MAIN OOC: Alsakan Revelation

[Matt]

...You are a Role Play admin. You could have been more helpful then posting a picture of a cup of straws.


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I'm not sure as I have about 12 hundred retorts but I think I'll stick with do one as I don't need to get involved because Ols is.

 

[Cailst]

Your character acted stupidly. He didn't even question Storm when he asked him to stand inside a big ****ing red circle, that was OBVIOUSLY a trap. Seriously, your character cannot be paranoiac and bring a controller for self-defense when he does what everyone asks him to without suspecting betrayal.

I kinda thought it might be a trap but I figured if they wanted to kill me, all they would have had to do was to shoot me. In that case, with a few dying breaths, I might have been able to push the buttons but it would have been much harder to do.

And if their intentions actually were friendly, I would have alienated them somewhat.

However, they decided to act fairly dumb and throw up bars around me and then attempt to slowly kill me through fire.

 

[Ser Gregor]

****, this is going to be annoying for me, I know it is... I'll read it and give you my official opinion.

 

[Ols]

I haven't seen the church do anything but sit there on Xenvaer.

They're still a presence, PC or NPC. I haven't seen CorSec do anything in the RP, but they still police and arrest people. I haven't seen builders do anything in the RP, yet buildings are still being erected. The RP only works if you accept that each NPC is still a character just as much as a PC. The difference is they ar not being controlled by a specific RPer.

...You are a Role Play admin. You could have been more helpful then posting a picture of a cup of straws.

He's saying that cailst is clutching at straws. By posting a picture of straws and asking him to take a handful. I thought that was obvious.

Personally, even if Van Tien is killed now, I think you've made a major blunder in both the manner of his death and when it has taken place. You've alienated probably most of the civilians in Alsakan territory, you've alienated the church which arguably has more power over the people than the military and the only way you're going to control the government is if you march on Xenvaer with your fleets, which will also lose you approval and support. Add to the fact a theocratic government would not want to change to a military dictatorship in 30 seconds, and I can't even see the entire military supporting you.

 

[Sovereign]

Personally, even if Van Tien is killed now, I think you've made a major blunder in both the manner of his death and when it has taken place. You've alienated probably most of the civilians in Alsakan territory, you've alienated the church which arguably has more power over the people than the military and the only way you're going to control the government is if you march on Xenvaer with your fleets, which will also lose you approval and support. Add to the fact a theocratic government would not want to change to a military dictatorship in 30 seconds, and I can't even see the entire military supporting you.

I love how people assume that Van Tien has unwavering support from the rest of the Aslakan.

Has he done anything that would even remotely make him popular? Has he even achieve anything as a leader? The answer is obviously no. The only thing he did was to send the entire Alsakan fleet on a suicide mission. The Alsakans are very religious. Van Tien obviously doesn't have divine favor. The Aslakans do not follow a leader, they follow Gods, if they are convinced that Van Tien is a fool, then he won't have any support.

And I'm sure the army is backing up the top Aslakans generals. Storm and Dakar fought alongside them when they attacked the Republic. They were captured along with their men. That should make them incredibly popular imo. Moreso than a crappy leader who sent his generals to do all the fighting for him.

 

[Phil]

I'm not sure as I have about 12 hundred retorts but I think I'll stick with do one as I don't need to get involved because Ols is.

You posted first, should have thought of dat first.

They're still a presence, PC or NPC. I haven't seen CorSec do anything in the RP, but they still police and arrest people. I haven't seen builders do anything in the RP, yet buildings are still being erected. The RP only works if you accept that each NPC is still a character just as much as a PC. The difference is they ar not being controlled by a specific RPer.

He's saying that cailst is clutching at straws. By posting a picture of straws and asking him to take a handful. I thought that was obvious.

Personally, even if Van Tien is killed now, I think you've made a major blunder in both the manner of his death and when it has taken place. You've alienated probably most of the civilians in Alsakan territory, you've alienated the church which arguably has more power over the people than the military and the only way you're going to control the government is if you march on Xenvaer with your fleets, which will also lose you approval and support. Add to the fact a theocratic government would not want to change to a military dictatorship in 30 seconds, and I can't even see the entire military supporting you.

Matt's post made it seem that "Cailst and others" ment everyone in the Revelation thread sucks, but I don't 100% understand your humor sometimes, so go figure I spose.

Considering we've seen the church do absolutely nothing, I'm sure we will take the chances. It's better too then just do nothing and let the Alsakans slowly die or be captured. I don't really care if alot of people rally cause of this, Ols, this needed to happen one way or another.

 

[Matt]

You posted first, should have thought of dat first.

What?


Anyway, I see this as Calist attempting again to try and get out off impossible situations that he gets himself into, sometimes you need to cut your loses rather then do your reputation as an rp'er more damage.

 

[Ser Gregor]

You know what? All this is to retarded for my brain. Ols, you deal with it...

 

[Cailst]

I love how people assume that Van Tien has unwavering support from the rest of the Aslakan.

Has he done anything that would even remotely make him popular? Has he even achieve anything as a leader? The answer is obviously no. The only thing he did was to send the entire Alsakan fleet on a suicide mission. The Alsakans are very religious. Van Tien obviously doesn't have divine favor. The Aslakans do not follow a leader, they follow Gods, if they are convinced that Van Tien is a fool, then he won't have any support.

And I'm sure the army is backing up the top Aslakans generals. Storm and Dakar fought alongside them when they attacked the Republic. They were captured along with their men. That should make them incredibly popular imo.

One, he is the religious interim leader, regardless of what he does, he still needs to be there to appoint the next Vicar. On the other hand, Venator is a pirate, Dakar also has been out for a while.

Also, Van Tien has done what he can to get some degree of friendship with other organizations so the disadvantage in military would be more minimized.

And, any attack would have been a suicide attack considering the defenses they put around worthless planets. Simply defending would have been a suicide as well. In hind sight, I would have stopped the war early on to undermine the Republic through other means.

 

[Sovereign]

One, he is the religious interim leader, regardless of what he does, he still needs to be there to appoint the next Vicar. On the other hand, Venator is a pirate, Dakar also has been out for a while.

Thanks for arguing for me.

The Church shouldn't give a damn about you. Why would anyone care about an incompetent temporary leader?

Also, Van Tien has done what he can to get some degree of friendship with other organizations so the disadvantage in military would be more minimized.

You're the one that did all the damage to the military in the first place. The Aslakans were winning before that.

And, any attack would have been a suicide attack considering the defenses they put around worthless planets. Simply defending would have been a suicide as well. In hind sight, I would have stopped the war early on to undermine the Republic through other means.

How so? The Union had an incredible advantage. They had Coruscant. Going on the offensive again was dumb on Vian's part.

 

[Ols]

I love how people assume that Van Tien has unwavering support from the rest of the Aslakan.

He had support to get the job in the first place. He's like an archiepiscopal or even papal figure within Alsakan society. Also, civilians wouldn't know that much about the tactical blunders, and even if they did the propaganda would blame one or more of his generals, not him. The civilians and the parts of the army not involved in the specific attacks on Bessimir or Ruan probably wouldn't even know he gave the order. Especially as it would be classified information. He's also managed to broker a peace deal, even being temporary, that would help his public opinion. The fact this assassination will effectively end that treaty will make the generals fairly unpopular.

Has he done anything that would even remotely make him popular? Has he even achieve anything as a leader? The answer is obviously no. The only thing he did was to send the entire Alsakan fleet on a suicide mission. The Alsakans are very religious. Van Tien obviously doesn't have divine favor. The Aslakans do not follow a leader, they follow Gods, if they are convinced that Van Tien is a fool, then he won't have any support.

He got elected in the first place. He got them the treaty. And he is a religious man, they'd put importance on him over anyone in the army. Add to that the order would be classified, nobody would know it was his idea, they'd think it was one of his head generals, as he's a religious man.

And I'm sure the army is backing up the top Aslakans generals. Storm and Dakar fought alongside them when they attacked the Republic. They were captured along with their men. That should make them incredibly popular imo.

Storm's character is a known slaver and criminal. He's also a Lietenant Colonel and would have one Regiment in his command maximum, that's 1200 men, not much compared to a massive army that the Union has. Dakar is also an aging man, he's had some successes, but he's also vulnerable to the uncaring general stereotype. He's also just been involved in the murder of Van Tien, and was nowhere to be seen "fighting" when the Republic began winning at Coruscant or Metellos. Dakar is also 1 general of many, his own troops might be loyal to him. Might. Troops not in his control, unlikely.

 

[Ser Yorick]

No he didn't. "Revelation" is the name of the RP Thread O.o

I'm still talking about the name...not just of this thread...
I was PMed about the "Alsakan Revolution".

 

[Storm]

And if they fire at the people in the room, you will have no time to stop them before they kill your characters unless it picks them off one by one.

Yeah, that would include you...

Because his attackers really suck at what they are doing.

I highly doubt you could do better.

 

[Ols]

Considering we've seen the church do absolutely nothing, I'm sure we will take the chances. It's better too then just do nothing and let the Alsakans slowly die or be captured. I don't really care if alot of people rally cause of this, Ols, this needed to happen one way or another.

We've seen loads of factions do absolutely nothing. The church happens to govern the Alsakan Union on a day to day basis, they have the loyalty of most of the army, and most of the civillians, huge majorities especially of the latter. You guys have walked yourself into a civil war that you are not going to win, unless you get Onderon on your side. And as Onderon made the agreement with Van Tien I doubt they'll help his murderers, so that's another enemy you've just made. If it needed to happen you should have made Van Tien hated before you killed him. He wasn't hated, you've just made him the Jintu's martyr.

 

[Cailst]

Thanks for arguing for me.

The Church shouldn't give a damn about you. Why would anyone care about an incompetent temporary leader?

You're the one that did all the damage to the military in the first place. The Aslakans were winning before that.

How so? The Union had an incredible advantage. They had Coruscant. Going on the offensive again was dumb on Vian's part.

Because he is necessary to continue on to the next ruler.

Also, while we were winning, we would have needed a genius general to get out of the fact that we were outnumbered 3 to 1. And the generals in the military left leaving me with Storm, Niner, and Mulluns who didn't help much with advice.

Coruscant didn't give us a thing, all it did was make us hated by the Republic. And it scattered the civilian leadership which ensured militarily competent people were in charge of the counter attack.

Also, most of these people didn't know much of who was in control of what anyways.

 

[Sovereign]

He had support to get the job in the first place. He's like an archiepiscopal or even papal figure within Alsakan society. Also, civilians wouldn't know that much about the tactical blunders, and even if they did the propaganda would blame one or more of his generals, not him. The civilians and the parts of the army not involved in the specific attacks on Bessimir or Ruan probably wouldn't even know he gave the order. Especially as it would be classified information. He's also managed to broker a peace deal, even being temporary, that would help his public opinion. The fact this assassination will effectively end that treaty will make the generals fairly unpopular.

He got elected in the first place. He got them the treaty. And he is a religious man, they'd put importance on him over anyone in the army. Add to that the order would be classified, nobody would know it was his idea, they'd think it was one of his head generals, as he's a religious man.

Storm's character is a known slaver and criminal. He's also a Lietenant Colonel and would have one Regiment in his command maximum, that's 1200 men, not much compared to a massive army that the Union has. Dakar is also an aging man, he's had some successes, but he's also vulnerable to the uncaring general stereotype. He's also just been involved in the murder of Van Tien, and was nowhere to be seen "fighting" when the Republic began winning at Coruscant or Metellos. Dakar is also 1 general of many, his own troops might be loyal to him. Might. Troops not in his control, unlikely.

Let's not forget, Van is a temporary leader and before he came to power, everything was going incredibly well for the Aslakan. The populace would have obviously found out that he was the one to blame for this, and it is not uncommon for the people to blame the top guy, even if he might not be responsible (which isn't the case here).

Your other argument is sound, but regardless, we've never paid much attention to how the army might react. We should just let this play out and see what happens then.

 

[Ols]

Storm, we need to conclude what's happening on your ship before any messages are sent. If Venator is killed he won't be sending any messages, so if you and cailst would stop your propaganda war for a little while, thanks.

 

[Ser Yorick]

Just have the Vicar come in and say "****ing kids, we're gonna appoint THIS guy to Supreme Whats-it-called. Now shut up."

The end.

Or have the Vicar take temporary control of the military until a decision has been made on who will lead it after ward.

 

[Phil]

We've seen loads of factions do absolutely nothing. The church happens to govern the Alsakan Union on a day to day basis, they have the loyalty of most of the army, and most of the civillians, huge majorities especially of the latter. You guys have walked yourself into a civil war that you are not going to win, unless you get Onderon on your side. And as Onderon made the agreement with Van Tien I doubt they'll help his murderers, so that's another enemy you've just made. If it needed to happen you should have made Van Tien hated before you killed him. He wasn't hated, you've just made him the Jintu's martyr.

Do you honestly think more people on this site are loyal to Van Tien then then to the true cause of The Alsakan Union?

And do you really think he wasen't hated?

I think you need to read the RP's a little more first.

 

[Sovereign]

Do you honestly think more people on this site are loyal to Van Tien then then to the true cause of The Alsakan Union?

And do you really think he wasen't hated?

I think you need to read the RP's a little more first.

Yeah, I think that should bring some weight as well. I'm pretty much that most Alsakan characters are in favor of the Revolution, and I think that should show how the rest of the NPC people might react.