Turn The Tide(Assault on Coruscant) OCC

[Cailst]

Lavi didn't state whether it was spread fire or concentrated fire, so don't assume it did no damage. Corrdinated fire from 45 ships will do a lot of damage, even to a fleet twice the size, especially if say they concentrate on 10 ships towards the fore of your formation.

No. Just no.

He didn't say it was concentrated and especially where it was concentrated so I'll assume that it was spread out as he doesn't have to explain it. Also, I did say there was some disruption to our ships, just not the ship I was on.


What's wrong with taking moons into account? I looked up Coruscant and it has three moons, surely one could interfere with our battle and prove to be advantageous.

 

[Ols]

He didn't say it was concentrated and especially where it was concentrated so I'll assume that it was spread out as he doesn't have to explain it. Also, I did say there was some disruption to our ships, just not the ship I was on.


What's wrong with taking moons into account? I looked up Coruscant and it has three moons, surely one could interfere with our battle and prove to be advantageous.

Or you assume he fires, and not whether it's spread out or concentrated. You would take some damages.

Well...the distances of the moons form the planet is something we don't know, so whether they could be close enough to interfere is something we don't know. We also don't know how big they are, or how fast their orbit is. Hypothetically if they were on the perfect vector and the perfect size to go between the fleets, it might take a day for it to pass. We don't take moons into account because it's too complex, too unlikely and because, odds are it's so big it wouldn't make a difference to the battle as the distance between the ships isn't that big.

And also, it poses the problem of who controls the moons. So it's probably best not to bring them up.

 

[Green Ranger]

I'll RP the moons.

'The moons were feeling somewhat sadistic today and decided to shift their orbit and squish everyone.'

 

[Cailst]

Or you assume he fires, and not whether it's spread out or concentrated. You would take some damages.

Well...the distances of the moons form the planet is something we don't know, so whether they could be close enough to interfere is something we don't know. We also don't know how big they are, or how fast their orbit is. Hypothetically if they were on the perfect vector and the perfect size to go between the fleets, it might take a day for it to pass. We don't take moons into account because it's too complex, too unlikely and because, odds are it's so big it wouldn't make a difference to the battle as the distance between the ships isn't that big.

And also, it poses the problem of who controls the moons. So it's probably best not to bring them up.

I said some ships were disrupted, that's pretty much what he said when we fired upon him except that his ship was also disrupted as well.

As for the moons, we could be in their orbit as we haven't even stated where we are in relationship to the planet or the moons. Until more information exists, I could assume that we are in the vector of the moon as there is a chance the moon can interrupt the battle and I'm not inventing it.

 

[Lavi]

I'd think that moons don't travel fast enough to be a space hazard. Or else, space traffic would be chaotic. The targets I meant to have chosen would be the ships at the vanguard of the Alsakan fleet, since the % accuracy is much higher there than going for some ship in the rear.

 

[Ols]

I said some ships were disrupted, that's pretty much what he said when we fired upon him except that his ship was also disrupted as well.

As for the moons, we could be in their orbit as we haven't even stated where we are in relationship to the planet or the moons. Until more information exists, I could assume that we are in the vector of the moon as there is a chance the moon can interrupt the battle and I'm not inventing it.

I'm not that bothered about the firing. I was just saying don't assume whether it's spread out or concentrated.

But a moon won't interupt the battle. It's a silly idea, and will only cause OOC problems for both sides.

 

[Green Ranger]

Plus both attacking and defending forces would be aware the moon would interfere with the conflict zone long before it became an issue. Why attack from a direction if you know a giant rock is going to get in your way?

 

[Cailst]

I'd think that moons don't travel fast enough to be a space hazard. Or else, space traffic would be chaotic. The targets I meant to have chosen would be the ships at the vanguard of the Alsakan fleet, since the % accuracy is much higher there than going for some ship in the rear.

Then when you attack, state that. When Raider attacked you, I don't remember him stating specific targets and you took some damage so I decided to take a little less damage than you did as it would be more difficult to hurt my fleet.

As for the moon, it's not a space hazard, it's just something that's in the way.

Also, the Republic was headed towards Coruscant anyways and not toward the my fleet anyways.

 

[Ols]

Then when you attack, state that. When Raider attacked you, I don't remember him stating specific targets and you took some damage so I decided to take a little less damage than you did as it would be more difficult to hurt my fleet.

As for the moon, it's not a space hazard, it's just something that's in the way.

Also, the Republic was headed towards Coruscant anyways and not toward the my fleet anyways.

No, the Republic is going towards your fleet. Which is between us and Coruscant. And you have no prescence on Coruscant anyway, you never landed troops and took over, you just blockaded it. The blockade, which we've attacked, is quite far out from the planet.

 

[Cailst]

No, the Republic is going towards your fleet. Which is between us and Coruscant. And you have no prescence on Coruscant anyway, you never landed troops and took over, you just blockaded it. The blockade, which we've attacked, is quite far out from the planet.

But prior to the reinforcements arriving, the moon would have been unimportant to the battle so there would have been no mention of it. However, given the changed situation, now the moon has importance. I don't really see what is wrong with bringing in possible terrain features. Plus, I'm sure that they can come up with a way to use it as well given it's current trajectory would be known and can now be potentially used by both sides.

 

[Lavi]

Then when you attack, state that. When Raider attacked you, I don't remember him stating specific targets and you took some damage so I decided to take a little less damage than you did as it would be more difficult to hurt my fleet.

This is my first time (or second, if you count the Bess attack) at commanding a fleet of my own. Of course I'm going to make some errors.

 

[Cailst]

This is my first time (or second, if you count the Bess attack) at commanding a fleet of my own. Of course I'm going to make some errors.

This is my first time as well. I'm simply using how your response to Raider's attack and then applying it to my situation with modifiers for the comparative sizes of our fleets.

 

[lol not primary]

First off, No Republic Ships ever made an actual advance on Coruscant or the enemy fleet. We simply got into various formations. Now that Raider had the fleet attack my Reinforcements(Lavi), I sent a few of my ships to Reinforce him, while I maneuvered the bulk of my Fleet to get into a better position.

Secondly, I agree that adding Moons into the equation is kinda dumb and unrealistic, as most, if not all, Ship Captains would be informed of the Trajectories and Velocities of the moons so as to jump into the area around Coruscant without the moons interfering with their business at hand.

 

[Cailst]

First off, No Republic Ships ever made an actual advance on Coruscant or the enemy fleet. We simply got into various formations. Now that Raider had the fleet attack my Reinforcements(Lavi), I sent a few of my ships to Reinforce him, while I maneuvered the bulk of my Fleet to get into a better position.

Secondly, I agree that adding Moons into the equation is kinda dumb and unrealistic, as most, if not all, Ship Captains would be informed of the Trajectories and Velocities of the moons so as to jump into the area around Coruscant without the moons interfering with their business at hand.

If I remove the moon, can we actually have quantitative distances and ranges so both of our perceptions of the battle can be the same and it would be harder to do something that was previously thought to be impossible by the other.

 

[lol not primary]

The problem is, I don't think anybody(myself included) knows the ranges of these weapons. That's why I've been using general terms like, "Just out of range" and such, so as to give some sort of distance, but not too exact. If anyone can give me ranges on Capital Ship Weapons and such, It'd be appreciated, but until then, we really don't have much of a choice on terminology and such.

 

[Cailst]

The problem is, I don't think anybody(myself included) knows the ranges of these weapons. That's why I've been using general terms like, "Just out of range" and such, so as to give some sort of distance, but not too exact. If anyone can give me ranges on Capital Ship Weapons and such, It'd be appreciated, but until then, we really don't have much of a choice on terminology and such.

We could also decide ranges based on what we believe would work for a battle. Also speeds would be a good thing to decide.

 

[Ols]

We could also decide ranges based on what we believe would work for a battle. Also speeds would be a good thing to decide.

There's no need for them. We can estimate base on what we know from the films and EU, and on top of that it takes away even more of the creativity of freeform. As long as "just out of range" for one side's X-Class Ship is the same as the other's X-Class Ship and "just in range" is the same for both side's Y-Class Ships etc.

But even so, a moon would not be able to get in the way, so please remove that.

 

[Cailst]

There's no need for them. We can estimate base on what we know from the films and EU, and on top of that it takes away even more of the creativity of freeform. As long as "just out of range" for one side's X-Class Ship is the same as the other's X-Class Ship and "just in range" is the same for both side's Y-Class Ships etc.

But even so, a moon would not be able to get in the way, so please remove that.

I fixed that and adjusted a few other things in that post.

Though wouldn't speeds still be useful as it would ensure that both sides know exactly where the other's are. Perhaps a picture would work.

 

[Kit]

A Message for the Republic commanders will be received shortly (in the next Republic post, no less!) that will read something like this;

For the eyes of Admiral Caydern.

Despite heavy losses incurred over Metellos, an Alsakan fleet will be arriving at Coruscant. There will be roughly sixty ships, all in working order. Further reinforcements are en route. Forty-five ships led by Captain Wolff should arrive to assist you shortly.

Signed, Captain Olivier de Ridefort.

 

[lol not primary]

I fixed that and adjusted a few other things in that post.

Though wouldn't speeds still be useful as it would ensure that both sides know exactly where the other's are. Perhaps a picture would work.

Relative speeds are fine, I would think. Corvettes are faster than Frigates, Frigates are faster than Carriers, that sort of thing.