Request for another Admin Feedback Thread

[Jabonicus]

Howdy.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/admin-feedback.63502/

This was the last Admin Feedback Thread, which was WAY back in January. Since the months have passed, and the timeline has grown and settled, I believe that now would be as good as time as any to call for feedback about the Admins. While it may seem unimportant to do it now, I think I'll list a few reasons why I believe we should open another Admin Feedback Thread.

+ I've personally heard issues concerning the admins and actions taken by a large number of people. Bringing this to Admin attention will allow for improvement on both sides.

+ The Timeline has been given time to settle, and any issues that could have, and have, arisen have no doubt been solved, so they will likely not have impact upon the opinions expressed.

+ Brandon previously stated that he would like to post feedback threads "Every once in awhile." This was seven months ago. I think every six to seven months would be a fair amount of time between admin feedback threads.

Besides this, at the end of the day, it's just my silly personal opinion. I simply think we should see where another feedback thread will get us.

 

[Bee]

Brandon's just being slow in putting the next one up. Or he's changing the date around on us all secretive like so we don't try and act nice knowing there's a review on the horizon.

 

[Prudence]

Well there is a strong need to have one. I feel like this has reached a boiling point, and that there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the member base and there are voices that need to be heard. I know members have PMed Brandon and asked for one, and his response has been that they are at random, and if they have complaints they can PM him.

That is not reasonable. There is no protection from those comments being deleted, ignored, or for punishments due to those comments. We need another open setting where members can express their concerns with protections.

 

[Green Ranger]

Here's the thing in my view. Admin feedback threads are a great way of communicating issues with the site, staff and the RP setting if used correctly and if feedback is delivered in a fair and rational matter.

If we did a review today, we would get none of that. What we would get is a platform for a vocal minirity to complain about a singular specific incident that occured regarding a ban that they disagree with.

I am all for admin reviews. But I cant support them right now when they will be used as a platform to grandstand and complain about a singular and trivial matter that will dominate the discussion, rather than focusing on real issues for the site and the timeline.

 

[Prudence]

Here's the thing in my view. Admin feedback threads are a great way of communicating issues with the site, staff and the RP setting if used correctly and if feedback is delivered in a fair and rational matter.

If we did a review today, we would get none of that. What we would get is a platform for a vocal minirity to complain about a singular specific incident that occured regarding a ban that they disagree with.

I am all for admin reviews. But I cant support them right now when they will be used as a platform to grandstand and complain about a singular and trivial matter that will dominate the discussion, rather than focusing on real issues for the site and the timeline.

I'm sorry, but that's wrong. It's been 7 months since the last one. I know that if you check Brandon's wall you can find a post I made there asking for one far before Pros's ban, but I deleted it because i was advised that I would get an infraction and likely a ban for it.

I know that @Proleptic PMed Brandon and asked for one recently. I promise you if there were a review session it wouldn't be a vocal minority on a singular issue.

This ban was a boiling point for a lot of complaints, oppression, and injustice that is happening out of the admin team recently and we need a venue where the members can voice their opinions.

 

[Gaiaverse]

Here's the thing in my view. Admin feedback threads are a great way of communicating issues with the site, staff and the RP setting if used correctly and if feedback is delivered in a fair and rational matter.

If we did a review today, we would get none of that. What we would get is a platform for a vocal minirity to complain about a singular specific incident that occured regarding a ban that they disagree with.

I am all for admin reviews. But I cant support them right now when they will be used as a platform to grandstand and complain about a singular and trivial matter that will dominate the discussion, rather than focusing on real issues for the site and the timeline.

Boli, I hope this doesn't come off as rude or anything but...

If you think this is just over a singular matter, and not the end result of several issues. Then there is no greater evidence that we need an admin review.

 

[Green Ranger]

The fact that youre using emotive terms like oppression and injustice only confirms my belief that emotions from said vocal minority are running high right now.

@gaia: Im not dismissing the matter, don't get me wrong. I'm saying cooler heads need to prevail and doing one right now when certain members are clearly feeling quite emotional and angry isn't going to make for a productive discussion.

 

[Gaiaverse]

The fact that youre using emotive terms like oppression and injustice only confirms my belief that emotions from said vocal minority are running high right now.

@Jab: Im not dismissing the matter, don't get me wrong. I'm saying cooler heads need to prevail and doing one right now when certain members are clearly feeling quite emotional and angry isn't going to make for a productive discussion.

Actually you are.

 

[Prudence]

The fact that youre using emotive terms like oppression and injustice only confirms my belief that emotions from said vocal minority are running high right now.

@Jab: Im not dismissing the matter, don't get me wrong. I'm saying cooler heads need to prevail and doing one right now when certain members are clearly feeling quite emotional and angry isn't going to make for a productive discussion.

So what? People get sick of things and have complaints. They ask for a way to voice their complaints, and because we have complaints we shouldn't have a review? It isn't a vocal minority Boli, and it's foolish to think that, no offense intended.

 

[Jabonicus]

The fact that youre using emotive terms like oppression and injustice only confirms my belief that emotions from said vocal minority are running high right now.

@Jab: Im not dismissing the matter, don't get me wrong. I'm saying cooler heads need to prevail and doing one right now when certain members are clearly feeling quite emotional and angry isn't going to make for a productive discussion.

I understand your decision to wait for heads to cool, and I completely respect it. I simply believe that there's a gap between the Administrators of the Site and the Members. From what I've seen in the past, a review that would allow both sides to express their views and thoughts in a safe environment. Please try, however, to keep us in the know how when we can expect the Review to go up. I'm sure it would reassure people who believe that radio silence means lack of action.

 

[Green Ranger]

I understand your decision to wait for heads to cool, and I completely respect it. I simply believe that there's a gap between the Administrators of the Site and the Members. From what I've seen in the past, a review that would allow both sides to express their views and thoughts in a safe environment. Please try, however, to keep us in the know how when we can expect the Review to go up. I'm sure it would reassure people who believe that radio silence means lack of action.

Yeah, I get that entirely. Id love to do one myself, so Im gonna push for one when the time's right, and preferably sooner rather than later, for sure.

 

[Raydo]

Don't remember there being anything saying it was a persons right to be given a platform to voice their disapproval of an action a role playing websites leadership took.

Have a complaint? Compose a message and send it to the admin team. Don't like their reaponse? Leave. #byefelicia

 

[Lucy Lou]

Don't like their reaponse? Leave. #byefelicia

This seems like a poor attitude when open communication can solve a lot of problems.

 

[Gaiaverse]

Don't remember there being anything saying it was a persons right to be given a platform to voice their disapproval of an action a role playing websites leadership took.

Have a complaint? Compose a message and send it to the admin team. Don't like their reaponse? Leave. #byefelicia

The reaction to people having complaints and not liking how the site is going should not be "Leave" and a hashtag.

 

[Korvo]

This issue is clearly one that is quite charged. I don't mean to impose my opinion or anything, but since both sides (users and admins) have already put their cards out on the table, maybe we should just let things be until a new development happens? I mean, I can't really see this conversation continuing in a very... positive direction. Idk, just my 2 cents

 

[Raydo]

This seems like a poor attitude when open communication can solve a lot of problems.

In the end, the leadership volunteers to run and pay for this site. It is their right to run the site how they see fit. I'm not saying there isn't a place for communication, just that at a certain point, if one feels oppressed and they are being treated unjustly on a star wars role playing site...leaving is an option.

The reaction to people having complaints and not liking how the site is going should not be "Leave" and a hashtag.

gaiaverse10 - Sunday 4:57 PM
> #proslike
gaiaverse10 - Sunday 4:57 PM
> gaiaverse10 has left the channel

You left. You hashtagged. Your reaction (done before my post) was obviously way more mature and correct than my statement.

 

[Lucy Lou]

In the end, the leadership volunteers to run and pay for this site. It is their right to run the site how they see fit. I'm not saying there isn't a place for communication, just that at a certain point, if one feels oppressed and they are being treated unjustly on a star wars role playing site...leaving is an option.

If donations were allowed, I'd totally donate and have paid for a previous site for an entire year, I would pay for this one too. (Can I buy a fourth character slot? I mean seriously c: ) I do very much enjoy this site. However, it's not a good stance to take to tell your members to suck it up buttercup, or leave. People want to be here. They want to feel involved and they want to have a place. Telling them to leave, removes all that.

But yes it is an option. It's normally it's a last ditch option, especially when people want to help. Want to be involved. Want to see the site be an amazing and welcoming place for all. People just want to help.

 

[Raydo]

If donations were allowed, I'd totally donate and have paid for a previous site for an entire year, I would pay for this one too. (Can I buy a fourth character slot? I mean seriously c: ) I do very much enjoy this site. However, it's not a good stance to take to tell your members to suck it up buttercup, or leave. People want to be here. They want to feel involved and they want to have a place. Telling them to leave, removes all that.

But yes it is an option. It's normally it's a last ditch option, especially when people want to help. Want to be involved. Want to see the site be an amazing and welcoming place for all. People just want to help.

Well to be fair, none of the staff has ever taken that stance. Those were my words, and I'm kind an ass anyway. Over the years, I have asked questions of many of the admin team about different things and was always given an answer and explanation if it was appropriate. The line of communication is there...no drama needed.

 

[Taz]

I tend to keep my head down when it comes to Site politics, especially when it comes to Admins. I was brought here by a friend and former admin who left at least in some part to Site politics. But as I've come back from my several month break It's obvious that there is a rift this timeline between the Admins and the Members. A thread needs to happen and sooner rather than later. Hopefully we can keep it civil and more importantly fix some of these issues that are pushing away many long time members.

 

[StormWolf]

There is zero guarantee that players are going to voice their concerns in a mature manner. What has been posted in this thread isn't helping. Are people actually going to voice concerns prudent to the RP, especially given the present... climate? I doubt it. Am I saying a feedback thread would be a bad idea? No. But this calling for an open forum to harp on admins is lining up too beautifully with the banning of a certain someone.