Atheism

[Cailst]

And yet if religion was so impartial and good why would the churches that get money for africa preach and force their religion upon the natives of the land in return for aid? that isnt generous and giving that is brainwashing

god didnt give that money. People gave that money and 20-40 years ago you might be right but now most of the money that goes to africa is given by goverments and actual chairty organisations.

Because the churches want the natives to go to heaven as well as be better off in the current life? And why would religious groups not count as "Actual Charity Organizations?"

 

[Keanu]

Because the churches want the natives to go to heaven as well as be better off in the current life? And why would religious groups not count as "Actual Charity Organizations?"

they convert the people they give help to. So it isnt a charity organisation because a real charity organisation doesnt ask something in return.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

Sooo...if they simply ask the people to convert and they want to then it is no longer charity? No one is getting forced into anything. When they receive aide there is no one forcing them to become Christian.

 

[Keanu]

Sooo...if they simply ask the people to convert and they want to then it is no longer charity? No one is getting forced into anything. When they receive aide there is no one forcing them to become Christian.

actually church aid does force them to become christian

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

Can you show me where you've read this? Because my church has donated money to people, and we didn't require them to be Christian.

 

[Denzein]

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what you believe, there's always going to be the same amount of death and suffering in the world. People stop dying from wars (for whatever reason except invincibility), the world will become overpopulated and the same amount will die, as the resources available will not be enough to support the booming global population. People stop dying from disease, there's more people with differences in the world, so more wars start and again, more die of starvation.

I'm an atheist and I have absolutely no problem with whatever anyone chooses to believe (extremists included - ooooh controversy), because as I've previously pointed out it just doesn't matter. People will still die. There will never be a utopia as existence is a harsh, short, unfulfilling and unfair thing, and there will always be people who feel they must make it better for themselves, thus making it worse for the rest of us (limited resources), thus creating conflict, thus merely making the entire situation worse.

 

[Sovereign]

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what you believe, there's always going to be the same amount of death and suffering in the world. People stop dying from wars (for whatever reason except invincibility), the world will become overpopulated and the same amount will die, as the resources available will not be enough to support the booming global population. People stop dying from disease, there's more people with differences in the world, so more wars start and again, more die of starvation.

I'm an atheist and I have absolutely no problem with whatever anyone chooses to believe (extremists included - ooooh controversy), because as I've previously pointed out it just doesn't matter. People will still die. There will never be a utopia as existence is a harsh, short, unfulfilling and unfair thing, and there will always be people who feel they must make it better for themselves, thus making it worse for the rest of us (limited resources), thus creating conflict, thus merely making the entire situation worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...tality-only-20-years-away-says-scientist.html

 

[Viggy]

These figures are on the rise. Soon, the West will free itself of religion and throw this nonsense into the dustbin of history.

Intolerance like this is no less nonsensical then prejudices that religion has inspired.

I second this. Firm atheist. I feel that religion is the cause of nearly all the world problems.

Intolerance comes in many forms, and you just seconded an intolerant statement. Yet you're a 'firm atheist'. Apparently atheism doesn't fix the human problem with differences in others, which I believe is the actual cause of most world problems.

I guess my beef is with organised religion

This I certainly agree with. Religion should either just occur naturally in people's thought processes, or not - whatever works for the individual person. When churches, cults or what-have-you are formed and people are preached at, and forced into accepting the religion (whether by their parents, or by the law, or by anyone else), that's when it becomes a problem.

 

[Jake]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...tality-only-20-years-away-says-scientist.html

I wonder how death sentences will be revamped.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Aaaaaaand to answer the question that is the actual topic of this thread...

I'm a Christian. Atheists have just as much a reason to their beliefs (or lack of) as I do. I personally believe as long as someone makes good choices and are productive members of society then it shouldn't matter if the bow to no gods or if they worship a cactus.

I wonder how death sentences will be revamped.

Immortality is not invicibility.

 

[Sovereign]

Intolerance like this is no less nonsensical then prejudices that religion has inspired.

There's nothing wrong with being intolerant with intolerants.

 

[Viggy]

There's nothing wrong with being intolerant with intolerants.

Your comment (and your general attitude) is not just intolerant towards religious bigots and the like. It is intolerant toward religion itself.

 

[Sovereign]

Your comment (and your general attitude) is not just intolerant towards religious bigots and the like. It is intolerant toward religion itself.

Because 99.9% of religions are intolerant? And if when they're not intolerant, they're just silly, and I don't feel like being tolerant towards that either.

 

[Viggy]

Because 99.9% of religions are intolerant? And if when they're not intolerant, they're just silly, and I don't feel like being tolerant towards that either.

Intolerance might be prevalent in the so-called holy books of the major religions, but that doesn't mean all religious people are intolerant.

And the second comment is just ridiculous. You don't get to blatantly disrespect people just because you find their beliefs 'silly'. Atheism seems 'silly' from my point of view, but that doesn't mean I blabber on about how it should be in 'the dustbin of history'.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Because 99.9% of religions are intolerant? And if when they're not intolerant, they're just silly, and I don't feel like being tolerant towards that either.

That's the kind of 'frothing at the mouth' atheism that gives other atheists a bad name.

For the record I'm apathetically agnostic. I find it incredibly arrogant that anyone claims to know the workings of the Universe so completely to either confirm or deny the existence of a higher being.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

That's the kind of 'frothing at the mouth' atheism that gives other atheists a bad name.

For the record I'm apathetically agnostic. I find it incredibly arrogant that anyone claims to know the workings of the Universe so completely to either confirm or deny the existence of a higher being.

I-... I love you? :CCry1:

 

[Ser Gregor]

I-... I love you? :CCry1:

Not you, Johnny. The people who believe because someone doesn't follow their religion, be them life-saving neurosurgeon or street bum, that they'll go to hell because their God is a petty thing. The people who are so adamant in their religion that they'll shun anyone who thinks differently then them. Those are the people I have a problem with. Those are the people who have the curse of ultimate arrogance.

This also extends, inversely, to Atheists.

 

[Sovereign]

That's the kind of 'frothing at the mouth' atheism that gives other atheists a bad name.

For the record I'm apathetically agnostic. I find it incredibly arrogant that anyone claims to know the workings of the Universe so completely to either confirm or deny the existence of a higher being.

We just don't believe because there's no reason to, just like we don't believe there's a tea cup orbiting Mars. I agree that it's arrogant to make an assumption about it, which is why I'm not making one. Until the existence of God is proven, I won't believe in him. That's the only rational stance, in my opinion.

But by being an agnostic, you're giving equal ground to something that has no facts to back it up.

 

[Ser Gregor]

IF a higher being exists, there would be no facts left behind if it doesn't want to be seen. So, really, Atheists and Theists are two sides of the same coin. They're arguing about something neither side could ever hope to prove. The lacking of evidence is not the lacking of truth. It just so happens we'll never know the truth.

 

[Sovereign]

IF a higher being exists, there would be no facts left behind if it doesn't want to be seen..

And what facts do you have to back that up?

So, really, Atheists and Theists are two sides of the same coin.

What a witty saying, I've never heard that one before.

They're arguing about something neither side could ever hope to prove.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm not making any assertions.

Until a God is proven I won't believe in one. If you're saying that there's a God out there, then the burden of proof falls on you, not on me.

I mean, why should I try to disprove the existence of God? Should I prove that Santa doesn't exist as well? Your definition of God is just ridiculous "something that's out there that left no trace" well how can anyone possibly argue against that? An infallible hypothesis is a weak one.

I heard there was a giant scrotum somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy. Let's worship it.