United States Presidential Election, 2016

[Nor'baal]

Just one small thing, how can the USA complain about immigrants - when the USA is a nation that was founded by immigrants?

I mean, if you want to apply to same thinking Trump uses to it:

The United States was founded by terrorists, who succeeded from a sovereign nation (The British Empire) illegally. As such, should the United States not be welcoming all immigrants with open arms?

Please Note: I am deliberately being contrervesial here, but to be honest no more so than Donald "All Mexicans are rapists" Trump.

 

[Nor'baal]

In addition, owning 20 guns is a bit extreme to be fair. You're not exactly helping the gun toting stereotype there.

And before the tirade starts - a white American owning twenty guns and voting Trump is just as stereotypical as a Black American listening to rap and I dunno, playing basketball?

Both stereotypes are just as bad, but don't be suprised when you scream "Trump!" And wave your twenty guns around, if people assign such a stereotype to you.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

In addition, owning 20 guns is a bit extreme to be fair. You're not exactly helping the gun toting stereotype there.

And before the tirade starts - a white American owning twenty guns and voting Trump is just as stereotypical as a Black American listening to rap and I dunno, playing basketball?

Both stereotypes are just as bad, but don't be suprised when you scream "Trump!" And wave your twenty guns around, if people assign such a stereotype to you.

I don't own twenty guns, I was saying how unnecessary owning twenty guns is.

I do however own a few (Some I can't own legally, but my father told me they were mine when I come of age.)

And I do believe people should own guns. But I also believe it should be in moderation. I have a few friends, and my very own father, own many guns and by many I mean 10-20. To me that is unnecessary

 

[Nor'baal]

I don't own twenty guns, I was saying how unnecessary owning twenty guns is.

I do however own a few (Some I can't own legally, but my father told me they were mine when I come of age.)

And I do believe people should own guns. But I also believe it should be in moderation. I have a few friends, and my very own father, own many guns and by many I mean 10-20. To me that is unnecessary

I own a phone, which I use to contact Law Enforcement.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

I own a phone, which I use to contact Law Enforcement.

Googled it: "According to American Police Beat, the average response time for an emergency call is 10 minutes. Atlanta has the worst response time with 11 to 12 minutes and Nashville comes in at a lightning speed of 9 minutes"

You own a cell phone but I'd rather have my Beretta if someone broke into my house and threatened my family.

 

[Nor'baal]

In the UK, the response time is 10 minutes.
I would rather not start a gunfight in my home.

As this is getting heated, please - have a picture of Hugh Laurie to calm things down.

 

[Warmonger]

Just one small thing, how can the USA complain about immigrants - when the USA is a nation that was founded by immigrants?

I mean, if you want to apply to same thinking Trump uses to it:

The United States was founded by terrorists, who succeeded from a sovereign nation (The British Empire) illegally. As such, should the United States not be welcoming all immigrants with open arms?

Please Note: I am deliberately being contrervesial here, but to be honest no more so than Donald "All Mexicans are rapists" Trump.

The US has a long long history of not liking immigrants who are too different from the contemporary mainstream of American society. Back in the 1700s, admittedly before we were a country, Catholics had one sanctuary and that was basically the state of Maryland. Anywhere else, and the persecution was heavy. In the 1840s and 1850s Americans weren't too fond of new Irish immigrants who tended to be poor, Catholic, and (stereotypically) hard drinkers. For god's sake, a political party, the American Party (also known as the Know-Nothings) was formed in order to specifically promote anti-immigrant ideas around that time. The 1870s and 1880s saw a wave of Chinese immigrants to the West. Result? The passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. During the early 20th century new groups of immigrants, mostly from southern and eastern Europe, started arriving. They overwhelmingly tended to be either Catholic (Italians, Poles) or Jewish. They were also discriminated against. The Ku Klux Klan, for example, wasn't just anti-African American. A large part of their ideology involved being anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic. In fact, their membership shot up during the 1920s and reached a high of around five to six million people in 1925 in the South, the Midwest, and the West after being dormant for forty or so years (its resurgence is partially due to the popularity of the rabidly racist film Birth of a Nation). To give you context, the population of the United States according to the 1920 census was just over 100 million people.

Even within the United States, mass internal migration saw anti-migrant sentiment. The Great Migrations were two periods in American history where massive numbers of African-Americans moved out of their more rural homes in the South and into northern cities like Detroit, New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, etc. in search of a better lifestyle. The natives of those cities and many smaller cities in the North didn't like that so many black people, who were willing to do industrial jobs for lower wages than whites who were often union workers, were taking their jobs. As a result, unions often shut out potential black members and racism became rampant within the labor movement.

In addition, owning 20 guns is a bit extreme to be fair. You're not exactly helping the gun toting stereotype there.

And before the tirade starts - a white American owning twenty guns and voting Trump is just as stereotypical as a Black American listening to rap and I dunno, playing basketball?

Both stereotypes are just as bad, but don't be suprised when you scream "Trump!" And wave your twenty guns around, if people assign such a stereotype to you.

I do find it absurd that people feel the need to own more than two guns. Unless you are a hunter, sport shooter, or gun collector, you've got no real reason to own more than two or three guns. It just seems compensatory to me to need more than a couple guns for self-defense if you aren't an avid hunter or sport shooter.

In the UK, the response time is 10 minutes.
I would rather not start a gunfight in my home.

As this is getting heated, please - have a picture of Hugh Laurie to calm things down.

I do feel calmer. :p

I don't own twenty guns, I was saying how unnecessary owning twenty guns is.

I do however own a few (Some I can't own legally, but my father told me they were mine when I come of age.)

And I do believe people should own guns. But I also believe it should be in moderation. I have a few friends, and my very own father, own many guns and by many I mean 10-20. To me that is unnecessary

Personally, I'd like to own a couple of firearms when I get older and actually have some money. Mostly just antique rifles and a musket or two, though. Pistols are pretty dangerous, more dangerous than a lot give credit for, and I got no interest in any automatic weapons.

 

[Cheshire]

I am British.
I live on an island that predominantly subsists on tea and misery.

As such, forgive my silly question: Can't both parties just railroad through a candidate at their national conventions?

Ahhh Britain, we live on complaining and moaning about life

 

[Mr.BossMan]

In the UK, the response time is 10 minutes.
I would rather not start a gunfight in my home.

As this is getting heated, please - have a picture of Hugh Laurie to calm things down.

I hope i didn't come off as rude, please know I did not intend to be.

Sincerely.

 

[Jake]

At my end of the world, people are peering aghast into the roiling smog of what's unfolding in the US and scratching their heads at the moment. If nothing else this thread has proved an interesting window into the colliding viewpoints of people representing very different sides of that conflict. :P

 

[Richie B.]

Let's go Bernie and save teenagers from a 5 figure debt they got from a college with too much money

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

Let's go Bernie and save teenagers from a 5 figure debt they got from a college with too much money

That is one of the few things that I agree with Bernie Sanders about. Eliminating student loan debt would amazing for the huge debt problem we have within our populace

Also, to the democrats: Please democrats, pick Sanders. I can live with Sanders. Just please not Clinton. For all things decent and pure do not give us Hillary.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

One of the problems with student debt is that there already exists government programs to eliminate students debt. Its just a vast majority don't know and don't bother researching ways to reduce their debt or set up payment plans to alleviate student debt. They just want it instantly magically payed off. Everyone wants their debts cleared that way. I wish my bills work that way. But there are consequences for doing it that way. Which is what I don't like about Bernie Sanders platform. his whole stance is just something problems somewhere else.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

So Chicago. ..yeah...chicago. Anyone find it funny how the people shouting that trumps a facist just threatened violence over someone talking and then celebrated by assaulting/battering a bunch of people?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm largely staying out of this thread, because it's literally one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen on the site, but I have to respond to the above comment. There is so far no evidence from what I've seen that anti-Trump protestors were responsible for any violence last night. Indeed, Trump rallies have becoming increasingly violent due to the behavior of some Trump supporters. This is encouraged by the candidate himself, who frequently defends his violent supporters, who encourages roughly dealing with reporters, who says it's OK to hit people, and who say that protestors need to see "consequences" for expressing their constitutional rights.

This is an increasing problem, and it's likely that someone is going to end up being seriously hurt, or worse, at a Trump event due to the actions of Trump, his campaign, and some of his supporters.

I will now return to ignoring this thread.

 

[Law abiding heretic]

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[Nor'baal]

How dare someone not get a steady income and then start a political party they're clearly passionate about.

If only he had been given $200,000,000 by his Dad ;)

 

[Law abiding heretic]

How dare someone not get a steady income and then start a political party they're clearly passionate about.

If only he had been given $200,000,000 by his Dad ;)

It's kind of sketchy how someone who clearly did not know how to manage his own money now wants to take even more of my paycheck.

 

[Nor'baal]

I would argue a great many American and global politicians have no idea how to manage money.

 

[Law abiding heretic]

I would argue a great many American and global politicians have no idea how to manage money.

I wouldn't vote for them either