Timeline Change Date and FL Applications

[Jax Vos]

I can only accept one explanation, but feel that whoever uses a non-FS as the Supreme Leader is just asking for their character to be killed eventually. At some point early on a Sith Lord will take control because he can't stand the soldier in charge.

 

[Fen Vel]

Isn't any Sith FL signing a dead warrant for themselves somewhere down the line?

 

[Sapphire Storm]

Isn't any Sith FL signing a dead warrant for themselves somewhere down the line?

Pretty much, unless they're strong enough to defeat anyone that might challenge them. That's how the Sith work, though. If you're not strong enough to rule then someone who is stronger will tear you down and replace you.

 

[Nor'baal]

Anyone who enters the Sith Faction and only wants to see a FS in a position of power is in my mind being very narrow minded. There are several situations in Canon (or old Canon) in which a non-FS has been leader/in a top job of the Empire/the Sith Empire in some capacity.

I think it is a very good idea for the Sith Faction to have a Non-FS Leader, and anyone who enters the faction thinking that they have a god given right to be leader of the faction just because their character is a Force-Sensitive is damaging the faction with such a view. FS characters are not any better or more special than any other character, and they should not be treated as such.

I would like to nominate @TAC as Republic Faction Leader in addition to my other comments here, as I think he would make a fantastic leader, and clearly has the motivation and desire to take a leading role in the faction.

 

[Epicjester]

Personally I'd love the idea of a non-FS running the Sith. It would be a nice change of pace. Plus whoever would be the faction leader would have to be one BAMF in order to stay on top. So that would be nice.

 

[Tsunami]

@Nor'baal

It is not about beliving a Force Sensitive is better. If we are looking back and someone told you that Darth Sideous was just a face, he was actually following orders of an honour guard... You would have been like no way, not a chance.

Even though those dudes in red are some of the strongest, best trained and ruthless people in the Galaxy. It just wouldn't have made sense.

So again, it is not the fact FS are better than non-FS, but the fact that:

1.) Whenever the Sith fall into disarray it has always been the strongest who takes the top spot. So I struggle to see a member from the SBZ being that...
2.) I feel it is going to be exceptionally hard, for the guy from the SBZ to lead. ICly, a lot of characters wouldn't think of a soldier, assassin or criminal as their superior. That create an awkward conflict.

I know that PvP has been balanced a lot better in terms of FS vs non-FS. That's something very cool for someone like me with two indies. However if we looked at it with PvP out of the question, across the entire Sith empire it would be hard to believe there was no Palpatines, Banes or Vitiates who could squash a regular roll character.

It'd be like having Senators or BA on the Jedi Council. (If they were on the same side ofc)

 

[Marf]

I hate the Supreme Leader title. Sorry, but we're not the First Order.

Having a non-FS leader would make for good RP for both my Sith. Andromeda would think it was awesome and would bro-fist her fellow soldier. Serebin would be outright disgusted, but y'know, that would be fun to write.

 

[Nor'baal]

Imagine what would have happened if any of those Red Guard had gone on to rule the Galaxy, or a significant portion of it. Indeed, what would be more strange is if a non-force user founded their own Empire after the death of Palpatine, or an Admiral could have done it, maybe even a Moff?

A slavelord could do something similar, with his own Dark Jedi. Or an Alien Admiral? Maybe even a man who had never seen combat before?

Sarcasm aside, what I am saying is that assuming the Leader of the Sith faction must be a Force-Sensitive is just wrong. It has never been said ever in the Lore (both old and new) that Leader must be a FS.

Spoiler: NuCanon TFA Shizz

In fact taking the new Canon on its own, the First Order is actually ruled by a collection of officers, and potentially Snoke isn't even an FS.

Anyway, cut the long story short - the Sith Empire/Remnant/Faction is only going to fall into the usual trap if the FL needs to be a Force-User.

 

[Eccles]

Having a non-FS leader would make for good RP for both my Sith. Andromeda would think it was awesome and would bro-fist her fellow soldier. Serebin would be outright disgusted, but y'know, that would be fun to write.

This is prolly the way to look at it @Tsunami

 

[Tsunami]

@Nor'baal

I totally get you, but whenever you look back at the Sith. You see these hugely powerful characters who battle it out or take the throne unopposed because of their power. Especially before the Rule of Two.

So it's hard for me to think that Pre-timeline, of all those character archetypes like Bane, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Palpatine, Vitiate. That there is no one who would have stepped in and fried a non-FS.

I would also like to say, that my gripe is not with whoever the faction leader is. Regardless if they turn out to be SBZ or Sith, they have my full support OCC if they need help and I can help. ICly though, they are going to need to do something impressive to make be go, hell. This is the guy to follow.

 

[Livgardist]

Exciting!

 

[TAC]

I personally think that a non-FS in control of the Sith would be fantastic. Its hard for anyone to keep control in a winner-takes-all leadership style, but I think the arguments here are a little narrow minded. If the background and context says that the SBZ is powerful, and a playerat the table, it makes perfect sense for an SBZ to be the Supreme Leader. You're allowing your definition of the sith be limited to the run-of-the-mill sith we have every timeline and in every movie.

If an SBZ was in charge, it could very well be that the Sith not DARE challenge them, because the power of the SBZ military force far outweights the abilities of the sith. So as long as the SBZis relatively united behind a ruler, they have some theoretical immunity. Do you see all the absolutely spectacular role-playing opportunities that spring from that?

 

[Sapphire Storm]

ICly though, they are going to need to do something impressive to make be go, hell. This is the guy to follow.

That is what literally every leader of the Sith has needed to do forever, regardless of their state of Force sensitivity.

 

[Epicjester]

I like it for two reasons.

Having a non-FS as the leader will no doubt rustle the jimmies of many Sith. Which prompts powerplays, alliances and inter-faction conflict right out of the gate. Which fittingly enough, is more in the spirit of the Sith. Chances are they will try even harder to take the throne for themselves if their pride is on the line.

Secondly, it will subvert the usually image of the evil space wizard being the main antagonist when it comes to movies. (I never EU'd much so all I have are the films and some TV tropes.) And it would help promote the image that the SBZ are on equal footing with the Sith in terms of hierarchy. Instead of just being the lapdogs that the Imperial Troopers were in the past.

 

[Internecion]

On that note; it may be interesting to have a dictatorship or warlike military structure - with a SBZ sovereign ruling body (in the case of a non FS Supreme Leader) with an entire cabal of Sith Lords acting as special units in vast different ways. Keeping true to the esoteric, mysterious projection the Sith may be characterized with this timeline. It could be interesting to have Dark Side using units in military structure; fighting alongside organized platoons of ground soldiers to compliment certain raids, and it could also bring an interesting edge to any intelligence or otherwise 'spy' centered military missions. Just a thought.

 

[Tsunami]

That is what literally every leader of the Sith has needed to do forever, regardless of their state of Force sensitivity.

Not all. Some were followed because they were respected not powerful.

 

[Tristyn]

Wait...the Jedi got an army?

Shit is about to get real.

 

[Marcus]

Wait...the Jedi got an army?

Shit is about to get real.

We ARE the army... watch out, now!

 

[Tristyn]

We ARE the army... watch out, now!

I'm also with the Jedi you know.

 

[Marcus]

To match short replies, yes, I know.