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1,2. Whatever helps you fall asleep at night.
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1,2. Whatever helps you fall asleep at night.
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I did, could understand it just fine for the record...
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Christianity blatantly plagiarizes ideas from other religions.
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Ah. That's a laugh.
Don't know where they got that from.
Anyways, who actually buys that garbage?:CIsee:
Apart from christmas, where the catholic church stole the time slot. The bible at least is original.
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Actually, it makes MUCH more sense that the bible was almost entirely influenced by the cultures and civilizations in the area of the middle east, than to say that it was come up with originally. Also, sheo slapped you with his links. And slapped you hard.
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Have you read the bible since you learned to read?
Have you also studied other ancient religions and history?
Most likely not, I have.
I know quite well how much of this is a load of taft, and it's a load of taft.
Judiasm predates pretty much anything you care to name that could have possibly "influenced it" and Christianity comes out of Judiasm (can't spell argh hate IE) and has next to nothing in common with "pagan" religions.
Things like Islam and eastern religions aren't even candidates for influencing christianity, since the gospels were written by people who lived exclusively in the mediterranean, and Islam comes after christianity.
So... apart from holidays and such, (some features were stolen from Pagan religions, but they aren't even in the bible anyways) there really isn't much you can claim was a pirated idea.
Have you also studied other ancient religions and history?
Most likely not, I have.
I know quite well how much of this is a load of taft, and it's a load of taft.
Judiasm predates pretty much anything you care to name that could have possibly "influenced it" and Christianity comes out of Judiasm (can't spell argh hate IE) and has next to nothing in common with "pagan" religions.
Things like Islam and eastern religions aren't even candidates for influencing christianity, since the gospels were written by people who lived exclusively in the mediterranean, and Islam comes after christianity.
So... apart from holidays and such, (some features were stolen from Pagan religions, but they aren't even in the bible anyways) there really isn't much you can claim was a pirated idea.
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Looking at the second one, it is obvious that some of the information is incorrect. Crucifixion was invented by the Persians, for example. The Egyptians wouldn't have known about it and thus Horus couldn't have been "crucified".
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Where the devil did the person get all of their backing for the 2nd link? The Bibliography quoted like... 12 books all of the same vein and group. And didn't quote at all for lots of the comparisons. Source #12, "the egyptian book of the dead" doesn't even come up on a google search, and he doesn't give any sort of Archealogical evidence to back any of his claims about an Egyptian myth. As a matter of fact, he only references books written by people who have an obvious agenda to try and discredit Jesus, so I call source bogus until proven otherwise.
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Yeesh, someone's tetchy... There is NO need to be so offensive, whilst others are calmly stating points...
Your point about eastern religions is moot. Religions, beliefs and knowledge travel. It's perfectly fesible for religion to come over with traders from east Asia. How do you think Christianity hit your colony? It came with the pilgrims.
And there were religions before Judaism, it's again logical and fesible that it could have been influenced by other religions, or even be a denomination of an ancient lost religion.
So don't fly into a hissy fit when people start to bring their points across.
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I didn't.
People didn't travel back then. Merchants barely did. And your point about pre-judaism religions is moot because we have no evidence that there was a monotheistic religion which followed similar tenets which they could have stolen from.
I think that with as much knowledge and study as there has been poured into excavating the truth as to correct biblical teachings, along with many other things, we would have heard about this a long time ago if it had any merit.
Another thing to consider. Do you honestly think that people in that time wouldn't have noticed a direct rip off of Egyptian beliefs? If it really was such a direct copy, how do you think they would have ever gained any devout Jewish converts, when the Jews were so explicitly set against pagan religions?
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Honestly, read a book. And not the bible for once.
But jesus could have been? What about the 200-300 year persian rule in egypt that ended with alexander the great's conquering of the area? Or would it be silly to think that ideas would be traded over the course of three centuries?
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Unlike the Bible, the Qu'ran has no outside influence. Muhammad recited the entiret thing himself, and he was completely illiterate, which is proof that the Qu'ran is truly God's word.
True story.
There is no God but allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
True story.
There is no God but allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and muhammad is his prophet
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If Muhammad was illiterate, he should have made the Qu'ran a picture book....oh wait a second...:CHappy:
Umm... yes? Because, besides the Bible (which is fairly accurate in terms of historical information) we have other, extra-Biblical sources that identify that a Jesus was crucified in Judea.
Although it wouldn't totally be out of the question, the chance that they would have adopted this idea for Horus' new death - as opposed the old version of his story, where he was stung by a scorpion, died, and brought back from the dead by an incantation from Isis - seems rather slim. The only evidence we have on Horus' supposed crucifixion was apparently discovered and written about in a book entitled "The Jesus Mysteries" or something to that effect.
But in any case, mentions of Jesus dying on a tree and allusions to his crucifixion outdate the Persians use of the torture - even by strictly secular Old Testament dating methods - by about four hundred years.
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So, no advice on US tax laws?:CCry2:
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You're talking about the same civilization who at the will of a king went from worshiping a pantheon to worshiping a sun disk. Not only do I think it's not totally out of the question, I think it might even lead us to the answer.
As for the second thing you said, it was very silly. Jesus is claimed to have lived +/- 30 years from year 0. Alexander the great crucified 2000 people in tyre in 300's BC. Herodotus, who DIED in 425 BC told us about persian crucifixion. Now, and if this offends you excuse me, if you are honestly saying that people had made mentions and allusions of jesus dying on a tree or being crucified 400 years BEFORE Herodotus, than you're insane. As nice as you think it would be, there is NOTHING from before 800 BC that mentions Jesus. NOTHING. I can make allusions and claim mentions about anything I want, but that doesn't make that true. Furthermore, there is NOTHING from 500 BC talking about jesus. And there is NOTHING from before 100 BC mentioning Jesus. as a matter of fact, Josephus, a jewish historian who was born at 37 AD and wrote most of what we know about life in Canaan at the time makes not a single mention of jesus, the great wizard, magician, healer or what have you. Keep in mind jesus is claimed to have only died 7 years prior to that. forgot him that quickly?
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/1stC_Hist.htm