Communication

[Skyway]

Other idea :), what if there like family or guilds, this mean there can be any clans.
Ex; family/guilds one can have front line warriors, family/guilds two can have pilots/captains and family/guilds three can be medics or something like that. Each family/guilds can help train their follows.

wait befor someones says what if I have a medic that a front line warrior, well sir go in the family/guilds that suits you best and the skills that you use more.

 

[Kiro]

Well, the Mando word for Clan is the same word as they use for Family, so technically you wouldn't be wrong in that bit, but guild... not really. You can do whatever you want, but you're still -part- of that Clan, through adoption or blood. That's at least the Canon.

But as for your example with a medic: We're Mandalorians. They ALWAYS need a medic handy!

 

[Django]

If the third major clan is going to be Loyalist it should be Clan Skirata. It has the most PCs, and realistically the most NPCs too. Clan Veshok would be very small at this point, considering Lucius only started recently. Less important clan sure, not a major clan by any means.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Lucius was the leader of the loyalists. If a formerly loyalist clan is to have one of the three sub-boards, I'd say that gives his clan preference over Skirata.

 

[Kiro]

Lucius was the leader of the loyalists. If a formerly loyalist clan is to have one of the three sub-boards, I'd say that gives his clan preference over Skirata.

Agreed, to be honest. Skirata might have one more PC, but Lucius' clan has more prestige and honour. If he's a smart leader, he'll listen carefully to Skirata.

If not, well... smack him over the head and take over as representative?

 

[Django]

Lucius was not the leader by any means, he simply became a figure head when he challenged Corden. If we had had a leader, us Loyalist would be better off than we are. And no matter Lucius' single importance, deciding major clans should be about who has the most PCs, NPCs, and history.

 

[Django]

Agreed, to be honest. Skirata might have one more PC, but Lucius' clan has more prestige and honour. If he's a smart leader, he'll listen carefully to Skirata.

If not, well... smack him over the head and take over as representative?

How does one man doing things give his clan more prestige or honor than Clan Skirata? We have been around far longer, and realistically would have more prestige as a connected clan. Lucius would be the one recieving prestiige, not his clan. (using iPod here, can't edit this into my previous post, sorry.)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Lucius was not the leader by any means, he simply became a figure head when he challenged Corden. If we had had a leader, us Loyalist would be better off than we are. And no matter Lucius' single importance, deciding major clans should be about who has the most PCs, NPCs, and history.

Lucius agreeing to end the duel is what helped bring an end to all of this. Leave the ego out of it -- it's been the core issue in the loyalist side this whole time.

 

[Django]

That dosn't make you the leader of the side you are fighting for. <.< Also, exactly what ego are you talking about Bac?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

He may not have been a formal leader, but he showed more leadership than the rest of the loyalists. He brought what was basically a gigantic OOC temper tantrum to a fairly graceful end. Not many people can do that, and he should be commended for that.

 

[Django]

Fair enough, but I still wouldn't say his clan would get the spot over Clan Skirata. Unless Lucius and Corden came to some deal, which wouldn't be very nice to other clans that deserve the spot. Clan Veshok would be very small and unknown at this point ICly.

Give him a fleet, anything, but to make his small, very new clan into one of the major ones doesn't seem like a good idea in my eyes.

 

[Kiro]

One man's prestiege and honour is the prestiege and honour of the Clan. You are part of the Clan. The Clan is part of you. So what Lucius does reflects on his Clan, and his Clan reflects upon him.

If Lucius is a man of honour, then his Clan will get a reputation for being honourable. If Lucius' clan is one of baby-eating wookie-pelt wearing hooligans that hang out on Nal Hutta, then people'll be prejudiced to think of Lucius as such in turn.

 

[Django]

Yes, yes, I know Kiro. But it still doesn't make much sense to me to establish a new, small clan as a major one when the clan is far from it. If it happens, fine, if it doesn't, even better in my eyes.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

If it happens, fine, if it doesn't, even better in my eyes.

I think this is the logical conclusion to this conversation, prior to hearing what Corden has to say about the makeup of the clans. Until we hear from him, this entire conversation is purely hypothetical, though I contend that a 2/1 split is a good idea. Not my call, though.

 

[Django]

Er, not really.

A) The Seperatists are the vast majority as far as NPC's and PC's go. Among the Seperatists Clan Ordo has a rather fantastic reputation.

B) They were merely reacting to what was seen as an assassination attempt on their leader, Apollo. Surely that wouldn't make sense for them to lose "honor" over.

C) While everyone seems to know it IC too, you guys really wouldn't know who's Ordo and who's not. Everyone's in customized, personal armor, we don't wear signs that say LOLOL ORDO HERE.

So yeah, Ordo's fine brah.

A) Fair enough, but realistically there would be Separatist who wouldn't agree with the actions Clan Ordo took. They almost ruined peace talks because of -one- "assassin".

B) Well, that's silly. How close were Titus and Apollo? I would imagine they weren't very close, as Apollo was by the stage with Corden, correct? Titus left the stage, and made his way into the crowd away from Apollo. I'm not sure you could assume Saren was trying to kill Apollo when he was trying to kill Titus, their distance was far enough to make a difference.

C) It makes sense to assume that Clan Ordo started the muck up. The clans were all mingling together, and everyone would watch as Clan Ordo started firing on others. And while you are right we wouldn't be sure who started what exactly, the clan itself would still very well be liable to lose honor because of the actions of a few.

(Lucius, you really shouldn't back down when you are right. <.<)

What's the most populated clan for the Loyalists?

Clan Skirata. Realistically we would have the most NPCs, we have the most history out of the other Loyalist clans and the most PCs. Which is why I think Clan Skirata should be one of the major clans, we are going by the 2/1 idea Bac suggested.

Me and Corden have talked, Lucius' Clan Veshok would be among the major clans, I believe.

How? I just want to understand how Clan Veshok is magically large enough or important enough to be established as a major clan. The clan was only recently established, and Lucius wouldn't have had nearly the time to have people join it to challenge the numbers of any of the existing clans.

Now, unless you and Corden came to some OOC deal than it simply doesn't make much sense. If you did come to a deal, I say it shouldn't happen anyways. Coming to deals like such isn't good for the faction. At least, that's how I see it.

Not trying to dump on you here Lucius, just trying to understand.

 

[Mars]

*snip*

A) They reacted to what very possibly could have been an attempt on his life by the Loyalists. That's not a poor action by any means. If anything, twas the loyalists that "almost ruined the peace talks."


B) We got Saren as he went into the air with a weapon, meaning he could have been going for anyone, so no, we can't just assume everyone saw the whole situation either. *Jon reacted the way he did in an attempt to save his leader, he quickly struck to defend himself.*

C) No, it doesn't make sense to assume Ordo started it. No one would have any way of knowing that at all. They're mixed in with the crowd and, like I said, it's not like they wear signs saying they're of Ordo.*

As far as the rest of your post goes, we get it, you want a leadership position, but Lucius actually stepped up and tried to do something and he'll be rewarded for that. Veshok's growth could have come from a variety of means. Let Corden and Lucius worry about such and they'll explain shortly after. Titus hasn't done anything, nor have you, to put Skiarta in the position to be a major clan.*

 

[Apollyon]

I have to agree with Mars when it comes to this one! Realistically Titus hasn't done anything except fight on Fenris, commission the construction of a droid army (After Mitya directly ordered you not to), and questioned Corden...nothing major occured at all. Meanwhile Lucius stood up and actually challenged Vencu! That seems like mando leadership to me (esp since the deal of the duel was whoever wins becomes Manda'lor...)

 

[Horizon]

From what I've read, people need to realize that PC force will pretty much always take hold over NPC force erry'day.

 

[Zach]

I'd just like to add, it shouldn't really matter which clan opened fire, whether it was Ordo, Skirata, Fett, Vencu, etc. Point is, there was a blatant assassin in public view, and it was a dangerous situation. No one ever knows when you're going to suddenly detonate an atomic bomb in an enclosed ship with all the significant leaders present. When there are so man VIPs, you can't AFFORD to not be cautious. If that were the case during a Chiss meeting, I would have seen to it that the dude was vaporized and everyone attending was detained and apprehended for questioning and a thorough investigation of who could assisted in such a break of security. No stone unturned, and no Official Leader unprotected.

 

[Django]

-other stuffs-
As far as the rest of your post goes, we get it, you want a leadership position, but Lucius actually stepped up and tried to do something and he'll be rewarded for that. Veshok's growth could have come from a variety of means. Let Corden and Lucius worry about such and they'll explain shortly after. Titus hasn't done anything, nor have you, to put Skiarta in the position to be a major clan.*

Okay, I respect the other stuff, I understand what you are saying.

That last bit though, seriously?

By no means am I saying that Clan Skirata makes more sense as Clan Veshok as a major clan because I want a leadership position. While I had made it obvious I wouldn't mind taking up a leadership position, but I have no wish to be in charge of Clan Skirata. That role realistically goes to Old Spice, for IC and OOC reasons.

I never said I have done anything to put Clan Skirata in a position for being considered a major clan, all I said was as of now it makes more sense that Clan Skirata would be a major clan than Clan Veshok.

But you are right, Corden and Lucius will make sense of it. We'll just wait until then.