Arrow: Season 3

[Brandon Rhea]

I've wondered if they'll end up giving Laurel her power through some sort of particle accelerator magics.

 

[Kaeb]

Doesn't the fact that the particle accelerator event has happened already preclude the possibility of more metahumans popping up until an event like it happens again?

Like, the terrible actress/scientist chick from The Flash is supposed to be Killer Frost right? Also a metahuman?

Perhaps we're in for another event, or perhaps more. Those events would have to be much larger, perhaps localizing it to just a large portion of the United States near Central and Starling City.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Yeah I was also going to say some particle shenanigans. Maybe in the crossover episode someone who knows of the meta-humans attempts to recreate the effect? Laurel (and maybe even Caitlin Snow, who I think is an okay actress) get caught up in said new event and come away with powers.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Or there are lingering effects we don't know about yet.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Like gingivitis. Or ass cancer.

 

[Defiance]

So...they killed him. Watch someone random nurse him back to health with magical roots.

There are rumors floating around that this means they'll bring in the Lazarus Pit. Ra's was obviously much older than he looked in the episode, so that may be some foreshadowing.

 

[TwoSidedHeart]

Guys, this is a comic book TV Show adaption. He could have survived the fall, maybe even put himself in a meditative trance to keep himself alive on the hope that someone would find him. XD Why is everyone assuming hes dead when its entirely possible he survived. The promo for 310 has someone finding him lying there. Until its actually said on the show hes dead and we see his cold, dead corpse, hes not dead. Its pretty much the rule of TV. ^_^

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Guys, this is a comic book TV Show adaption. He could have survived the fall, maybe even put himself in a meditative trance to keep himself alive on the hope that someone would find him. XD Why is everyone assuming hes dead when its entirely possible he survived. The promo for 310 has someone finding him lying there. Until its actually said on the show hes dead and we see his cold, dead corpse, hes not dead. Its pretty much the rule of TV. ^_^

We're saying he's dead fully aware of the fact that he's not dead forever. I don't know how familiar you are with comics, but part of the story of Ra's al Ghul is the Lazarus Pits, which has the ability to bring people back from the dead. Considering Ra's said that "it's been 67 years since someone challenged me to a trial by combat," and the actor is like 45, it's a good bet they're bringing the Lazarus Pits into the show.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Which it was pointed out to me how well this was handled. Having Ra's actually kill Oliver solidifies him as a villain in terms of competence. The last main villains were just a matter of they wee slightly better than Ollie and he could overcome them with a little perseverance and wiles. Ra's just straight up killed him.

So it will be interesting how they let Oliver handle this. The showrunners said for the next 4 episodes Ollie will show up very minimally if at all which lets the rest of the cast flex their muscles. So during this time or after I would like to see Ollie sort of have to retrain himself. The Lazarus Pits are supposed to mess with you mentally after you emerge so I see Ollie having to combat his demons and then also train physically before he can return to the city or to challenge Ra's again.

Speaking of the city, again I am excited to see how the other characters step up. One of my favorite Batman stories is Battle for the Cowl in that almost every member of the Batfamily grew and adapted in their role and character because they had to. So seeing Team Arrow step up to the challenge and Atom enter himself into superheroing would be nice.

Will Roy move from Arsenal to become "Red Arrow" as a sort of assuming the mantle moment as the city doesn't really know who Arsenal is, but also that the name Arrow carries a lot of weight?

Will Laurel find out who Sara's killer was and try and kill Thea thus prompting Arsenal and Diggle to try and defend her?

Will Felicity commit more of her time to helping Ray become the Atom now that Oliver is dead?

Will the League try and track down Merlyn or realize that Oliver was obviously lying about being the killer?

All interesting questions and I am hopeful the next episodes will deliver.

 

[TwoSidedHeart]

I know all about Lazuras pits haha. Pretty big Batman comic fan and also a gigantic Jason Todd fan. ^_^ Lazuras pits come with the territory of this fandom. XD Im just saying everyones assuming he's dead and theyre going to jump straight into the Lazuras pit with Ollie because everyone be so thirsty for dem chemicals. I just think it would be a waste to have Ollie have the pit used on him. Plus if they use it on him, half the fandom wont shut up about him using it on Sara because he knows where it is. XD I think they should just tease the audience with the pit more and more, have Ollie survive and heal up naturally and THEN have some character we think its dead get restored with it just when we think they arent going to be used at all. Tommy maybe?

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

As I said having Oliver actually be dead from the battle with Ra's makes him more compelling ability wise. Also per in universe it is actually more of a stretch to think Ollie survived being stabbed through a lung, collapsing his windpipe, and then kicked off a cliff to land on rocks all while being subjected to the elements. So yeah throwing him into the pits is a much more interesting course for the story to take.

Per Sara, Tommy, and combating any future deaths in the show I see them going the route of explaining that bodies that have been dead for a certain amount of time can not be brought back. I also assume that after Ollie experiences revival by the pit he will see or learn their is some intrinsic ethical issue or evil in it and have it and any other like it he can find destroyed. That and probably to fully defeat Ra's and ensure he doesn't return.

 

[TwoSidedHeart]

Ras is compelling enough given the fact he was hyped up all through last season and ya know, single handedly and completely handed Ollies ass to him. XD Like seriously, I dont see how they are going to pull this plots end out of thin air after that utter beatdown. How is it hard to believe Ollie survived that? The show itself has had some unbelievable situations and made it seem logical. I see what you're saying, but I just think throwing Ollie in the pit is a waste and a cop out.

 

[Defiance]

Guys, this is a comic book TV Show adaption. He could have survived the fall, maybe even put himself in a meditative trance to keep himself alive on the hope that someone would find him. XD Why is everyone assuming hes dead when its entirely possible he survived. The promo for 310 has someone finding him lying there. Until its actually said on the show hes dead and we see his cold, dead corpse, hes not dead. Its pretty much the rule of TV. ^_^

Oliver was stabbed and kicked off a cliff (which was evidently a very hard climb). If they end up having him survive both, I would be thoroughly disappointed. It would be a corny way to do it in my opinion.

I'm more interested in seeing the Lazarus Pits.

EDIT: Reason why I think it's cornier than using the Pits is because if Ollie just straight up survives the ordeal without anything short of supernatural than I find it hard to believe. I'm going to walk away from that thinking that the Arrow can survive any sort of mortal injury he gets, and suddenly all those big boss fight scenes that he almost loses aren't going to be that intense.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Tommy being alive would be disappointing. So much of this show is built on the fact that Tommy died. If he was alive, it would undercut a lot of the emotional significance of the show, particularly the second season.

I am hoping that they go with the Lazarus Pits. It's the more compelling option than Oliver miraculously surviving two sword stabs and a fall off a mountain. Particularly for the reasons Johnny mentioned, like the pits bringing you back messed up, and upping the threat of Ra's.

And if Sara was brought back after dragging out the "Who dunnit?" story then that would be really lame.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Ras is compelling enough given the fact he was hyped up all through last season and ya know, single handedly and completely handed Ollies ass to him. XD Like seriously, I dont see how they are going to pull this plots end out of thin air after that utter beatdown. How is it hard to believe Ollie survived that? The show itself has had some unbelievable situations and made it seem logical. I see what you're saying, but I just think throwing Ollie in the pit is a waste and a cop out.

Ra's simply kicking Ollie's ass has been done before. The amount of time of it happening just being shorter isn't really a big credit at this point. Somebody actually being so much better that they actually killed Ollie instead makes Ra's different.

Again, Ollie has been beaten before, but he has never been stabbed through a vital organ and then thrown off a cliff. As I said the Lazarus Pits are not out of thin air. Ra's has dropped hints to their existence and is really no less out there than Mirukuru.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Ra's has dropped hints to their existence and is really no less out there than Mirukuru.

Or killing poor people with an earthquake machine.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

 

[Loco]

Next, on American Ninja Warrior...




I just now got to watch the episode, and I have to say I'm pretty siked. As far as a primetime, slightly campy comic book adaptation of a TV show goes that finish was pretty intense. I'm excited to see what's next. I'm constantly skeptical about this show and have been from the beginning, but they haven't really disappointed so far.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

My attitudes toward the show have been largley varied. I heard news of the first season and I hated the idea, but after I heard about the shows progression I got steadily more interested.

Looking back I still really dislike the first season, but I appreciate and understand the reason it is there in context now. The show can definitely be stupid/silly at times (Earthquake machine, Mirukuru, and Cupid), but more and more I find myself liking more than I dislike with each season and the idea of this new shared universe is what really gets me going and honestly excites me more than their cinematic universe.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Their cinematic universe is so bad. That's why I - and you, of course - want Supergirl to be part of this shared TV universe. Because we can get a good Justice League on TV to make up for the terrible one in the movies.