Successful Negotiations

[Nefieslab]

Ah. They were double doors, so I closed one and left one open. I'm using the closed one for cover and aiming through the open door.

That clears it up nicely thanks@

 

[Nefieslab]

Algarus;

I'm fine with getting some basic gun ammo from the security but grenades aren't really the same. It would he like saying armed security officers in malls have grenades which they don't so please take that out - it feels like abusing the presence of NPCs to get around the pvp equipment rules - same for you tsunami

Tsunami;

You don't get to say what shots are successful or not. Any attempted attack by you or Algarus needs to be able to be countered by actions we take - no autohitting or using your post to make your ally autohit

Equally you do not get to decide what happens to our equipment. The car we have launched through the wall is NOT stuck or parked in the middle of the wall. I would argue that it would have continued considering it is still rigged to accelerate and is an armoured vehicle capable of destroying a wall through speed and weight - please do not dictate the lay of the land to us. It was already kind of a stretch that you were able to command the structure to activate unknown and unagreed defenses - you cannot then dictate the effectiveness of our breaching said defences

Let's see if we can get a dialogue going and see what changes can be agreed gang

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

 

[Algarus]

Algarus;

I'm fine with getting some basic gun ammo from the security but grenades aren't really the same. It would he like saying armed security officers in malls have grenades which they don't so please take that out - it feels like abusing the presence of NPCs to get around the pvp equipment rules - same for you tsunami

Tsunami;

You don't get to say what shots are successful or not. Any attempted attack by you or Algarus needs to be able to be countered by actions we take - no autohitting or using your post to make your ally autohit

Equally you do not get to decide what happens to our equipment. The car we have launched through the wall is NOT stuck or parked in the middle of the wall. I would argue that it would have continued considering it is still rigged to accelerate and is an armoured vehicle capable of destroying a wall through speed and weight - please do not dictate the lay of the land to us. It was already kind of a stretch that you were able to command the structure to activate unknown and unagreed defenses - you cannot then dictate the effectiveness of our breaching said defences

Let's see if we can get a dialogue going and see what changes can be agreed gang

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

I have no problem with changing that. Doing it now. Only had stun grenades due to the protestors outside, but I see how that is problematic. Change has been made.

 

[Nefieslab]

I have no problem with changing that. Doing it now. Only had stun grenades due to the protestors outside, but I see how that is problematic. Change has been made.

Thanks Algarus :D

 

[Tsunami]

Algarus;

I'm fine with getting some basic gun ammo from the security but grenades aren't really the same. It would he like saying armed security officers in malls have grenades which they don't so please take that out - it feels like abusing the presence of NPCs to get around the pvp equipment rules - same for you tsunami

Tsunami;

You don't get to say what shots are successful or not. Any attempted attack by you or Algarus needs to be able to be countered by actions we take - no autohitting or using your post to make your ally autohit

Equally you do not get to decide what happens to our equipment. The car we have launched through the wall is NOT stuck or parked in the middle of the wall. I would argue that it would have continued considering it is still rigged to accelerate and is an armoured vehicle capable of destroying a wall through speed and weight - please do not dictate the lay of the land to us. It was already kind of a stretch that you were able to command the structure to activate unknown and unagreed defenses - you cannot then dictate the effectiveness of our breaching said defences

Let's see if we can get a dialogue going and see what changes can be agreed gang

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

I'm not sure where you are considering Auto-Hits to have landed? Only hits that have occurred is those between the NPC's who we have killed on both sides. I could understand if either of us had written "The security forces attack the strike team. The strike team are overwhelmed and are now dead." but we haven't all we have done is kill off the various NPCs that are in the hallway in this time block.

I am happy to concede that you can decide if the vehicle will drive out or not... however the fact that you guys wrote that the vehicle crashed a hole through the wall but never specified more than that, to me seemed as though it has been written that it was left there. I will not concede that any vehicle deemed as a "car", armoured or not, could simply punch through a concrete wall and out the other side however. Why? because although I can accept the fact that a chunky armoured land craft could break through a wall, I will not accept that anything could bulldoze its way through a solid concrete wall and still be working... especially if it accelerated into it.

This is an M88 - Struggling to punch through a THIN brick wall, at a logical speed to be smashing through buildings. This is something that would barely keep the cold out... let alone a tank. Certainly not to be assumed to be fit for housing high value diplomats and receiving important political guests.
This is an armoured tank - being resisted by a wooden house as it punches through it.
This is a car (not armoured) - flying into a wall at an accelerated speed and doing sweet FA to it.

Equally, please do not now bring up stuff in previous posts that we gave you ample time to argue and would have been more than happy to change if you had requested. We did not command the structure, we simply requested that the defences were put in place to the an NPC who would have logically been there. Your chance to AGREE or DISAGREE those defences was at that time... please don't now rub it in our faces like you did us a favour by not arguing the posts previous and act as though we now have an obligation to let you have your way with things.

Can we please also have a link to the vehicle tech? If we are going to argue "Unspecified, unknown" stuff... Your only description for the vehicle is that it is a "truck".

So what is the middle ground?

- Of course if you do not wish for us to scavenged off the NPCs that can be changed no problem.
- You can make your hole in the wall, and we will assume that your vehicle is then driving out of the wall unless told otherwise, but it will have sustained heavy damage. Thus leaving a hole to the hallway that @Algarus is looking down. Still with it being, around 25 meters from the entrance to the hall we are stuck in. There is still a large amount of rubble, but there is now no longer a giant mound of it that those entering need to climb over.

 

[Tsunami]

Edited Post Regarding scavenging the nades.

 

[Nefieslab]

I'm not sure where you are considering Auto-Hits to have landed? Only hits that have occurred is those between the NPC's who we have killed on both sides. I could understand if either of us had written "The security forces attack the strike team. The strike team are overwhelmed and are now dead." but we haven't all we have done is kill off the various NPCs that are in the hallway in this time block.

I am happy to concede that you can decide if the vehicle will drive out or not... however the fact that you guys wrote that the vehicle crashed a hole through the wall but never specified more than that, to me seemed as though it has been written that it was left there. I will not concede that any vehicle deemed as a "car", armoured or not, could simply punch through a concrete wall and out the other side however. Why? because although I can accept the fact that a chunky armoured land craft could break through a wall, I will not accept that anything could bulldoze its way through a solid concrete wall and still be working... especially if it accelerated into it.

This is an M88 - Struggling to punch through a THIN brick wall, at a logical speed to be smashing through buildings. This is something that would barely keep the cold out... let alone a tank. Certainly not to be assumed to be fit for housing high value diplomats and receiving important political guests.
This is an armoured tank - being resisted by a wooden house as it punches through it.
This is a car (not armoured) - flying into a wall at an accelerated speed and doing sweet FA to it.

Equally, please do not now bring up stuff in previous posts that we gave you ample time to argue and would have been more than happy to change if you had requested. We did not command the structure, we simply requested that the defences were put in place to the an NPC who would have logically been there. Your chance to AGREE or DISAGREE those defences was at that time... please don't now rub it in our faces like you did us a favour by not arguing the posts previous and act as though we now have an obligation to let you have your way with things.

Can we please also have a link to the vehicle tech? If we are going to argue "Unspecified, unknown" stuff... Your only description for the vehicle is that it is a "truck".

So what is the middle ground?

- Of course if you do not wish for us to scavenged off the NPCs that can be changed no problem.
- You can make your hole in the wall, and we will assume that your vehicle is then driving out of the wall unless told otherwise, but it will have sustained heavy damage. Thus leaving a hole to the hallway that @Algarus is looking down. Still with it being, around 25 meters from the entrance to the hall we are stuck in. There is still a large amount of rubble, but there is now no longer a giant mound of it that those entering need to climb over.

Autohit on a player controlled drone - it's under @Ediwa control so they get a chance to evade it. Equally if you can autohit player equipment (but not the player) then what would be to stop me shooting your grenade with my blaster perfectly just because Ediwa said so - you see what I mean?

"Through the wall" implies all the way through though doesn't it? Or at least the car is through it - I'm not arguing it's like half way down the hallway or anything; just not literally stuck in the wall

The tone there seems a bit much. I'm not trying to say you owe us anything - I'm just saying that I would very much prefer it if you didn't decide things in your post like the car (or truck). There is no need for a tech write up for the vehicle as it is a gen tech vehicle - and whether or not it should be able to break through a wall is academic now since it has been locked in as breaking through the wall

All of the above being said I thank you for removing the scavenging and I will have the removal of the vehicle me the last meaningful act of NPCs on our side

This look good everyone?

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

 

[Algarus]

Ah, I hadn't thought about auto hitting the drone, apologies. I'm fine with these changes.

 

[Tsunami]

Autohit on a player controlled drone - it's under @Ediwa control so they get a chance to evade it. Equally if you can autohit player equipment (but not the player) then what would be to stop me shooting your grenade with my blaster perfectly just because Ediwa said so - you see what I mean?

"Through the wall" implies all the way through though doesn't it? Or at least the car is through it - I'm not arguing it's like half way down the hallway or anything; just not literally stuck in the wall

The tone there seems a bit much. I'm not trying to say you owe us anything - I'm just saying that I would very much prefer it if you didn't decide things in your post like the car (or truck). There is no need for a tech write up for the vehicle as it is a gen tech vehicle - and whether or not it should be able to break through a wall is academic now since it has been locked in as breaking through the wall

All of the above being said I thank you for removing the scavenging and I will have the removal of the vehicle me the last meaningful act of NPCs on our side

This look good everyone?

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

I was under the impression that any NPC's were considered an auto hit? hence why I mentioned it into my post. Same way that I can't just have droids attacking my opponent instead of me, they are just for flavour and fluff no?

"Through the wall" could mean two things, and regardless of what you meant in terms of the word "Through" you opened it up to interpretation. As far as I was concerned, I was more than happy for you guys to smash a hole in the wall - It wouldn't be a very good PvP if we didn't allow you into the building. It was your sides writing that left the where abouts of the vehicle up to interpretation, saying that you drove it through the wall and not saying anything after that and that is the only reason that I wrote in what happened to it afterward, I certainly did not mean to commandeer your equipment or ruin what you guys had in mind. In the future it'll be much easier to clarify things.

As for the tone, I was merely replying in the tone that I read your message. If you didn't mean it so accusingly then I apologise, however it very much brushed me up the wrong way.

 

[Nefieslab]

I was under the impression that any NPC's were considered an auto hit? hence why I mentioned it into my post. Same way that I can't just have droids attacking my opponent instead of me, they are just for flavour and fluff no?

"Through the wall" could mean two things, and regardless of what you meant in terms of the word "Through" you opened it up to interpretation. As far as I was concerned, I was more than happy for you guys to smash a hole in the wall - It wouldn't be a very good PvP if we didn't allow you into the building. It was your sides writing that left the where abouts of the vehicle up to interpretation, saying that you drove it through the wall and not saying anything after that and that is the only reason that I wrote in what happened to it afterward, I certainly did not mean to commandeer your equipment or ruin what you guys had in mind. In the future it'll be much easier to clarify things.

As for the tone, I was merely replying in the tone that I read your message. If you didn't mean it so accusingly then I apologise, however it very much brushed me up the wrong way.

Any NPCs yes but again the drone is played equipment being controlled by a player - see above my example wherein if we consider hits on player equipment autohit then I could shoot your grenade out of the air perfectly because ediwa confirms it in his post

I apologize for bringing up tone at all - let's just drop that line and move on yeah?

So we're agreed on the last part of my last post yeah?

 

[Algarus]

Again, I have no issues with any of these things and feel fine with this. @Tsunami you good?

 

[Tsunami]

I have edited my post also, hoping to reflect what you have changed. Note ;

Wording to "attempt to hit" the drone
No longer a mound of rubble, but rubble, dust and debris all over the new entrance.

MTV Crib Tours incoming.

 

[Nefieslab]

I have edited my post also, hoping to reflect what you have changed. Note ;

Wording to "attempt to hit" the drone
No longer a mound of rubble, but rubble, dust and debris all over the new entrance.

MTV Crib Tours incoming.

"I heard you like cars - so we put a car in your wall!"

 

[Algarus]

@Ediwa Hey Edi, just want to give you some clarification after reading your post. There is no balcony or walkway leading into above us leading that room, the door we are hunkered down by is the only way in or out of the room. If I'm misreading your post in any way let me know. Unless you mean you're trying to go through the second floor of the building?

 

[Ediwa]

@Ediwa Hey Edi, just want to give you some clarification after reading your post. There is no balcony or walkway leading into above us leading that room, the door we are hunkered down by is the only way in or out of the room. If I'm misreading your post in any way let me know. Unless you mean you're trying to go through the second floor of the building?

Hey bro! Yes, second floor. Trying to get to the room above the room you're in.

 

[Tsunami]

Hey bro! Yes, second floor. Trying to get to the room above the room you're in.

Just FYI, totally fine that you have added an additional floor in, we didn't state there wasn't - however please bare in mind that the windows are sealed (as per previous post) so you'll have to blow your way in!

 

[Nefieslab]

Just FYI, totally fine that you have added an additional floor in, we didn't state there wasn't - however please bare in mind that the windows are sealed (as per previous post) so you'll have to blow your way in!

Didn't his post mention that it was shit out by NPCs? Two soldiers iirc - would at least two rifle blaster shots not be more than enough to blow open a window?

 

[Tsunami]

Didn't his post mention that it was shit out by NPCs? Two soldiers iirc - would at least two rifle blaster shots not be more than enough to blow open a window?

I mean if it was glass then sure? I had not intended it to be glass locking down glass but seeing as I don't want to debate I will just say Yes the blaster shots will suffice.

 

[Algarus]

Just posted. I'm planning on making edits when I'm home and have more time to look it over

 

[Nefieslab]

Just posted. I'm planning on making edits when I'm home and have more time to look it over

Yeah I'm going to be honest algarus - I've got some major issues with your post

Do you want me to give them now or do you want to wait until after you've edited? It's just I dont want you to have to edit twice