Dawn of the Republic: Border Alliance

[Sin]

Idk if this is appropriate or not

Spoiler: ...

but this reminds me of the rationale of some people despising every person of the Middle East due to the actions of al-Qaeda or ISIL

Have you ever been to the Middle East?

 

[Korvo]

Have you ever been to the Middle East?

Nope, but I get the feeling you're about to share an experience with me, so shoot

 

[Caine]

Hey now, I only want to commit genocide against the Sith and you can hardly blame me, the Border Alliance didn't start this war the Sith did now they have to live with the consequences, or die with them as the case will be.
Other force users will be judged on a case by case basis depending on there actions and how they treat non force users, I don't judge people based on religion or ethnicity or gender or anything else for that matter.

Every person controls his own life, to use your example.
If they become a terrorist I will be more then happy to mount them on a stake and burn them alive and yes I'm aware that probably makes me as bad as them but quite honestly I really don't care, if I ever start trying to murder innocent people I hope somebody will do the same to me.

@Korvo

 

[MasterTyvokka]

As far as specialty of my BA character I am not sure yet. He will be former special forces but where he comes in I don't know yet.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

@Korvo

Don't really know how that reminds you of that at all, but whatever. My thought process was Force Sensitives do cause a lot of problems.

My IC justification will be simple. It to much power for one person to have. They can be corrupted easily, the outer rim (where my characters home planet will be) will be scarred from past wars. The Sith causing the damage. So it is very reasonable to assume my character would not like Force Sensitives.

On top of that lets imagine this. Him and his busy are out in a ditch. Getting shot at by the enemy, his buddy dies. He gets angry. Why was it not a Jedi that died? Not his friend.

On top of that the Jedi offically are not a part of anything. Their their own rouge entity. So in a way they are criminals not bowing down to any govenment but their own. So yes it is very plausible to believe such as that.

And in the future please do not use someone's IC definition, as an out of character stereotype. It ain't fair and it's kinda. This thread is meant to discuss the border alliance, not the real world.

So is ask everyone to not post further on that topic.

 

[Sin]

Nope, but I get the feeling you're about to share an experience with me, so shoot

Was just curious is all.... :rolleyes:

Don't really think it's appropriate to share my experiences or my opinions on the subject anyway. ;)

 

[Jira]

Just figure I'd check in since I haven't been on in a few days due to exam week.

Anywho, I plan on rolling with the BA. I know many of you were in the group message thread, but just to reiterate, my goal is to create a fighter squadron that serves the BA. I'm also consider making it a dual role group that is also involved in commando and sabotage work against the Sith. I'd like to focus on flying sorties, but that would really limit the fun we could have. I also would like to have a larger, "mother ship," provided that the admins would allow such a thing. I think that would be better operated by a BA Officer higher up in the ranks.

As far as my character goes, I am still considering rolling a Jedi-turned-pilot with no ties to the order, unless force powers are no-no in the BA. I'd probably make him a former Padawan or Knight with limited force powers and lightsaber skills. Or maybe I could make him detached from the force all together.

Also, what is the nature of our interactions with the Senate?

 

[TAC]

Sorry I have not said anything yet.

A few notes and thoughts from my corner:

1. I will be RPing a BA Senator named Augustus James Reynolds. He will have fought in the military and will be heralded as a hero in combat, which allowed him an easy win for his Senate seat. I am waiting to hear more about the history of the Border Alliance before I can finish his story.

2. I would not assume any worlds are Border Alliance worlds. While we are intelligent enough to draw approximate lines, I don't think the admins themselves have even decided where the Sith end and the Republic begins. So I would encourage everyone to speak about border and planets only in general, non-specific ways.

3. I wanted to echo the sentiment that the Senate might not really care too much what is happening from a military perspective. Interestingly, I saw the function of the Border Alliance being a lot less functional (in its infancy) then what you are all describing. I saw it as a loose coalition of worlds that responded militarily to any campaigns of the Sith when/if they invade... NOT as a group that actively fought the Sith and not an organization that was trying to overthrow them... more of a group that was trying to defend itself and its members.

So, relatively speaking... I'm seeing the Senate as a UN sort of deliberative body and the BA as a NATO (without US) sort of org.

4. One more reminder... Combat is no longer to involve NPCs. You and an NPC squad can't fight a Sith. It has to be all PCs. Unless they are just for flavor and they have no interaction with combat. So I would recommend pushing for a more PC-based squad, maybe three to four characters, that can work together on missions, in fights, and in battles. I think this would create a really great opportunity for more dynamic relationships between PC characters, which would create a more realistic and holistic experience for the writers.

Then we could have one or two elite squads, and we would be following their stories as the war rages around them. See how their contributions change the story that is unfolding.

Thoughts?

 

[Jira]

Sorry I have not said anything yet.

3. I wanted to echo the sentiment that the Senate might not really care too much what is happening from a military perspective. Interestingly, I saw the function of the Border Alliance being a lot less functional (in its infancy) then what you are all describing. I saw it as a loose coalition of worlds that responded militarily to any campaigns of the Sith when/if they invade... NOT as a group that actively fought the Sith and not an organization that was trying to overthrow them... more of a group that was trying to defend itself and its members.

So, relatively speaking... I'm seeing the Senate as a UN sort of deliberative body and the BA as a NATO (without US) sort of org.

This idea makes a lot of sense. I was actually tossing the idea around that the BA could grow and become more unified as/if the Sith become more of a threat. Maybe we could go as far as having the BA actually influencing the Senate. Maybe somebody in the BA could become sort of a Napoleon figure. I don't mean that they should become an an emperor, but more of a charismatic general who pulls a lot of strings. There could be a lot of tensions between that character, and his followers in the BA, and the Senate. Granted, this scenario depends on a lot of variables, but it could be cool.

4. One more reminder... Combat is no longer to involve NPCs. You and an NPC squad can't fight a Sith. It has to be all PCs. Unless they are just for flavor and they have no interaction with combat. So I would recommend pushing for a more PC-based squad, maybe three to four characters, that can work together on missions, in fights, and in battles. I think this would create a really great opportunity for more dynamic relationships between PC characters, which would create a more realistic and holistic experience for the writers.

Then we could have one or two elite squads, and we would be following their stories as the war rages around them. See how their contributions change the story that is unfolding.

Thoughts?

I really like this change, and I like the idea of PC-only squadrons. Worse comes to worse, we can just consolidate everybody into one squadron.

 

[Korvo]

Hey now, I only want to commit genocide against the Sith and you can hardly blame me, the Border Alliance didn't start this war the Sith did now they have to live with the consequences, or die with them as the case will be.
Other force users will be judged on a case by case basis depending on there actions and how they treat non force users, I don't judge people based on religion or ethnicity or gender or anything else for that matter.

Every person controls his own life, to use your example.
If they become a terrorist I will be more then happy to mount them on a stake and burn them alive and yes I'm aware that probably makes me as bad as them but quite honestly I really don't care, if I ever start trying to murder innocent people I hope somebody will do the same to me.

@Korvo

I wasn't making a reference to hating the Sith dude, I was connecting your comment to the subject of BossMan's. It is both rational and understandable that there'd be resentment toward the Sith.

Spoiler: Response for BossMan

@Korvo

Don't really know how that reminds you of that at all, but whatever. My thought process was Force Sensitives do cause a lot of problems.

There are plenty of analogies to explain it. Hatred is directed at a people on the basis of a genetic characteristic, regardless of actual responsibility. That's why I made the comparison. Groups like al-Qaeda and ISIL are predominately centralized in the Middle East, but that does not make all Middle Eastern people terrorists or militants. You could also make the parallel with people over half a century ago hating all Germans for the actions of the Nazi party.

Force Sensitives do not cause problems. Sith Lords do. Depending on your perspective, even Jedi do, but you cannot blame Force Sensitives for the actions of organized Force religions, especially when it is predominantly only one group that causes it.[/quote]

My IC justification will be simple. It to much power for one person to have. They can be corrupted easily, the outer rim (where my characters home planet will be) will be scarred from past wars. The Sith causing the damage. So it is very reasonable to assume my character would not like Force Sensitives.

See, I'm all for IC perspectives. I could easily see how someone would be prejudiced against all Force-sensitives from the actions of one group, regardless of whether or not they were trained or even in an organized Force religion.

On top of that lets imagine this. Him and his busy are out in a ditch. Getting shot at by the enemy, his buddy dies. He gets angry. Why was it not a Jedi that died? Not his friend

Very emotional and human, and I can dig it.

On top of that the Jedi offically are not a part of anything. Their their own rouge entity. So in a way they are criminals not bowing down to any govenment but their own. So yes it is very plausible to believe such as that.

That actually doesn't make much sense. Jedi aren't the state religion, but that neither makes them rouges nor criminals. It also doesn't make the Jedi suddenly bad if they're not part of a government. Besides that, they're also allies with the Republic / Border Alliance in the new timeline, so they work together - certainly not antagonistic toward one another.

And in the future please do not use someone's IC definition, as an out of character stereotype. It ain't fair and it's kinda. This thread is meant to discuss the border alliance, not the real world.

So is ask everyone to not post further on that topic.

I didn't know your IC perspective, all I saw was "my character will hate all Force sensitives for the damage they've caused". Whether you intended it or not, you created the stereotype (and really, a non-FS hating all FS folks is a stereotype in Star Wars anyway), I only brought it out. However, I did not intent for it to be inflammatory, I meant only to draw a parallel.

And we are still discussing the Border Alliance; they're allied with the Jedi Order at this stage. It's not to say someone wouldn't hold animosity toward them; Sith represent the worst of what a Force User is capable of and it is easy to cast blame in the aftermath of horrors, but I sincerely doubt anyone would see them as a cult or rouge organization, particularly not after having fought together against a common foe.

Was just curious is all.... :rolleyes:

Don't really think it's appropriate to share my experiences or my opinions on the subject anyway. ;)

Hmm, maybe not. Still, if you had something you really wanted to share, I don't mind getting PMs on it. Up to you, bruh.

 

[Caine]

I probably won't be taking part in the PVP aspect of things mostly because I can't guarantee I'd be able to post often enough and the system being used really doesn't suit me and also because I don't really like the way it's going now, it's essentially made faction building pointless.
No matter how powerful we build the BA up to be it means absolutely nothing if we lose a 1-1 battle.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

@Korvo I didn't mean to sound harsh, so I apologise if it came out that way.

But you are wrong on one aspect. The Jedi and the Republic, have no official alliance. The Jedi in fact are their own entity. Ask an Admin, I heard @Brandon Rhea say so himself in another thread.

The Jedi are seperate from the republic.

@TAC

I love your idea, the whole PC squads are awesome. In fact I'd love to organise an ELITE squad and basically tell their story through the eyes of the roleplay. That would be awesome it would bring the faction together as a unit and actually work with one another well.

I imagine having each member contribute in a special skill set.

Example I piolet to fly us to and from missions. A leader to organise and command the unit, create the battle tactics and all that. A demolishion guy to blow some shit up when needed. A sniper to provide overwatch for the rest of the squad. A medic to patch us up when we go down. A rifle man or two.

Maybe we can make our characters to be in the same unit, and all of us together can contribute to the story as a whole.

Now of course this bring forth it's problems. One major one is over filling it. Threads would take awhile to complete due to the fact of the posting times.

But all in all I am interested in this. And I wonder who else would be? We could have our characters become friends or rivals. We, as a faction, would suffer when one of us dies in battle. We would also celebrate better when we succeed. This is awesome and I'd like to hear the thoughts of others.

Edit: And by Celebrate better, I mean party harder! Drinks are on me boys!

 

[DangerousTinkerer]

@Mr.BossMan

That would be interesting. Would the characters have to be from the same home world? If they don't that could add to the diversity of the squad and show more of the planets that make up the Border Alliance, adding more to the squad's depth.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

@Mr.BossMan

That would be interesting. Would the characters have to be from the same home world? If they don't that could add to the diversity of the squad and show more of the planets that make up the Border Alliance, adding more to the squad's depth.

No, of course they can be diffrent species and come from diffrent planets. Actually I think it would be bland if we all came from the same planet.

The only thing that matters is that we are all in the same "unit" think of any action move ever.

We are like Navy Seals. Highly trained badasses. We all have our own spin, or strength that we add to the squad. I mean it can be simple stuff, it doesn't have to be these complex things. For instance one of us can know and speak fluently a whole bunch of languages. Bam. Your guy has an importance in the squad, I weird funky twist that's cool.

One of us could be a badass sniper, or recon guy. Going out and scouting the area. One of us can be a tech guy, backing and breaking codes. Opening doors, handling the cool gadgets.

The possibilities are endless, and it would be fun if we got four or five people in the squad.

We tell the Border Alliances story, via one Elite squad of people.

Oh and might I add one thing. We need a female to get in on this, cause a badass female, is way more badass then a badass male. Lol.

 

[TAC]

Yes, this is the sentiment I am envisioning.

I think it would be wise to have VERY small squads, however. I am talking 2-4 people. That will limit their capabilities, but it would be more manageable for specific roleplays. These could be "assigned" within roleplay, as the Border Alliance prepares and responds to the threat of the Sith. That way everyone can have their backgrounds be whatever, but can still come together and work as a team.

So, while everyone is welcome to work together to make a squad that has been together forever, we can have BA worlds strengthening their relationship in these elite ground forces that blend the strengths and units of the different worlds.... Border Alliance Response Teams... or some such... so that worlds keep their independence but work together in a way that is easy for us to convert into what roleplaying combat will look like next timelines.

Do other folks have thoughts? I'm just coming up with this, and its just me rattling ideas off. I'd love to hear what others think.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Yes, this is the sentiment I am envisioning.

I think it would be wise to have VERY small squads, however. I am talking 2-4 people. That will limit their capabilities, but it would be more manageable for specific roleplays. These could be "assigned" within roleplay, as the Border Alliance prepares and responds to the threat of the Sith. That way everyone can have their backgrounds be whatever, but can still come together and work as a team.

So, while everyone is welcome to work together to make a squad that has been together forever, we can have BA worlds strengthening their relationship in these elite ground forces that blend the strengths and units of the different worlds.... Border Alliance Response Teams... or some such... so that worlds keep their independence but work together in a way that is easy for us to convert into what roleplaying combat will look like next timelines.

Do other folks have thoughts? I'm just coming up with this, and its just me rattling ideas off. I'd love to hear what others think.

Kinda reminds me of XCOM and yes I understand what your saying.

And I also think this may work well simply because I do not envision the Border Alliance of having to many members. Definatly not as many as the Jedi or Sith.

But to me that adds to the awesomeness, we are badasses and their ain't that many of us.

 

[Nor'baal]

I will be making two senators and a criminal, so my criminal will no doubt come into contact with the BA - as well as my senators, though my Hutt senator won't have a set loyalty to the BA - as he will vote the way his lobbyists tell him.

As for my human senator, I intend to have him as a staunch military supporter and very much intend to see a lot of cooperation between him and the BA :)

 

[Mr.BossMan]

I think I will give my guy a command position. Push him up so he will become some sort of a leader. So expect him to, at the very least, say what's happening to the BA. I think I will kinda follow @TAC in a way.

Tac's guy Augustus became a senator after being a war hero. My guy I will push to become a "General" of sorts. Staying away from the politics and more of the actual battle strategy.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

Sorry I have not said anything yet.

A few notes and thoughts from my corner:

1. I will be RPing a BA Senator named Augustus James Reynolds. He will have fought in the military and will be heralded as a hero in combat, which allowed him an easy win for his Senate seat. I am waiting to hear more about the history of the Border Alliance before I can finish his story.

2. I would not assume any worlds are Border Alliance worlds. While we are intelligent enough to draw approximate lines, I don't think the admins themselves have even decided where the Sith end and the Republic begins. So I would encourage everyone to speak about border and planets only in general, non-specific ways.

3. I wanted to echo the sentiment that the Senate might not really care too much what is happening from a military perspective. Interestingly, I saw the function of the Border Alliance being a lot less functional (in its infancy) then what you are all describing. I saw it as a loose coalition of worlds that responded militarily to any campaigns of the Sith when/if they invade... NOT as a group that actively fought the Sith and not an organization that was trying to overthrow them... more of a group that was trying to defend itself and its members.

So, relatively speaking... I'm seeing the Senate as a UN sort of deliberative body and the BA as a NATO (without US) sort of org.

4. One more reminder... Combat is no longer to involve NPCs. You and an NPC squad can't fight a Sith. It has to be all PCs. Unless they are just for flavor and they have no interaction with combat. So I would recommend pushing for a more PC-based squad, maybe three to four characters, that can work together on missions, in fights, and in battles. I think this would create a really great opportunity for more dynamic relationships between PC characters, which would create a more realistic and holistic experience for the writers.

Then we could have one or two elite squads, and we would be following their stories as the war rages around them. See how their contributions change the story that is unfolding.

Thoughts?

@TAC What are you thinking age wise for your character? I ask because I have a very similar idea for mine. He fought in special forces. Then he retired and became senator. The war with the Sith forces him back into action. If they are similar age wise we could write them as being friends.

I agree with number 3. especially the boarder worlds defending at the beginning rather than actively attacking. It makes the most sense. If you are being invaded you aren't going to go on the offensive unless you are sure you can without leaving yourself unguarded.

 

[TAC]

@TAC What are you thinking age wise for your character? I ask because I have a very similar idea for mine. He fought in special forces. Then he retired and became senator. The war with the Sith forces him back into action. If they are similar age wise we could write them as being friends.

I agree with number 3. especially the boarder worlds defending at the beginning rather than actively attacking. It makes the most sense. If you are being invaded you aren't going to go on the offensive unless you are sure you can without leaving yourself unguarded.

Young for a Senator.

Im talking like 30.

He will have served from like 18 to 25. Served as a planatary senator from 25 to 27. Served in the republic senate from 27 to 29, just re-elected for another term at 29.

But both being war heroes and senators from the BA, we can certainly have some sort of background.