properly brings you dangerously close to the Dark Side.

If you go for recklessness, Id go for Ataru - not Yoda's style, mind you. Look at Obi-Wan and Qui-gon in TPM for a better idea of what I have in mind.

 

[Taoré Timarick]

Actually Vaapad is a highly disciplined form. Its not reckless, its honed unpredictability. Not to mention the spiritual drain, as using Vaapad properly brings you dangerously close to the Dark Side.

If you go for recklessness, Id go for Ataru - not Yoda's style, mind you. Look at Obi-Wan and Qui-gon in TPM for a better idea of what I have in mind.

It's funny how you mention Obi-Wan in EP1, because that was a starting point, but in terms of the more emotionally driven style I used Juyo because it is an aggressive style, the form of aggression, because the character left the order for 7 years, and is now rejoining it, but during his oddessy, he became much more cynical and his personality darkened in subtle ways, which is reflected in his fighting style, so it's really a hybrid.

So to really describe the style, watching the fight between Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul AFTER he cuts the one blade off. The speed increases, the tension rises, and it's just BANG! BANG! BANG! And you can really feel the emotional shift. It's almost like a "OH SHIT!" because Darth Maul just suddenly shifts from dangerous double blades to a "**** me!" moment because he gets faster and more dangerous. So in a sense his standard form would be a rougher form of what Obi-Wan did in EP1, but when he gets aggravated, he shifts into this mode where it's still nimble and aerial in a sense, but much more aggressive.

 

[Green Ranger]

So...yeah Ataru's the one for you then mate.

 

[Taoré Timarick]

So...yeah Ataru's the one for you then mate.

It always was. The whole concept of this thread was this: "What style of saber forms we going with? NJO or Old Republic?"

But yeah, the character's PRIMARY form was always Ataru, that was really a driving force behind the character because he's impulsive and reckless, so I needed a style to show a youthfulness and an energy. Ataru struck that note pefectly. However, since this character is basically an immortal (read the bio in signature below to get what I mean), the backstory to getting to this point is always going to be slightly different, so depending on the incarnation, the secondary style is always going to change, though usually not too far from his character.

Ironically, the first story I ever wrote with this character, his fighting style was to be counterpoint to his best friend, who was more conservative and his fighting style would accordingly adjust. I've always hated that the conservative guy in literature would be the guy to be the hero. I always figured a hero would be someone who yearns for something much bigger than his life, and most people like that are free spirits, hotheads, and a bit of goofs. The conservative guy was great counterpoint to that.

So if the character spent his teenaged years in a self-imposed exile, his personality would take a few hits if he were to go through what he saw, so his style won't be quite as refined, hence why logically he would also start to learn Juyo as a sort of release, kind of like an emergency. Because what are you going to do in emergencies? You'll run on emotions just to survive. So he lets it loose just until he gets the job done. That's where Juyo worked so well as a SECONDARY style.

 

[Bad Wolf]

I always read that Vaapaad was a fairly reckless form because of how close it took you to the darkside, if not done properly (and alot of jedi didn't do it properly) than it could easily cause you to step onto the path of the dark side.

Quinlan Vos trainign with Mace windu during the clone wars is a prime example of how reckless Vaapaad can be.

But i think green ranger is right, Ataru sounds more appropriate.

 

[Taoré Timarick]

But i think green ranger is right, Ataru sounds more appropriate.

I KNOW it is, lol. Ataru is his PRIMARY style and the one he learned prior to leaving the Order to go on his oddessey. Upon his return he needs to relearn his skills and abilities and through that he would LEARN Juyo as a SECONDARY style, which he learns in Knighthood. As I've said before to best describe him in combat would be this: the second half of the fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul after Obi-Wan slices the one blade off of Maul's Lightsaber. Still acrobatic and aerial, but far more aggressive and fast and just "HOLY CRAP!"