Important faction announcement

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

As it stands now in the galactic scope of things if we remain where we are and on our current course we will be doing just that for a long time. Our main goal as a faction is to return the Mandalorians to their rightful place in the galaxy through territory and reputation. Our fight should be one that directly takes these homes back, but unfortunately in the short term that is not possible. This push against the Sith was supposed to be assisted by the GA, but unfortunately the worlds that hold the key to reentering our space are heavily fortified by Chiss presence that the GA can not attack as they currently have no standing reason to declare war on them. We can't wait for such a thing to occur and just sit here on our laurels with our main goal unattended and we can't take the Chiss in that territory head on.

So we are moving. Our current holdings are not our own. We may own two or three worlds, but the rest of our titles are bases. It's time for us to gain something we can call our own. We are vacating/ceding our current territory and moving to the Mid Rim. Here these worlds that were offered by Brandon are being honored by Yawn and given to us fully. From there we will conquer those worlds in Wild Space (Rattatak, Firrerre, and Bunduki) and forge ourselves a better home. From there? We engage the Chiss. Zach has stated his intentions are to never fully become the Empire's enemy and he has no real reason to do so. Inevitably we would come to blows with the in the future and they exist in our home territory. From our new position we will be better able to attack the Chiss and weaken them enough to where taking back our home will be a possibility.

This is something that needs to be done and will be done. It will make us active, give us an enemy, and secure future independence that some members of our faction have been concerned about. Let's become great again.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

i say let's do this! Holocaustic Labs LTD can start producing armaments and land or space vehicles for the upcoming war. perhaps pm me johnny and we can find some way that Holocaustic Labs can substantiate our military force?

 

[Lupe]

I also have that Fanon planet that was approved by Arm and the admins. I just need approval from you and I can commence a Scouting Mission:D

 

[Zach]

This push against the Sith was supposed to be assisted by the GA, but unfortunately the worlds that hold the key to reentering our space are heavily fortified by Chiss presence that the GA can not attack as they currently have no standing reason to declare war on them. We can't wait for such a thing to occur and just sit here on our laurels with our main goal unattended and we can't take the Chiss in that territory head on.

If you're referring to the blockade that was in place during the Mando evacuation in this thread, those forces are no longer there.

Here these worlds that were offered by Brandon are being honored by Yawn and given to us fully. From there we will conquer those worlds in Wild Space (Rattatak, Firrerre, and Bunduki) and forge ourselves a better home. From there? We engage the Chiss. Zach has stated his intentions are to never fully become the Empire's enemy and he has no real reason to do so. Inevitably we would come to blows with the in the future and they exist in our home territory. From our new position we will be better able to attack the Chiss and weaken them enough to where taking back our home will be a possibility.

I have never stated any future intentions to any deals. I explicitly specified that whatever terms the Chiss and Mandos came to in a ceasefire would exclude anything having to do with the Imperium and GA. Whether I would change that standpoint of the Chiss depends on another meeting thread that you and I discussed earlier.

If you are to declare war on the Chiss Ascendancy, we would meet you honorably in battle as the war-hardened smurfs of legend. I would heavily advise against this, however. We currently have man-power, territory, technology, and alliances at our advantage.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I also have that Fanon planet that was approved by Arm and the admins. I just need approval from you and I can commence a Scouting Mission:D

PM me the full right up and when this all transpired.

I have never stated any future intentions to any deals. I explicitly specified that whatever terms the Chiss and Mandos came to in a ceasefire would exclude anything having to do with the Imperium and GA. Whether I would change that standpoint of the Chiss depends on another meeting thread that you and I discussed earlier.

If you are to declare war on the Chiss Ascendancy, we would meet you honorably in battle as the war-hardened smurfs of legend. I would heavily advise against this, however. We currently have man-power, territory, technology, and alliances at our advantage.

I am referring to your troops on Chazwa and Tirahnn.

The impression I got from our discussion on MSN to me were understood differently.

I know of your capabilities and I believe we are up to the task. I'd expect nothing less.

 

[Sreeya]

Zach, it wasn't that. It was this and this. Both of these were deemed valid and Chiss occupied back then. That's what cut Mandos off from GA when Radz was FL.

Edit: These forces haven't moved since, and thus any attacks from GA there would be deemed a declaration of war against Chiss.

 

[Dmitri]

So will this be RPed or just claimed that we made the move?

 

[Vencu]

This is ridiculous. It's rash, unrealistic, and largely based on an OOC assumption.

If negotiations with the Chiss are ongoing, then it is a possibility that those forces stationed above Chazwa and Tirahnn would be moved if an agreement were reached between the two factions... the Chiss have yet to openly state their decision. That's why the negotiations have continued... so the only thing I can think of that would trigger such a rash move on your part is something that was said OOCly.

A lot of work has been done to secure Roon and the surrounding territory. Not just by me, but by a lot of our members. You're telling us that it was all for nothing... And now we're exchanging it all for a few random planets of no significant value to us other than their proximity to a faction that hasn't yet been confirmed as friendly or hostile. Was any of this discussed beforehand with the rest of the faction leadership? Did they sign off on it?

 

[Green Ranger]

Disregard my earlier post.

What this means, Corden, is that you have worlds that are genuinely, 100% Mandalorian again, instead of borrowed land from the Alliance, and in there territories where you were supposed to be settling in the first place.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Just as a reminder, unless the treaty is being altered ICly, the Alliance would still technically own those worlds that I offered Phil. However, the lands that the Mandalorians settle at on those planets would be considered sovereign Mandalorian territory, and the Alliance would not interfere in the governing of those lands.

 

[Green Ranger]

Just as a reminder, unless the treaty is being altered ICly, the Alliance would still technically own those worlds that I offered Phil. However, the lands that the Mandalorians settle at on those planets would be considered sovereign Mandalorian territory, and the Alliance would not interfere in the governing of those lands.

Ill need Prancing to confirm, but Ive heard that theyll.be completely handed over to the Mandos.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Why is it Corden you always either Argue with or double guess every decision made by this factions Leadership, or really any decision that isn't your idea in the first place?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Ill need Prancing to confirm, but Ive heard that theyll.be completely handed over to the Mandos.

Technically, that would need a new treaty.

Additionally, the Alliance would need a very good reason for that, and something in return. One of those planets, for example, is Endor. Are the Alliance and the Jedi really going to hand over the planet that saw the defeat of Palpatine and the redemption of Darth Vader?

I think not.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

So will this be RPed or just claimed that we made the move?

Rped for the most part. Too big of a move.

This is ridiculous. It's rash, unrealistic, and largely based on an OOC assumption.

If negotiations with the Chiss are ongoing, then it is a possibility that those forces stationed above Chazwa and Tirahnn would be moved if an agreement were reached between the two factions... the Chiss have yet to openly state their decision. That's why the negotiations have continued... so the only thing I can think of that would trigger such a rash move on your part is something that was said OOCly.

A lot of work has been done to secure Roon and the surrounding territory. Not just by me, but by a lot of our members. You're telling us that it was all for nothing... And now we're exchanging it all for a few random planets of no significant value to us other than their proximity to a faction that hasn't yet been confirmed as friendly or hostile. Was any of this discussed beforehand with the rest of the faction leadership? Did they sign off on it?

Zach and I have come to the conclusion that IC no aggression will be seen or acted on as of yet. Chiss-Mando dealings will continue (as agreed by Zach and myself) as planned. If something should come up that prevents us from taking such action so be it.


This is our chance to seek a place in the galaxy that is less of a crutch. We will forge a more independent place for ourselves while honoring our alliance. These planets secure a nice part of the galaxy that are ACTUALLY OURS. And more than just a base. Entire worlds. You complained we hadn't done anything to establish too much in our holdings so we are not leaving too much behind are we from your standpoint? We will not be getting rid of all establishments on Roon in the interim and keeping it as a fall back if agreeable to the GA.

We are an independent people and while the GA has been generous with us it would be in our best interest seek out territory where we can firmly stretch our arms without fear of upsetting our hosts or stepping on toes. This will be a better long term acquisition. Regardless of the future with the Chiss this needs to be done or we will suffer more inaction Corden.

This is what is being decided and if you do not like it then either move with us or out of the way.

Ill need Prancing to confirm, but Ive heard that theyll.be completely handed over to the Mandos.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37153

 

[Sreeya]

Do Mandos fully own these planets or not? That needs to be addressed immediately as everyone has different ideas on it.

 

[Green Ranger]

Technically, that would need a new treaty.

Additionally, the Alliance would need a very good reason for that, and something in return. One of those planets, for example, is Endor. Are the Alliance and the Jedi really going to hand over the planet that saw the defeat of Palpatine and the redemption of Darth Vader?

I think not.

Well I cant speak for Prancing, so thatll be something that has to be discussed with him.

 

[Zach]

You're all about the redemption of Darth Vader, huh Bac? :D

Anyways, aside from Mando-GA dealings with land, I'd like to clear something up regarding the Chiss. Johny and I spoke on MSN about it, and at the moment, nothing definite is being declared. At best, this is speculation for future faction goals and objectives. The Chiss occupation between GA space and Old Mandalorian Space (new social term ftw) will be ICly discussed in the meeting threads we have planned out, and serve as a major factor in the negotiations.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Do Mandos fully own these planets or not? That needs to be addressed immediately as everyone has different ideas on it.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37153

 

[Mars]

Why is it Corden you always either Argue with or double guess every decision made by this factions Leadership, or really any decision that isn't your idea in the first place?

Because he brings up legitimate points, that's why.

The Chiss were close to negotiating a treaty to call an end to a war they had a massive advantage in from the start. I was the Chiss FL when things started, I'm not gonna lie, that war would've been shorter than the little people Exodeus routinely punts. The Chiss have a huge advantage in terms of technology, stability, manpower and positioning, not to mention they're allies with the incredibly beast Empire.

In addition to that, I'm about to do a thread with Raif to help set up Roon and multiple people have RP'd setting that area up to be our new homeland. Given Roon's past it makes WAY more sense for us to be there as opposed to the middle of west bumble**** and Endor.

Lastly, I was not even approached a little about this, and I'm the second in command.

 

[Horizon]

Why is it Corden you always either Argue with or double guess every decision made by this factions Leadership, or really any decision that isn't your idea in the first place?

Why must you call him out on whether or not he's arguing/discussing/asking questions?

Some people may not be fully understanding what is going on. May even feel that this may impact the faction in a negative manner. It's what he wants to do, try to discuss it in a more private manner however.