Successful Negotiations

[Algarus]

Yeah I'm going to be honest algarus - I've got some major issues with your post

Do you want me to give them now or do you want to wait until after you've edited? It's just I dont want you to have to edit twice

Go ahead and list them. It'll help once I have time to sit down and address it later. If it's about the shots, I figured realistically since you didn't know our exact location you would need to find the target, aim and fire. Given your level, the lack of clarification as you never said you were aiming seemingly without taking that into account, and the recoil from the fire, I thought it was reasonable that this would be the outcome. If you disagree we can discuss it.

 

[Nefieslab]

Go ahead and list them. It'll help once I have time to sit down and address it later. If it's about the shots, I figured realistically since you didn't know our exact location you would need to find the target, aim and fire. Given your level, the lack of clarification as you never said you were aiming seemingly without taking that into account, and the recoil from the fire, I thought it was reasonable that this would be the outcome. If you disagree we can discuss it.

Alright I'll list the main one since it would mean the rest of my issues are addressed if this is accepted

You took one shot from a duel shot burst fire rifle when the shots are functionally happening at the same time. I agree with your post that you couldn't dodge (you were locked into another action at the time) but you wouldn't be able to take just one of the two bolts. Because of that, the rest of your post would just plain not happen since two medium blaster bolts would have hit you in the face - I'm not going to argue that you should be dead but I will argue that you are down for the count.

First shot blows your armour apart and you get bleed through damage

Second shot is right to your head

 

[Nefieslab]

Alright I'll list the main one since it would mean the rest of my issues are addressed if this is accepted

You took one shot from a duel shot burst fire rifle when the shots are functionally happening at the same time. I agree with your post that you couldn't dodge (you were locked into another action at the time) but you wouldn't be able to take just one of the two bolts. Because of that, the rest of your post would just plain not happen since two medium blaster bolts would have hit you in the face - I'm not going to argue that you should be dead but I will argue that you are down for the count.

First shot blows your armour apart and you get bleed through damage

Second shot is right to your head

Just for clarification, Tomic shot his first of two shots (which carrys two bolts) as you were firing at the drone - so there were 2 bolts heading at you as you fired at the drone and 2 follow up bolts

 

[Algarus]

Alright I'll list the main one since it would mean the rest of my issues are addressed if this is accepted

You took one shot from a duel shot burst fire rifle when the shots are functionally happening at the same time. I agree with your post that you couldn't dodge (you were locked into another action at the time) but you wouldn't be able to take just one of the two bolts. Because of that, the rest of your post would just plain not happen since two medium blaster bolts would have hit you in the face - I'm not going to argue that you should be dead but I will argue that you are down for the count.

First shot blows your armour apart and you get bleed through damage

Second shot is right to your head

Yes and I'm stating that given the above info, you wouldn't be able to hit me will too shots. You were not aiming, you have recoil, and your level is being taken into account. I don't see how this is an issue given my armor is effectively compromised at this moment. I can tell you from first hand experience the maneuver you attempted to pull of is nearly impossible to pull off unless you are in the top level of military experience. You didn't factor in recoil, nor aiming, and you describe how you had another set of shots readied for if anyone else did anything. Is that reasonable explanation?

 

[Nefieslab]

Yes and I'm stating that given the above info, you wouldn't be able to hit me will too shots. You were not aiming, you have recoil, and your level is being taken into account. I don't see how this is an issue given my armor is effectively compromised at this moment. I can tell you from first hand experience the maneuver you attempted to pull of is nearly impossible to pull off unless you are in the top level of military experience. You didn't factor in recoil, nor aiming, and you describe how you had another set of shots readied for if anyone else did anything. Is that reasonable explanation?

I was aiming - I fired at you when you were firing at the drone.
Recoil is hardly an issue in star wars - there's no gunpowder explosion to cause said recoil
Duel shots happen at the same time to the same location - you can't choose to take just one of them

Even with one shot getting through though your post would still need work because you've ignored bleed through damage entirely to get hit in the face by a fiery explosion and then immediately move on - like almost half your helmet just got exploded

 

[Nefieslab]

To stop this from turning into a long winded argument and so we can move on, I can just ask for a ruling

Saves us from risking getting heated or anything

@Algarus

 

[Tsunami]

1) Recoil is in star wars... As seen here - I could find you a million other examples of recoil on blasters but seeing as this OOC is already at 3 pages, and has been time consuming enough I currently cba.

2) Recoil is increased when firing in a burst capacity, hence why anyone who has fired a rifle knows you always aim for Center of mass, the second shot would of gone high.

3) She has stated she is in pain, and thus has not done an aimed shot or anything precise, she has merely ducked backwards from being hit in the head, and then - As would happen in real life, you Return Fire in the general direction of the threat.

spraying a wave of fire towards the hole in the wall

Not accurate. Seeing though, as she has the fire power advantage using a repeater, the guns are not made to be accurate but to stop you from popping your head out.

I don't see anything unfairly done in that post IMO.

 

[Algarus]

To stop this from turning into a long winded argument and so we can move on, I can just ask for a ruling

Saves us from risking getting heated or anything.

@Algarus

I'm okay with asking for a ruling. I think we can discuss this with reason, but if you insist we can do that. Though I do want to inform you that the maunever you pulled off, going for the target and attempting this shot is amazingly difficult especially when you had to establish the target, take aim and fire. But we can check with others.

I went back and further clarified my post to ensure there is no confusion upon review. (:

 

[Nefieslab]

Post reported guys so thread is on hold - no posts, no edits

@Ediwa
@Algarus @Tsunami

 

[GABA]

I will have a ruling for you guys this evening!

 

[Algarus]

I will have a ruling for you guys this evening!

Thank you Gaba!

 

[Tsunami]

I will have a ruling for you guys this evening!

Thank you, I am sorry that you are going to lose your own time to deal with another OOC cluster fuck that is now 3 times as long as the original thread.

 

[Algarus]

Thank you, I am sorry that you are going to lose your own time to deal with another OOC cluster **** that is now 3 times as long as the original thread.

Nah, this isn't a cluster. Everyone's been pretty chill so far, and hopefully that'll continue going forward.

 

[GABA]

So after reviewing the weapon and the original post made my Algarus, it was concluded by the admins in regards to the weapon that the shots would be individual bursts, since two shots at the same time would be OP of weapon in PVP. Do note, the admin team has taken note of such weapons (double barrel, semi-auto, etc.) and will be making sure we review acceptable PvP weapons for nuTL.

ADMIN RULING: Due to Crystal's focus on attempting to shoot down the droid and successfully doing so in Algarus' consecutive post, she will not have much time to react to the rifle shots fired by the Tomic. She will take a hit to the head from the rifle shot and not a grazing, but it will not be fatal, the other bolts will miss as the impact of the first shot will send her back and disoriented. Extra focus will be required for Crystal if she wishes to continue as the pain from hit will be quite distracting, accuracy of hits from blasters or rifles will be reduced, and her stamina will quickly be depleting as the fight moves onward. Medical attention is advised.

As always, all rulings are final and not up for debate. The posting clock has resumed in conclusion of this ruling.

@Algarus @Nefieslab @Tsunami

 

[Algarus]

Thank you Gaba! @Tsunami You're up. I'll edit my post accordingly if needed.

 

[Nefieslab]

Thank you Gaba! @Tsunami You're up. I'll edit my post accordingly if needed.

An edit is required for everything after the hit I think because right now it's got you getting up as if its nothing and firing on me - I dont want to ignore them because of the ruling and get smacked by an autohit

 

[Nefieslab]

So after reviewing the weapon and the original post made my Algarus, it was concluded by the admins in regards to the weapon that the shots would be individual bursts, since two shots at the same time would be OP of weapon in PVP. Do note, the admin team has taken note of such weapons (double barrel, semi-auto, etc.) and will be making sure we review acceptable PvP weapons for nuTL.

ADMIN RULING: Due to Crystal's focus on attempting to shoot down the droid and successfully doing so in Algarus' consecutive post, she will not have much time to react to the rifle shots fired by the Tomic. She will take a hit to the head from the rifle shot and not a grazing, but it will not be fatal, the other bolts will miss as the impact of the first shot will send her back and disoriented. Extra focus will be required for Crystal if she wishes to continue as the pain from hit will be quite distracting, accuracy of hits from blasters or rifles will be reduced, and her stamina will quickly be depleting as the fight moves onward. Medical attention is advised.

As always, all rulings are final and not up for debate. The posting clock has resumed in conclusion of this ruling.

@Algarus @Nefieslab @Tsunami

Just to confirm going forwards - are we saying that all burst fire weapons aren't shooting two in one trigger pull? Would this be the case for my quickdraw pistol as well?

 

[Tsunami]

Wait is this what this has all been about? The confusion of what burst weaponry does?

Good lord.

So how long from the time of THIS post do I now have to post?

 

[Algarus]

Wait is this what this has all been about? The confusion of what burst weaponry does?

Good lord.

So how long from the time of THIS post do I now have to post?

I believe you have.....at least 15 hours remaining.

 

[Nefieslab]

I believe you have.....at least 15 hours remaining.

I counted 14 but yeah you've got some time @Tsunami

Also the main point of contention was the amount of damage taken