Obama orders Guantanamo's closure.

[Matt]

Meh, I'm gettin off for the night, actually I am surprised I didn't get ban hammered by the staff for this thread.

You were bloody close so you might want to watch it in future.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Meh, I'm gettin off for the night, actually I am surprised I didn't get ban hammered by the staff for this thread.

We don't ban people unless they start breaking rules, even if we think what they're saying is crap.

 

[Ser Gregor]

I don't hate the US Military or its members. I can hate the wars they're involved in, and I can hate individuals for their barbaric acts, but I cannot hate someone who fights for their nation, no matter if I disagree with the cause.

I mean, one of my best friends is German. He moved over here permanently last year, and I met both his grandfathers. They both served as mid-rank officers in World War 2, obviously for Germany. It was weird as hell, yea, but they were two of the kindest men I'd ever met.

 

[Imperator]

Uh, what? Did you not read a word I said? It's as if you're saying that I said "all Muslims want to take over the world" and crap like that. I said there are some in all Muslim sects.

Can we all please start reading each others post and stop misrepresenting them?

You said all sides have powerful leaders that want to unite the world under Muslim law. my roommate was from a side that wanted all the violence to end and for the sides and religions to get along. That is a gross simplification of course.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I don't hate the US Military or its members. I can hate the wars they're involved in, and I can hate individuals for their barbaric acts, but I cannot hate someone who fights for their nation, no matter if I disagree with the cause.

I mean, one of my best friends is German. He moved over here permanently last year, and I met both his grandfathers. They both served as mid-rank officers in World War 2, obviously for Germany. It was weird as hell, yea, but they were two of the kindest men I'd ever met.

OMG you compared America to Nazis OMG terroristomglolomgomgomgomgomgog.

You said all sides have powerful leaders that want to unite the world under Muslim law. my roommate was from a side that wanted all the violence to end and for the sides and religions to get along. That is a gross simplification of course.

Sides as in sects, like Shi'ite and Sunni. Most of those people do believe in peace, but there are radicals, many of them powerful leaders, inside each one.

 

[Ser Gregor]

We were winning when we forced to pull out. Read up, we won almost every major battle. If the stupid populace hadn't gone all hippy we could have liberated Korea from the Communists.

I have read about the war, and I've also been taught about it. You were winning the battles, but loosing the war.

 

[Sovereign]

I cannot hate someone who fights for their nation.

Fighting for your government = fighting for your nation?

Honestly, I just feel bad for the soldiers. Most of them are being forced into this because of their socio-economic conditions. I do hate the Military as an institution though.

 

[Imperator]

I don't hate the US Military or its members. I can hate the wars they're involved in, and I can hate individuals for their barbaric acts, but I cannot hate someone who fights for their nation, no matter if I disagree with the cause.

I mean, one of my best friends is German. He moved over here permanently last year, and I met both his grandfathers. They both served as mid-rank officers in World War 2, obviously for Germany. It was weird as hell, yea, but they were two of the kindest men I'd ever met.

Well, a a large portion of the Wehrmacht was anti-Hitler. There were many attempts against his life by Wehrmacht officers.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Fighting for your government = fighting for your nation

When you're on the front lines of war, you're fighting for your nation. Only in hind-sight can you decide if you were truly fighting for your nation.

 

[JM76]

For the Hindu thing, that's a completely different topic, and you'd find your answer by studying the history of India.

As for your other point, I would say that it's because Christianity has become a symbol of the Western world, and I've never heard of a terrorist attack against muslims.

Okay, I'd agree with the Hindu thing. Moot point on my part.

But as for the second topic, that would be because killing a Muslim under Muslim law is punishable by death. No such law exists against non-Muslims.

 

[Sovereign]

When you're on the front lines of war, you're fighting for your nation. Only in hind-sight can you decide if you were truly fighting for your nation.

Not really.

Wars have always been fought for interests rather than patriotism.

Unless you're on the side that's being invaded. Like Poland or France during WW2.

 

[Matt]

Not really.

Wars have always been fought for interests rather than patriotism.

Unless you're on the side that's being invaded. Like Poland or France during WW2.

When your young and idealistic your easy to manipulate.

 

[Random Hero]

Wars have always been fought for interests rather than patriotism.

Perhaps by the military and national command; but a soldier fights for his country and life, nothing more.

 

[Green Ranger]

I could swear this thread was about guantanomo bay closing...

EDIT: Thanks for the entertainment, Niner. You were hilarious.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Niner, from one person who has family in the military to another...your views really are ****ing idiocy. Your trying to play out americans as the persecuted when we do horrible terrible things to people that are merely suspected of crimes. Honor, Justice, Integrity, the very things Democracy is supposed to stand for you spit upon for anyone who isn't american. "**** the world" ??? I've never read anything so damned immature.

The things this country is founded upon, the ideals of freedom, they aren't meant for only times of peace. You pride yourself on your religion, a doctrine of turn the other cheek yet you have no problem spitting in the face of everything your supposed savior has been recorded saying with your statements here. You want to join the military because you feel its patriotic, then act like a god damn American and not the slobs with their heads up their ass that our country has became known for.

 

[Sovereign]

you really are a ****ing idiot.

Uncalled for.

Consider this an official warning.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Uncalled for.

Consider this an official warning.

There, better?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There, better?

Not really. Debate politely or not at all. Just because Niner lost his cool doesn't mean that you should too.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Not really. Debate politely or not at all. Just because Niner lost his cool doesn't mean that you should too.

Theres nothing impolite about disagreeing with someones views.

 

[Sovereign]

Theres nothing impolite about disagreeing with someones views.

Yeah, but there's a way of saying it without sounding like an asshole.