Atheism

[Sleven]

You're not making any sense S73v3n. You're not going to win an argument by comparing someone to Hitler.

How am I not making sense? Read my first post of entering into this discussion. You're saying that if everyone was the same then there would be no conflict, you seem to support this belief as well. I'm having a hard time seeing how that is not like Hitler?

You're not going to win a debate by disregarding valid points.

 

[Sovereign]

How am I not making sense? Read my first post of entering into this discussion. You're saying that if everyone was the same then there would be no conflict, you seem to support this belief as well. I'm having a hard time seeing how that is not like Hitler?

You're not going to win a debate by disregarding valid points.

Because I'm not going to force people at gunpoint?

And besides, I hardly think that we wouldn't have any sense of individuality without religion. That's pretty much a ridiculous thing to say. I'm not religious, and I'm defnitely not a mindless sheep without any sense of personality.

 

[Phil]

Don't care. Atheist or not, we're not going to see a 'golden age' of peace and prosperity everyone thinks will happen if Atheism becomes the norm.

Pretty much what he just said, yeah.

 

[Sleven]

You would also eliminate all possible future religious conflicts, and plenty are brewing all over the world.

Most wars are waged because of ethnic, economic and religious reasons, and simply removing religion out of the equation would reduce the number of conflicts.

If people were all of the same ethnicity, there would be less conflicts.

If people all had the same wealth, there would be less conflicts.

If people all had the same faith, or no faith at all, there would be less conflicts.

It's not hard to understand.

Maybe I'm just confused then by this statement, because I don't see how this allows for anyone to be unique and have their own personality. Seeing as how religion, ethnicity, wealth and many of the factors you mentioned play major roles in the development of our sense of individuality and our personalities in general.

Okay, so you wouldn't hold people at gunpoint, but you still think its a good idea for everyone to be the same (from what I'm hearing)???

 

[Sovereign]

Maybe I'm just confused then by this statement, because I don't see how this allows for anyone to be unique and have their own personality. Seeing as how religion, ethnicity, wealth and many of the factors you mentioned play major roles in the development of our sense of individuality and our personalities in general.

Okay, so you wouldn't hold people at gunpoint, but you still think its a good idea for everyone to be the same (from what I'm hearing)???

I never advocated the redistribution of wealth or ethnic cleansing.

I simply said we should get rid of religion.

 

[Cailst]

I guess for the most part, atheists are okay. My only problem with them is when they wish to or attempt to wipe religion from the face of the planet in search of some utopia.

 

[Sovereign]

I guess for the most part, atheists are okay. My only problem with them is when they wish to or attempt to wipe religion from the face of the planet in search of some utopia.

Oh shit, he's onto us.

 

[Ser Gregor]

And you know what I mean... not that Hitler knew, but rather that, according to this logic SIN is following, Hitler was right on track with SIN's point of view, other then the fact that Hitler was supporting a different religious outlook than SIN.

Hitler can't be right because Hitler never believed nor said that.

 

[Demiurge]

Does anyone else find it funny how this was suppose to be targeted at atheists, yet turned into a "why I think religion is the source of all evil" debate again?

 

[Sleven]

Oh, well when you made the statement "without (insert something here)" I kind of figured you put it under your umbrella of what needs to go to prevent deaths and I thought it was implied that you supported it.

However I can see that this is a complete misunderstanding and that religion is the only thing you really have "beef" with.

I'm going to say that I still think religion needs to stay around though, if only to support the idea of the right to choose whatever path you want.

 

[Sleven]

Hitler can't be right because Hitler never believed nor said that.

But by the logic of some posts, people are saying that the end of war would be a byproduct of such actions... which is the point you continue to keep missing.

 

[Sovereign]

if only to support the idea of the right to choose whatever path you want.

...Which is what I support.

And I'd like to see a day when the name of "Hitler" won't be mentioned in any debate.

 

[Sleven]

I can see I'm completely lost then on what you're trying to say.

You're against religion, but for it in the sense of freedom? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Whatever, I should just give up trying to understand, because I just get more and more confused by what you're trying to say.

 

[Quinton Beck]

We won't have a perfect world until we have perfect people, and we'll never have perfect people, thus no perfect world. As far as what people believe, it doesn't really matter if you think about it. We get a short time on this Earth, I say we enjoy it while it lasts in whatever way we want, be that religion, non-religion, or whatever. Not supporting Anarchy, as that shit would hit the fan so fast, just more tolerance, but alas, as I write this, I'm brought back to my first sentence, so I'll leave it there.

 

[Venom]

I also think that the world would be a bit better off without religion, maybe not much, but a bit.

 

[Keanu]

I can see I'm completely lost then on what you're trying to say.

You're against religion, but for it in the sense of freedom? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Whatever, I should just give up trying to understand, because I just get more and more confused by what you're trying to say.

realize that without religions gay people would have the rights they deserve and need
realize that without religions people in africa would be more inclined to use condoms
Realize that without religions people in the world would be able to take abortions without feeling sad for a loss of life. and wont be forced into keeping it by religious parents or anyone else

There are more examples but these are the main ones.


I doubt you will actually agree with me because I feel that you are a religious person who is taking this way too personally.

If you wish to know im socialist and an atheist

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

realize that without religions gay people would have the rights they deserve and need
realize that without religions people in africa would be more inclined to use condoms
Realize that without religions people in the world would be able to take abortions without feeling sad for a loss of life. and wont be forced into keeping it by religious parents or anyone else

There are more examples but these are the main ones.

But without religion, a large portion of the aide that goes to Africa and other countries would not exist. Nor would a good amount of morals people have today exist. There are a lot of things religion has done that have helped the world.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Nor would a good amount of morals people have today exist.

You can be a moral person and not be religious. "Morality" in religion is nothing more than ancient social restraints to better control the masses.

 

[Keanu]

But without religion, a large portion of the aide that goes to Africa and other countries would not exist. Nor would a good amount of morals people have today exist. There are a lot of things religion has done that have helped the world.

And yet if religion was so impartial and good why would the churches that get money for africa preach and force their religion upon the natives of the land in return for aid? that isnt generous and giving that is brainwashing

god didnt give that money. People gave that money and 20-40 years ago you might be right but now most of the money that goes to africa is given by goverments and actual chairty organisations.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

And yet if religion was so impartial and good why would the churches that get money for africa preach and force their religion upon the natives of the land in return for aid? that isnt generous and giving that is brainwashing

god didnt give that money. People gave that money and 20-40 years ago you might be right but now most of the money that goes to africa is given by goverments and actual chairty organisations.

Uhhh, I don't think that missionaries really force Christianity on people, I'm sure there are some nutjobs who do, but by in large there is no forcing.