President Elect: Donald J. Trump

[Kaane]

I like how people are painting this in the way of only whites are welcome in America now. Saying things like females, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims and Gays are all swept under the rug. I find it a very dull outlook. As if only white males where responsible for Trumps election. It completely disregards all of his minorities and women who did vote for Trump.

It's rather sad and kinda pathetic that many people are saying Trump was elected because of racist white men who only care for their "old" America.

From my POV it has had something to do with race. People who call out "white privelege" and whatever are bullshitting themselves. The white working class is one of the most maligned groups in history, separated from minorities and treated like they don't matter. If they're ever brought up in the media, it's to laugh and mock them like they're the hillbillies from Deliverance.

They've had the short end of the stick for a while now, and judging by Trump being elected, they've had quite enough.

That being said, the only way this will ever make anything real happen is if people stop with this race shit and band together as one working class. The establishment will just keep picking us apart and dividing us into sections one by one otherwise, destroying our power as a collective.

 

[The Captain]

Yeah whilst it doesn't look TOO bleak I can still pray for Kanye 2020 right?

I wouldn't joke about that. People were cracking jokes about Donald running and look where we are now.

 

[z234]

I wouldn't joke about that. People were cracking jokes about Donald running and look where we are now.

Haha yeah sorry I'll shut my misinformed teenage trap now :D

 

[Rekkin]

Van Jones' words echo my own. As a person of color, I'm terrified. My friends are terrified. I get people are always upset when their candidate doesn't get elected. But when I hear that people are scared and thinking of leaving the country at this level...I dunno guys.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Van Jones' words echo my own. As a person of color, I'm terrified. My friends are terrified. I get people are always upset when their candidate doesn't get elected. But when I hear that people are scared and thinking of leaving the country at this level...I dunno guys.

As a white man, I just want to assure you that I do not think Trump will be harmful to blacks and their communities. America has come to far to allow the government to hurt or harm minorities regardless of color or creed. I don't think the American people will stand behind any person in political office who does intentionally want to hurt people.

Trump has said he will bring "Law and Order" back to the country. Which it has needed.

When Trump won last night. He made his victory speech and the very first thing, the very first thing he spoke about, was helping the inner cities of America.

Don't be scared to live in America just because your black. That's not an america we live in today and I don't believe that's an america we will ever have to live in again.

 

[Rekkin]

Don't be scared to live in America just because your black. That's not an america we live in today and I don't believe that's an america we will ever have to live in again.

I've had too many arguments/debates to count to try and sway people with your beliefs, it is an impossible task and one that I'm not going to try to bring here. However I just have to say that last statement is a bit too much man. Being a black man in america is often a very scary thing, and unless you have experienced it yourself, I would ask that you refrain from telling people of color that it will be OK. It won't be until it is and right now it isn't.

 

[Miz]

As a white man, I just want to assure you that I do not think Trump will be harmful to blacks and their communities. America has come to far to allow the government to hurt or harm minorities regardless of color or creed. I don't think the American people will stand behind any person in political office who does intentionally want to hurt people.

Trump has said he will bring "Law and Order" back to the country. Which it has needed.

When Trump won last night. He made his victory speech and the very first thing, the very first thing he spoke about, was helping the inner cities of America.

Don't be scared to live in America just because your black. That's not an america we live in today and I don't believe that's an america we will ever have to live in again.

The same Donald Trump that would stomp on the rights of minorities by implementing a nation-wide stop and frisk which not only violates their 4th amendment rights but has been ruled to be racially discriminatory?

 

[Mr.BossMan]

I've had too many arguments/debates to count to try and sway people with your beliefs, it is an impossible task and one that I'm not going to try to bring here. However I just have to say that last statement is a bit too much man. Being a black man in america is often a very scary thing, and unless you have experienced it yourself, I would ask that you refrain from telling people of color that it will be OK. It won't be until it is and right now it isn't.

Oh ya, I forgot about my white privilege that rerains me from talking about such topics.

Sorry.

The same Donald Trump that would stomp on the rights of minorities by implementing a nation-wide stop and frisk which not only violates their 4th amendment rights but has been ruled to be racially discriminatory?

I don't think I'll get in this debate. It's better suited in the BLM board.

 

[The Captain]

Can we just take a second to point out that the Democrats ran a piss poor campaign, while Trump didn't do a half bad job firing people up?

Not that I'm endorsing him, but still.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Can we just take a second to point out that the Democrats ran a piss poor campaign, while Trump didn't do a half bad job firing people up?

Not that I'm endorsing him, but still.

Trump rally's were very big. Wherever they where the man could draw a crowd.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

I feel like everyone is blowing this way out of proportion, and that such a negative attitude will result in them seeing more problems then are really there, or noticing problems they ignored during the previous 8 years and attributing those problems solely to trump. Basically, everyone hates the guy, the republican leadership in control of the house/senate hates him, so I doubt he'll get far with most if any of his policies. Most people don't care though, cause they are already expecting the worse and will only see the worst of whatever comes to pass, even if the stuff passed is good or bad.

It's a lot like ooc drama really. If you go in expecting bad stuff to happen and your attitude reflects it, you're going to see more negativity in others, and it'll provoke more negative stuff to happen. Multiply this phenomena to encompass many millions of people, and you may just have a preview of the next 4 years of social outlooks.

 

[The Captain]

Trump rally's were very big. Wherever they where the man could draw a crowd.

Actually, my point was that the American people want a substantive, populist, anti-establishment president, and Trump ran his campaign like one. Whether he will remain so after January 1st remains to be seen.

Howver, Clinton and the Democrats ran the most stereotypical, clean-cut, textbook political campaign they could, which is the exact opposite of what people want. If they were running Bernie as their candidate instead of Hilary, I am 100% sure he would have won the election in a landslide, because he actually is everything Trump presented himself so far as, without all the scandals.

 

[Raydo]

I've had too many arguments/debates to count to try and sway people with your beliefs, it is an impossible task and one that I'm not going to try to bring here. However I just have to say that last statement is a bit too much man. Being a black man in america is often a very scary thing, and unless you have experienced it yourself, I would ask that you refrain from telling people of color that it will be OK. It won't be until it is and right now it isn't.

Race relations are at the worst point in my life time after 8 years of Barak Obama. Im not saying DJT is a saint by any stretch of the imagination, but as started earlier, his very first promise as President Elect was to help our urban core. His second promise was to get to work overhauling our infrastructure. These jobs benifit workers of all races who are living in poverity.

As a white, christian, lower middle class male I totally do not agree on his stance on Muslims as it stood at the end of last year (thats the last time I could see where there was significant discussion on it). I have had friends in the past that were Muslim who would give you the shirt off their back just as quick as the next person. Congress / Supreme Court would never allow auch policies regardless.

Should illeagle immigrants be worried? Of course, they are breaking the law. Trump has stated many times he suppprts legal immigration. America seems to be the only place where wanting to enforce these laws makes you a bigot. If you go to Canada right now and are not documented, you will be detained and deported. That only makes sense.

While Trump has stated he supports "traditional marriage", I would bet money we arent going to see any type of repeal on the legalization on Gay Marriage. Trump has also not made any call to limit the rights of the LGBT community. The closest thing that I found was he said he supported the rights of the states to govern themselves in matters such as "Restroom policies"

How do you explain to your kids Trump is President? How did you plan on explaining voting for someone just becuase they were a woman, all while over looking the scandals, negligance, dishonesty, coruption. The DNC failed to give the people an alternative that out wieghed the growing concern of rual America having their jobs shipped over seas and unaffordable insurance premiums (and penalties of you didnt participate) and the ever widening gap between themselves and the corporately owned political machine

I'm not someone who follows Politics to often, but this over the top reaction was pretty much morrored by the far right when President Obama took office eight years ago. The world didnt end then and it wont end now. If we all stand together, that is when progress will be made for a better America. Love you guys.

 

[TWD26]

The only thing that makes me mad is for the people that tell me to check my privileged for voting for Johnson. I voted for Kasich in the primaries in Ohio and tried to stop Trump from even reaching this point in the first place. But, at the end of the day I couldn't bring myself to vote for a woman that I only agree 20% of the time with, it would be doing a disservice to myself and the election process. I voted Johnson because I like many former Republicans feel disenfranchised with the ult right radicalization of the Republican party. I support legalization, gun rights, hardcore supporter of lgbtq, and religious freedoms while maintaining a small central government that doesn't expand military assets and pulls back troops worldwide.

With all the people I've talked to in the conservative side and libertarian side, I'm not surprised that Trump won, there is a merit to this over saturation of PC culture that is pushing people away and I feel that trump's winning is a direct backlash to this. It's not fair to paint all Trump supporters as racists, there are so many factors and sects of trump supporters that you'd be doing a disservice by not getting to know why something like this happened. There are anti establishment people, working class white Americans (which are looked down upon greatly, especially by educated whites) who feel Obama and the Dems haven't done enough to help bring industrial jobs back to America , and of course the racists or ignorant.

What democrats should be angry about are their own people voting for Bernie Sanders or the people that voted for Harambe. I can see the reasoning for the Bernie supporters writing his name in, but in Ohio he wasn't write in eligible, but people still voted for him--and today they are pissed Hillary didn't win. At the end of the day, I will stand with minorities and against Trump if he even tries to repeal things like abortion or gay marriage. But, please Democrats and Liberals stop blaming us Johnson supporters and Libertarians for why Trump won. Libertarians, honestly took votes from the Republicans, and if Gary wasn't in the race then Trump would have gotten more votes. In closing, I think the Democrats need to take a good look at themselves and why so many Americans feel so disconnected from the democratic party and establishment, because it is clear that the media has not been doing proper journalism and has been skewed towards the left, which is why so many people are shocked today--they didn't bother to get the full story and do a proper investigation. I stand in solidarity with people that feel afraid, I understand--let's just hope he can do something, for the sake of this country.

 

[Logan]

I like how people are painting this in the way of only whites are welcome in America now. Saying things like females, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims and Gays are all swept under the rug. I find it a very dull outlook. As if only white males where responsible for Trumps election. It completely disregards all of his minorities and women who did vote for Trump.

It's rather sad and kinda pathetic that many people are saying Trump was elected because of racist white men who only care for their "old" America.

One of the biggest demographics to come out with much higher numbers than usual when voting for Trump were non-college educated white males.

 

[The Captain]

One of the biggest demographics to come out with much higher numbers than usual when voting for Trump were non-college educated white males.

There are components of economics and anti-establishment sentiments in there too.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

One of the biggest demographics to come out with much higher numbers than usual when voting for Trump were non-college educated white males.

So that should be frowned upon? People voting for what they believe in. You'd discredit them because they are white?

No one faults Hispanics for voting Democrat. No one faults blacks for voting Democrat. However when whites vote Republican everyone loses their minds! It's a "White-lash" to return the country back to the racist state it once was.

It's hypocritical and ignorant really.

This election came down to one simple thing. People did not want more of Obama. They didn't want big government. They wanted an outsider, like Trump, and that's what they got.

You can't stereotype white voters and label them as Bigots, and racist simply because they voted for Trump.

 

[Outlander]

So that should be frowned upon? People voting for what they believe in. You'd discredit them because they are white?

No one faults Hispanics for voting Democrat. No one faults blacks for voting Democrat. However when whites vote Republican everyone loses their minds! It's a "White-lash" to return the country back to the racist state it once was.

It's hypocritical and ignorant really.

This election came down to one simple thing. People did not want more of Obama. They didn't want big government. They wanted an outsider, like Trump, and that's what they got.

You can't stereotype white voters and label them as Bigots, and racist simply because they voted for Trump.

Actually, they did.

Trump lost the popular vote.

 

[The Captain]

So that should be frowned upon? People voting for what they believe in. You'd discredit them because they are white?

No one faults Hispanics for voting Democrat. No one faults blacks for voting Democrat. However when whites vote Republican everyone loses their minds! It's a "White-lash" to return the country back to the racist state it once was.

It's hypocritical and ignorant really.

This election came down to one simple thing. People did not want more of Obama. They didn't want big government. They wanted an outsider, like Trump, and that's what they got.

You can't stereotype white voters and label them as Bigots, and racist simply because they voted for Trump.

Well, in the continuing interest of fairness there were a lot of White Nationalist and racist organizations backing Trump.

 

[TWD26]

One of the biggest demographics to come out with much higher numbers than usual when voting for Trump were non-college educated white males.

I just want to clarify that I don't support trump, but I'm curious to see your perspective. Why do you think so many non college educated white males came out to vote for Trump? The only way we can address issues like this is by having a reasonable discussion from different sides. I think this is a cultivation of several different perspectives. Race, class, and education are all factors for sure, but I think we should take a look deeper at this.

Why did rural America have such a draw towards Trump? Well, many democrats are seen as pandering towards minorities and worrying about urban areas, which has made a lot of them feel secluded--while typical Republicans such as Mitt Romney were seen as someone that pandered towards special interest elites, thus that was one of the reasons he didn't get the turn out in 2012. I think it's also a reflection on ultra PC culture and the backlash towards it. I feel that there is definitely validity in points brought up in social justice that need fixed (black lives matter being a big problem that I support), but PC culture doesn't take the concerns or problems that lower middle class white america face, and Trump pandered to that. Different life cultures and experiences as well, so I'd say it's hard to see things from their perspective, just like it's so bloody hard to get them to look at the problem that Black Americans face everyday because they don't witness it everyday.

I don't know, I might just be rambling, I just feel really ashamed to be on the right spectrum, even though I'm a libertarian. There is a real divide that can be felt, it feels really weird and strange, but the signs have been there all along, I guess we just pushed them aside.