Disappointed

[JMocks]

I was really into this group. But now, its like completely dead. Our leader hasn't been on in days, and the invasion thread quickly died once the temple thread went up. I knew it would though. So now we just, wait.

 

[Raif]

Well, I think one of the biggest problems (not countting the OOC bitchfest) was that we were relying on other PCs who were caught off guard by the whole thing. Whereas we had assigned roles, leaders, and places to be, the Bogan players never really figured out who was supposed to be where.

We had posts flying in hot and heavy at first, because it was just us posting. Once it got to enemy PC involvement, things dried up.

I think it would be good to work on some of the missions posted before the invasion came into being, because we can do those without needing enemy PCs. Although for now I guess we need to RP our return to republic space, unless it is just assumed that after escaping the system we made it back home in one piece.

 

[Dmitri]

I think it would be good to work on some of the missions posted before the invasion came into being, because we can do those without needing enemy PCs. Although for now I guess we need to RP our return to republic space, unless it is just assumed that after escaping the system we made it back home in one piece.

Or that the entire 15th Fleet was destroyed. It would be a hard loss for the Republic to lose 3.8% of its fleet attacking an abandoned enemy stronghold

 

[Raif]

I don't think the fleet is destroyed yet right? Besides, given the ridiculous numbers of instant responders to a surprise attack, one would hope that a little bit of slack could be given to tsar.

 

[Jake]

I don't think the fleet is destroyed yet right? Besides, given the ridiculous numbers of instant responders to a surprise attack, one would hope that a little bit of slack could be given to tsar.

I think you're mistaking "instant responders" for "people who posted right after Tsar".

We had to come up with some way of responding (a way which was justified in an argument that has been beat to death, so please don't start it again) or else Tsar would have been RPing with himself.

:D And after the amount of bitching, I at least will not be cutting anyone any slack.

 

[Denzein]

I think you're mistaking "instant responders" for "people who posted right after Tsar".

We had to come up with some way of responding (a way which was justified in an argument that has been beat to death, so please don't start it again) or else Tsar would have been RPing with himself.

:D And after the amount of bitching, I at least will not be cutting anyone any slack.

Not even..? :CCry2

I'm hurt. Hurt and alone.

 

[Tarus]

I was really into this group. But now, its like completely dead. Our leader hasn't been on in days, and the invasion thread quickly died once the temple thread went up. I knew it would though. So now we just, wait.

Hey, I'm totally still here. I just can't do anything. The Invasion thread is at a stand-still because nobody wants to post in it (and, in a twist that makes complete sense, the Bogan - who were complaining that we were NPCing their characters too much - decided not to roleplay at all in the thread) and we can't really do anything until we're out in-canon. I've got a ton of other missions waiting to be run, but one thing at a time, right?

If you guys feel like it, we can just abandon ship - oh no, the Bogan have a nuke planet-side, let's leave and pretend like our full-scale invasion never happened. Then we can do normal missions like I wanted to do before this whole mess happened.

That sounds like it would actually get somewhere.

 

[Empress]

I think you're mistaking "instant responders" for "people who posted right after Tsar".

We had to come up with some way of responding (a way which was justified in an argument that has been beat to death, so please don't start it again) or else Tsar would have been RPing with himself.

:D And after the amount of bitching, I at least will not be cutting anyone any slack.

and it was pretty much established that there was more than enough time for what was there given it was far from " instant" Jedi were IN the temple before anyone showed up in orbit, so your looking at several hours :P

the ground side of prime is pretty much over with... and the other battles don't look " that" hung up, least they show a pulse.......






As for the other main points, I'd say just hold tight, I see a lot of things happening with Bogan, and the other groups that would start to force hands and what not, and typically just a " hey whats going on?" can someteims get a leader re-focused, it happens now and then.

 

[JMocks]

Hey, I'm totally still here. I just can't do anything. The Invasion thread is at a stand-still because nobody wants to post in it (and, in a twist that makes complete sense, the Bogan - who were complaining that we were NPCing their characters too much - decided not to roleplay at all in the thread) and we can't really do anything until we're out in-canon. I've got a ton of other missions waiting to be run, but one thing at a time, right?

If you guys feel like it, we can just abandon ship - oh no, the Bogan have a nuke planet-side, let's leave and pretend like our full-scale invasion never happened. Then we can do normal missions like I wanted to do before this whole mess happened.

That sounds like it would actually get somewhere.

I know man. I wasn't trying to bust your balls. Will and I have already RP'ed our part and left with the Jedi. So if we are just going to abandon ship, its fine with me. I don't want to be stuck waiting for this whole "battle" to be over. That's pretty much what I was trying to get at in my original post.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I wasn't aware that Bogan weren't posting in the military base assault thread. I asked specific people to do so, so I had no idea no one was doing it. You should have told me that Bogan weren't posting (unfortunately, I haven't had much time to keep up with the thread on my own) and asked me to get people to do so, or to do so myself.

I'll take a look at the thread tonight, get up to speed on it, and then get activity from the Bogan side again.

 

[Raif]

Maybe I am skipping a step or something, but an IC escape has already been established to allow Jedi and SOLAG PCs a route off-planet. Ru and I, along with the jedi, boosted a couple freighters from the Bogan while the folks involved with the military base assault (everyone else on planet, pretty much) grabbed the ships from the Orchid base and turned tail with us.

 

[Empress]

Maybe I am skipping a step or something, but an IC escape has already been established to allow Jedi and SOLAG PCs a route off-planet. Ru and I, along with the jedi, boosted a couple freighters from the Bogan while the folks involved with the military base assault (everyone else on planet, pretty much) grabbed the ships from the Orchid base and turned tail with us.

if we mean Prime? Ground wise the Jedi, Solag and people with them got out on freighters and fighters ( about an estimated 70ish ) many Solag, Republic and Bogan are stranded planetside, Then Boli's Solag agents detonated bombs, and JA bombers started carpet bombing the surface around the temple thinking Bogan evacuated....so at this point anyone stranded planetside is dead, or will be dead now trapped in the tunnels and buried alive. ( and ground based coms are out because of EM detonations) so the ground side is over with now and though the temple is destroyed considered a failure.

however the orbital battle is still going....


I cant say much on the other battles as my attention has not been as " focused" on them as I would like.


*edit* I should say the ground is more or less over.. I know there was a pause for a supposed duel that never happened so..."

 

[Brandon Rhea]

So, since I haven't gotten up to speed yet, just to clarify: the Republic is retreating from the military base right now so all the Republic/Jedi forces can leave the planet?

Let me also just point out that there was never an established military base on Ando Prime prior to this battle. The Republic/Jedi side totally made it up. I just didn't object to it because there were too many objections flying all over the place in the beginning of the threads.

However, to come up with a conclusion for this thread if it's not going to have further role-playing, I'm perfectly willing to determine, with the help of Tarus or whoever else, an appropriate number of causalities for the Bogan side in the military base, provided the Republic side does the same for their forces.

Now, one other thing I want to say is this: yes, the Bogan were disorganized for this battle. No one was expecting a battle. Horizon was meant to lead it, then he had to leave the site for a little while due to family affairs. As mentioned before, the people I asked to post in this thread did not do so. I’ve also made it no secret that I haven’t had much time to keep up with the threads.

That being said, those are the Bogan problems. The Republic also saw a leadership problem in this battle too, so to brush this off as “omg Bogan no posting!” is wrong. Tarus, you yourself, before your post in this thread today, didn’t post anywhere on the site in a whopping eighteen (18) days, not since January 30th. Since then, there have been an additional 5 posts from the Republic side in the invasion thread, from Will, J Mocks, and Burc’ya Dar Skiarta. Not one of them came to me and asked me why Bogan weren’t posting. There also hasn’t been a post in the ground invasion OOC thread, about this or anything else, since February 5th, which was twelve (12) days ago. That’s a communication failure.

Additionally, since this seems to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room, I’ll mention this: O Jiang, where art thou? The leader of the Republic has been totally absent from anything involving this battle from the get go. I haven’t seen Jiang posting in the OOC threads or having anything to do with this battle at all. That’s a problem.

I don’t say all of this to make it seem like my side has no problems. On the contrary, while this battle has been a fairly successful role-playing event overall, it does illustrate issues that need addressing on all sides. For the Bogan, we could use more pre-organization for battles so we can be ready for surprise attacks. Activity also needs to be kept up so posting doesn’t fall by the wayside—and Dark Jedi players need to not be afraid to lose their characters.

For the Republic, you guys need to get some of your leadership issues sorted out. Jiang has been totally absent. Tsar, in the beginning of the battle, showed an unwillingness to be flexible with changing circumstances (though he hasn’t shown that for awhile now). And Tarus, while I’m sure you’ve been busy as well, before tonight you didn’t post in nearly three (3) weeks.

Essentially, the Republic leadership—as well as the Bogan, if we’re going to be fair here—totally abandoned this ground invasion thread, and now you’re complaining about it a few weeks later. Your complaints are legitimate, if not very late. This is not one side’s fault, it was a collective failure to a) keep up activity on BOTH sides (you could’ve just shot up the military base and flown away, and without any defense it would be assumed there was no defense) and b) communicate with one another.

Moral of the story? Don’t blame just one side, and let’s talk to each other better.

 

[Dmitri]

Moral of the story? Don’t blame just one side, and let’s talk to each other better.

T-talk to each other? But... but... that would mean we'd have to *gasp* try to get along. ( :CRawr )

 

[Brandon Rhea]

T-talk to each other? But... but... that would mean we'd have to *gasp* try to get along. ( :CRawr )

Sometimes I get a great notion.

 

[Empress]

though to follow what Bac said, when there are alot of problems in the RP, least from my perspective, it seems to come when people are increasingly caught with communication failures.

this can be in faction failures to properly and fully communicate ic and ooc with faction mates

this can be failure to properly communicate with rival factions and gain " needed information regarding a fight to come that should be known ( like assuming bogan had a military base, when they technically did not)

failure to research ic'ly and OOCLY an area ( wookiepedia is the best outlet for this and is supported with and FEATURES the Atlas ..... )

all these can cut down on confusion, and even cut down the bickering ALOT.



I'm considering creating a PDF of the galaxy map and regions for download and please if you intend to attack a system, research it, if you need a map shoot me a PM or get me on IM, I would be HAPPY to make a nice detailed map of the system and planets and put it in a battle OOC for both sides to use to figure things out.

 

[Tarus]

So, since I haven't gotten up to speed yet, just to clarify: the Republic is retreating from the military base right now so all the Republic/Jedi forces can leave the planet?

Well, my original intention was to crush all opposition, but since there's no opposition to crush, apparently we're leaving.

Let me also just point out that there was never an established military base on Ando Prime prior to this battle. The Republic/Jedi side totally made it up. I just didn't object to it because there were too many objections flying all over the place in the beginning of the threads.

With all due respect, roleplaying can never reach full potential if both sides don't leave some leeway for improvisation on the other party's behalf. I figured that, like any organization with militant ideals, you would have a military, and they'd need somewhere to sleep, eat, and train. So I made you a base. I apologize if it seems like I'm doing too much on your behalf, but I figured coming to you and asking, "Hey, out of curiosity, are there any military bases on Ando Prime" would be ruining a surprise battle.

However, to come up with a conclusion for this thread if it's not going to have further role-playing, I'm perfectly willing to determine, with the help of Tarus or whoever else, an appropriate number of causalities for the Bogan side in the military base, provided the Republic side does the same for their forces.

Now, one other thing I want to say is this: yes, the Bogan were disorganized for this battle. No one was expecting a battle. Horizon was meant to lead it, then he had to leave the site for a little while due to family affairs. As mentioned before, the people I asked to post in this thread did not do so. I’ve also made it no secret that I haven’t had much time to keep up with the threads.

That being said, those are the Bogan problems. The Republic also saw a leadership problem in this battle too, so to brush this off as “omg Bogan no posting!” is wrong. Tarus, you yourself, before your post in this thread today, didn’t post anywhere on the site in a whopping eighteen (18) days, not since January 30th. Since then, there have been an additional 5 posts from the Republic side in the invasion thread, from Will, J Mocks, and Burc’ya Dar Skiarta. Not one of them came to me and asked me why Bogan weren’t posting. There also hasn’t been a post in the ground invasion OOC thread, about this or anything else, since February 5th, which was twelve (12) days ago. That’s a communication failure.

I didn't mean to pin it on the Bogan. It's just that we've clarified that this will be a dual-thread thing multiple times (three threads now, I guess). Before the Battle thread came out, everybody was asking what to do about the invasion thread, blah blah. We clarified that it's a ground battle, blah blah. I didn't know I had to spell out the actual need for Bogan PCs when I had already said it was a battle. I made my posts and checked in from time to time, but I figured we were just waiting for others to reply. My apologies for not coming to ask you (I mean this sincerely, with no sarcasm).

Additionally, since this seems to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room, I’ll mention this: O Jiang, where art thou? The leader of the Republic has been totally absent from anything involving this battle from the get go. I haven’t seen Jiang posting in the OOC threads or having anything to do with this battle at all. That’s a problem.

Jiang is busy with real-life matters. He'll pop his head in if he has time.

I don’t say all of this to make it seem like my side has no problems. On the contrary, while this battle has been a fairly successful role-playing event overall, it does illustrate issues that need addressing on all sides. For the Bogan, we could use more pre-organization for battles so we can be ready for surprise attacks. Activity also needs to be kept up so posting doesn’t fall by the wayside—and Dark Jedi players need to not be afraid to lose their characters.

I can't tell you how much I love you for admitting faults. Though I can't admit any. I have no faults.

For the Republic, you guys need to get some of your leadership issues sorted out. Jiang has been totally absent. Tsar, in the beginning of the battle, showed an unwillingness to be flexible with changing circumstances (though he hasn’t shown that for awhile now). And Tarus, while I’m sure you’ve been busy as well, before tonight you didn’t post in nearly three (3) weeks.

I've been brainstorming behind the scenes. Well, partly. I was mostly just waiting for other forces to post and catching up on new events. I should check in more often - I just, meh. Next time the leadership of both sides will work together on the surprise attacks.

Essentially, the Republic leadership—as well as the Bogan, if we’re going to be fair here—totally abandoned this ground invasion thread, and now you’re complaining about it a few weeks later. Your complaints are legitimate, if not very late. This is not one side’s fault, it was a collective failure to a) keep up activity on BOTH sides (you could’ve just shot up the military base and flown away, and without any defense it would be assumed there was no defense) and b) communicate with one another.

Hey, we're just patient. I had the option to steamroll the base, but I figured I'd give you guys some fighting chance. And, as I said above, I wasn't aware we had to ask for PCs when we already had. But, that leads me to my finale of this gargantuan wall of text...

Moral of the story? Don’t blame just one side, and let’s talk to each other better.

The Bogan faction is a steaming pile of feces and shouldn't draw a single further breath.

I make joke, I make joke. I'm just bitter and tired. From now on, I want to hold hands with you on everything I do, Brandon. Including the marriage. Anyway, if you can rouse up curiosity for the Bogan thread - I can provide you with numbers of casualties and figures - I'm down to stay and fight. Or we can turn tail and run. I'll let this sentence meander off now.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

With all due respect, roleplaying can never reach full potential if both sides don't leave some leeway for improvisation on the other party's behalf. I figured that, like any organization with militant ideals, you would have a military, and they'd need somewhere to sleep, eat, and train. So I made you a base. I apologize if it seems like I'm doing too much on your behalf, but I figured coming to you and asking, "Hey, out of curiosity, are there any military bases on Ando Prime" would be ruining a surprise battle.

I agree, but, at the same time, you can't just make up locations to attack for enemy forces, otherwise I can just say there's a Galactic Senate base on the planet next to Conscio and justify it as "well it's a surprise attack."

Is my example a little extreme? Yes, but it should get the point across. Had I wanted to object, I would tell you that military forces were kept in a number of Slaves of the Dark Side camps throughout the planet, or on their ships in orbit.

A better way to have done this logistically would've been to start with the orbital invasion thread. That way we're suddenly taken by surprise; you would've been able to take out orbital defenses and block communications, as well as fly troops down to the surface, before the Bogan had an opportunity to really know what was going on.

I didn't mean to pin it on the Bogan. It's just that we've clarified that this will be a dual-thread thing multiple times (three threads now, I guess). Before the Battle thread came out, everybody was asking what to do about the invasion thread, blah blah. We clarified that it's a ground battle, blah blah. I didn't know I had to spell out the actual need for Bogan PCs when I had already said it was a battle. I made my posts and checked in from time to time, but I figured we were just waiting for others to reply. My apologies for not coming to ask you (I mean this sincerely, with no sarcasm).

Like I said, I asked Bogan PCs to post, they never did. What I needed was someone to let me know that Bogan PCs were not posting.

Jiang is busy with real-life matters. He'll pop his head in if he has time.

Eh, not really, no. He's made it clear us, behind the scenes, that he purposely washed his hands of this thread. I'm not saying that to be mean to him, this is a legitimate Republic leadership issue right now.

I can't tell you how much I love you for admitting faults. Though I can't admit any. I have no faults.

You smell. That's one of your faults.

I've been brainstorming behind the scenes. Well, partly. I was mostly just waiting for other forces to post and catching up on new events. I should check in more often - I just, meh.

This is definitely important. You should always check in and try to remain proactive. Otherwise, when you go 18 days without posting, it looks like you've abandoned it.

Next time the leadership of both sides will work together on the surprise attacks.

You don't have to prior to the attack (though it doesn't hurt to at least tell the faction leader, to avoid the issues). You just need to make sure to actually communicate OOCly once the attack happens.

Hey, we're just patient. I had the option to steamroll the base, but I figured I'd give you guys some fighting chance. And, as I said above, I wasn't aware we had to ask for PCs when we already had. But, that leads me to my finale of this gargantuan wall of text...

Per one of my above comments on the asking for PCs clarification.

I make joke, I make joke. I'm just bitter and tired. From now on, I want to hold hands with you on everything I do, Brandon. Including the marriage. Anyway, if you can rouse up curiosity for the Bogan thread - I can provide you with numbers of casualties and figures - I'm down to stay and fight. Or we can turn tail and run. I'll let this sentence meander off now.

I'll see what I can do. Whether we continue this fight should be based on how much longer the orbital battle is going to go on for.

 

[Santoro]

I'll see what I can do. Whether we continue this fight should be based on how much longer the orbital battle is going to go on for.

I've been cracking the whip on those dudes, so progress is on the way.

 

[Dmitri]

For PCs for the military base, do we even have any Bogan non-Force using soldiers at all? Cause it's hard for there to be tons of Bogan non-Force using soldiers if there aren't any.