United States Presidential Election, 2016

[Brandon Rhea]

I lost interest at "feminazis."

 

[Kaane]

Well they exist. Their whole purpose is to be a deviation from change in American politics.

Our economic situation and thus all the problems raised by the pseudo-left would be solved in a heartbeat if we didn't have to keep making concessions to them and treat them like they actually have a legitimate argument, or a legitimate problem that needs answering.

There was literally once a campaign called #BanBossy, that got as many powerful feminine figures as possible to try and sway people from calling authoritative women bossy. Which ironically was funded by a massive conservative-leaning corporation. You can't tell me that's not ridiculous as all hell, and screams anti-free speech.

I personally believe there is only one class that matters, the working class. When petty divisions along gender, race, vocation, and identity are thrown away, it becomes an unstoppable force for actual change. With an end result that's not just some petty law or regulation to appease people who have no clue what they're talking about.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There's a societal bias in which men will often dismiss women as "bossy" when they're being assertive, in ways that men would not dismiss other men. It's generally subconscious, done with no active malice, but it makes it harder for women to advance in the workforce.

But sure, let's compare them to Nazis instead.

 

[Clayton]

With an end result that's not just some petty law or regulation to appease people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Yes, women have no idea about birth control, abortion, workplace perceptions towards women, any of that.

 

[The Captain]

There's a societal bias in which men will often dismiss women as "bossy" when they're being assertive, in ways that men would not dismiss other men. It's generally subconscious, done with no active malice, but it makes it harder for women to advance in the workforce.

But sure, let's compare them to Nazis instead.

Knowing full well that this might end with a big BANHAMMER shaped dent in my skull, I'm going to try and go to bat @Kaane

What I think he means is that it's becoming taboo in certain ways to criticize people inside a minority. Its like Islamaphobia, the second anyone says the word "Muslim" and the next words out of their mouth aren't praise or sympathy, that word gets tossed out and the conversation ends.

I think.

don't kill me

 

[Clayton]

Brandolph the Gray has no power here anymore.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Knowing full well that this might end with a big BANHAMMER shaped dent in my skull, I'm going to try and go to bat @Kaane

What I think he means is that it's becoming taboo in certain ways to criticize people inside a minority. Its like Islamaphobia, the second anyone says the word "Muslim" and the next words out of their mouth aren't praise or sympathy, that word gets tossed out and the conversation ends.

I think.

don't kill me

No, it's just taboo to say things that are racist, sexist, and what not. What you described is incredibly overblown, and it really doesn't happen that much. What DOES happen a lot is people saying racist or sexist things and then trying to say they're not racist or sexist. That's when they get smacked down.

Also, I'm not an admin. Why/how would I ban you? Why would you be banned for saying what you just said? That fear defies common sense and the logic of what actually happens on SWRP.

 

[The Captain]

No, it's just taboo to say things that are racist, sexist, and what not. What you described is incredibly overblown, and it really doesn't happen that much. What DOES happen a lot is people saying racist or sexist things and then trying to say they're not racist or sexist. That's when they get smacked down.

Also, I'm not an admin. Why/how would I ban you? Why would you be banned for saying what you just said? That fear defies common sense and the logic of what actually happens on SWRP.

True, but its not like certain groups don't use these tactics to stop inquiry.

And yeah, I figured I wouldn't get banned, but I have an admin and the ex-site owner on the opposite side of this issue. I'm a little paranoid about admins going authoritarian.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

True, but its not like certain groups don't use these tactics to stop inquiry.

And the other side of that equation is people saying things like "feminazis" to silence criticism of the status quo.

 

[Clayton]

True, but its not like certain groups don't use these tactics to stop inquiry.

And yeah, I figured I wouldn't get banned, but I have an admin and the ex-site owner on the opposite side of this issue. I'm a little paranoid about admins going authoritarian.

Please, I'm like one of the chillest admins you'll meet lol (I've got Smiley Bone as my avatar!). Unless you try to make power armor, then u get banned, scrub.

 

[The Captain]

And the other side of that equation is people saying things like "feminazis" to silence criticism of the status quo.

I was referring to how you can't talk about human rights violations in Israel or Saudi Arabia without someone calling you a bigot.

But yeah, there's a lot of that going around these days.

Whatever happened to open discourse?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I was referring to how you can't talk about human rights violations in Israel or Saudi Arabia without someone calling you a bigot.

I don't usually notice people calling other people a bigot for talking about human rights violations in Saudi Arabia. Those are pretty common knowledge.

Israel, of course, is another matter. There's a lot of cultural sensitivities around Israel in the United States, so, from what I've seen, there is more of what you're describing.

 

[The Captain]

Anywho, lets get back to the thing that might cause me to emigrate to Canada

 

[Kaane]

I'm not going to continue this any farther beyond defending my points a bit better. If anyone responds that's perfectly fine, i'm leaving it alone from there, since this thread is about the presidency.

There's a societal bias in which men will often dismiss women as "bossy" when they're being assertive, in ways that men would not dismiss other men. It's generally subconscious, done with no active malice, but it makes it harder for women to advance in the workforce.

But sure, let's compare them to Nazis instead.

This country is all about free speech. If we worry constantly about how our words will affect someone subconsciously, nothing would get done. PC is needed to keep politics civil, but when it prevents us from combating problems or becomes the only solution to one, I find that very un-intuitive. How about instead of banning a word we...i don't know...just provide counseling for women who need help in a harsh world, just as much as any person does? Teach women to ignore pointless criticisms and revalue their self worth? Help those in need without impeding the freedoms of another to say a word that is quite frankly unremarkable as words go? I mean, they could've gone with #BanWhore, #BanBitch, and they chose bossy instead?

And why I compared them to Nazis (at least in this case, beyond being a very fun moniker to employ) is because the way they want to control how certain words are used is tantamount to propaganda a Nazi might use to brainwash the masses.

Also, I tend to find intersectionalist feminism pointless because #1, not every woman fits into the mold of an ideal feminist nor wants to, despite the fact that they have an almost authoritarian ideal of what a woman should be. And #2, even not considering the BanBossy campaign, they do say some ridiculous, insane things. They complain about things that are already along the path to remedying in their own due course (bias in video gaming, cultural appropriation, whatever else, etc), and instead of helping the situation, they only make it worse with their rhetoric. I've watched a video where a feminist mother proclaims that she hopes her son remains in servitude to women and helps them along ahead of himself in the workforce. She'd put other women first before her own son. Frankly, that's sexist stuff right there if I've ever seen it.

Source:

Yes, women have no idea about birth control, abortion, workplace perceptions towards women, any of that.

I didn't claim that. The only people who are fighting against birth control and abortion are the far right, people like Donald Trump, and even moderates think they're the social equivalents of cavemen. As for workplace perceptions towards women, you can't make a law that says you have to perceive women a certain way. And even if it could be enforced, it strays along the lines of 1984 style dystopian mind control.

Overall their demands go beyond actual reasonable things like protecting the right for women to have abortions and birth control (WHICH I FRIGGIN SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY), they want FAR more than that.

I don't have a vendetta against women, I never will, and I respect them. I just don't respect belligerents and idiots who have destroyed the integrity of the left and made it a laughingstock.

 

[Jabonicus]

Also, I'm not an admin. Why/how would I ban you? Why would you be banned for saying what you just said? That fear defies common sense and the logic of what actually happens on SWRP.

Issue being that you continuously express admin powers, despite claiming you don't have them.

 

[Kaeb]

When did everyone on this site get so personal, childish and bitchy?

It's the internet, fucking relax people. You're here to get away from your shit, not bring your shit to other people. Grow up.

 

[Kaane]

I always bring the shit

I'm the shitman

 

[Mr.BossMan]

The talk about Admins banning you based off of you different views is nonsense. Trust me I'd be the one to know, as I am still here. However it does get intimidating, its nothing to worry about.

Moving on Feminazis do exist and I find them repulsive. I've never heard of the #BanBossy but as soon as you said it I was all like "here we go again." I also like how every time there is in opposition to things like this people chalk it up to "subconscious" discrimination. Like seriously if we were to believe all of that crap "subconsciously" America would be sexist, racist and class-ist(for lack of a better word). I find it all a bunch of BS.

Also, to answer my own question I think Trump will win regardless of what the polling data says. And I think we all know that Hillary believes she will win as I heard she is now moving money into Arizona and Texas. People speculate this is her trying to win over the House and Senate.

 

[Gamov]

You're here to get away from your shit, not bring your shit to other people.

Unfortunately, this is the landscape of the internet as we know it. It's so deeply ingrained within the very fabric of society that it has (to an almost Orwellian extent) become nearly impossible to disassociate our private lives from our online lives.

But such is the price of being able to engage in near instantaneous discourse across the globe at a click.

 

[Kaeb]

So you think Trump will in despite all data saying otherwise?

So you concentrate on your perceived version of a group of a much larger movement rather than recognising what the entire movement represents at large, which is the progression of socio-economic circumstances for women until it's a state of true equality for them?
EDIT: And to the post above me...lol wut dude? No, online anonymity is not an excuse to be a child, you can still conduct yourself with civility.