Main Battles Moving Forward

[Dmitri]

If a bunch of people end up getting into a PvP scenario organically, or want to create their own PvP threads with lots of people, go nuts.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. Nothing prevents people from organizing duels between each other. Though generally not an issue, I did have a couple people in the past complain to me how they weren't allowed to fight other people outside official duels, which is not the case. Might an invasion require FL approval or oversight? Probably. But PvP in general? Fight to your heart's content. I remember once Mars was going to make a thread where he told all the Jedi to fight him, having the fight Open (though I don't think he went through with it due to time constraints).

 

[Marf]

While I'm sure dealing with character death is a bit different for everyone, I think your reaction is very unique. I still bet that the average SWRPer only needs to experience death once to see that's it's not a huge deal.

It's odd to see anti-PvPers on this site, honestly. I did keep an eye on the timeline, but I really didn't expect the no-death threads to have such an impact on the community. The anti-PvP mindset is alien to me.

Well yes, the average person on this site will tell you that I am a ginormous weirdo. I dislike action or fighting genres, and prefer to write things more akin to adult drama or historical tragedy, or gothic horror with my Sith Sorcerers. I find action or combat about as exciting as watching paint dry (most of the time anyway). I prefer writing social drama, emotional conflict, personal issues, interrelationships, sexual intrigue, scandal, etc.

Honestly, the main reason I avoid battles is not because I'm scared of character death, but because I just find them BORING. I'll start an open thread and get really pumped, then some idiot will start a fight and I'm like "WHY? Our characters could have had an interesting conversation or gone on an adventure together!". So I personally don't believe story development is dependent on combat scenarios, in fact, the latter has often had the opposite effect in my experience.

I liked that there was such a lack of wider activity this timeline because only gave me more free space to work with my own ideas. In fact, I didn't even notice that it was stagnant and didn't understand why everyone else was complaining.

So I'll just quote myself:

I think a large part of getting enjoyment out of the site is not relying so much on admins or FLs to spoon feed you events and conflict. Use your imagination, there's a whole galaxy out there, and it is yours to claim.

So like, sorry I am so odd.

 

[Mog]

It's fantastic that you found what makes you happy on this site. Don't be sorry.

You shouldn't have trouble finding the same happiness in the next timeline. There's only a few rules to adjust to if you're not going to join main scenario threads.

 

[Marf]

@Mog

Oh I'm looking forward to it very much, and I do intend to try and get involved in main threads/battles more often. I started to enjoy RPing combat much more when I made my Sith Warrior character, because it really lets me get into her personality.

 

[Vepos Surge]

@Mr.BossMan
Sounds like it would be hard to organize and take a very long time to finish up unless everybody was active the whole time.

However, if you could actually get something like this going, I'd totally be on board for the hopefully epic experience.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

there's a whole galaxy out there, and it is yours to claim.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's just take it easy there.

@Mr.BossMan
Sounds like it would be hard to organize and take a very long time to finish up unless everybody was active the whole time.

However, if you could actually get something like this going, I'd totally be on board for the hopefully epic experience.

Let me just say this, they call me The BossMan for a reason.

 

[Hatebackwards]

So two of my three characters will not be combat focused and one of them will be an old man. They clearly won't be running into the thick of the battle but if they are attacked do they just die or would NPC body guards or security droids be able to defend them?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

You'd have to fight to try to survive, mostly based on PCs (we're limiting what NPCs can be used for). You may not seek out danger, but that doesn't always mean danger won't seek you out!

 

[Lamper]

Which is a great opportunity to forge relationships in the rp, like hiring a BA soldier or other mercenary to be an actual PC bodyguard. Hm... I might do something like that down the line myself.

 

[Hatebackwards]

The cynic in me says that what I should do to min max this timeline is to ignore role playing entirely and to make all of my characters young, physically able, force users with a variety of military skills because punching someone in the face is what will win.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

Which is a great opportunity to forge relationships in the rp, like hiring a BA soldier or other mercenary to be an actual PC bodyguard. Hm... I might do something like that down the line myself.

That's actually a really interesting idea.

@Hatebackwards I think the whole point of what the admins are doing to change how pvp is done, limiting npcs and making battles not about tech, is to put more emphasis on the writer. My point is just because you are RPing an old man against a trained solider doesn't mean you are going to lose. Yes it might be difficult but if you are the better writer then you could still win.

 

[Saul]

The cynic in me says that what I should do to min max this timeline is to ignore role playing entirely and to make all of my characters young, physically able, force users with a variety of military skills because punching someone in the face is what will win.

If you don't RP, Admins will be called in to rule on major fights, while minor fights will be ignored and never finished. Admins don't look at character sheets to determine the victor. This means you'll lose.

 

[Kiro]

If you don't RP, Admins will be called in to rule on major fights, while minor fights will be ignored and never finished. Admins don't look at character sheets to determine the victor. This means you'll lose.

This. This site uses free-form RP, even in PvP. Which means that you simply have to write your combat scenes better than your opponent. And by that I don't mean being Shakespeare compared to Karen Traviss, but simply write in such a fashion that your opponent makes a mistake, doesn't know how to counter your moves, etc. Obviously, without god-moding or power playing or meta gaming.

 

[Green Ranger]

And, I mean, we are human. As fair as we try to be, we are still prone to forming opinions. And making a blatant powerbuild is generally not going to foster a favorable opinion if we have to rule on a dispute. So making a blatant powerbuild can actually work against you when you think about it.

 

[Hatebackwards]

And making an old man with no training physically best a young force user with a military background is bad writing.

 

[Saul]

And making an old man with no training physically best a young force user with a military background is bad writing.

Tell that to the Jedi Masters Lucas wrote as being killed by Palpatine.

 

[argutator]

Tell that to the Jedi Masters Lucas wrote as being killed by Palpatine.

Palpatine was in no way "untrained"

 

[Mr.BossMan]

I like the idea of having combat be decided "By the better writer." But honestly all that does is screw all of the bad writers on the Site. I'm not a good writer, and I've definitely seen people in my same situation. So really, in a way, this puts a massive handicap on some people. Quite honestly it isn't fair.

It's equal, putting all of us in the same situation. Trying to out-write our peers.
But it isn't fair to some, because some are far better writers than others.

 

[argutator]

I like the idea of having combat be decided "By the better writer." But honestly all that does is screw all of the bad writers on the Site. I'm not a good writer, and I've definitely seen people in my same situation. So really, in a way, this puts a massive handicap on some people. Quite honestly it isn't fair.

It's equal, putting all of us in the same situation. Trying to out-write our peers.
But it isn't fair to some, because some are far better writers than others.

That is why we are have moderators. In theory they are there to add more balance to the RP. I think they do there job mostly, but you know in the end you are right. A good writer will still receive an edge over a lesser writer

 

[Marcus]

Well, and when you have someone who is basically, for example, a Jedi IRL (they know fencing and kendo and jujitsu and self defense), they are going to know precisely how to write specific moves and such. And then there's someone who knows a lot of the lore and then basics of swordplay and martial arts, but they wouldn't stand a chance against the former. As @Mr.BossMan said, that creates an imbalance that is not easily moderated. We are here to Roleplay, not Realplay, and we as a community need to take that into consideration. My character shouldn't die because another player trained up as a ninja IRL.