Main Battles Moving Forward

[Brandon Rhea]

Looks solid.

One thing I am concerned about however is NPC's. I believe I read sonewhere that, when Manaan rules are in effect, they are not to be used.

Is this true? Because 1v1 firefights don't sound particularly exciting.

It's just PCs, yeah. So it's incumbent upon faction leaders to ensure that the scenarios within those threads are exciting. I can't find the post at the moment, but in one of the other announcements, @Black Noise had a great post about how to make things interesting especially for soldiers.

 

[Kiro]

Looks solid.

One thing I am concerned about however is NPC's. I believe I read sonewhere that, when Manaan rules are in effect, they are not to be used.

Is this true? Because 1v1 firefights don't sound particularly exciting.

Ben vs Vader.

Luke vs Vader.

Luke vs Vader Redux.

Kanan Jarrus vs Grand Inquisitor.

Need I go on?

 

[Marcus]

Ideally, in my opinion, a two v two with squad separation as the story would work best. Two men separated from their squad come under fire from a two man team of the enemy in a superior position. Bam, the rebels must somehow use firepower and tactics to overcome the imperial pinning them down. Flip side, imperial encounter two rebels and must take them down before they discover sooper sekrit plans. Either way would be an interesting backdrop to a 2v2.

But 1v1 is simply too bland on a soldier level. It works well for jedi and sith, who tend to be human tanks, but not soldiers.

@Brandon Rhea is this the one? http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/...wn-of-the-republic.62721/page-17#post-1209558

Also, I think the reply about about "firefights" by @Archer was meant more for non-glowstick fights, like soldiers and such.

 

[Aurek]

Ben vs Vader.

Luke vs Vader.

Luke vs Vader Redux.

Kanan Jarrus vs Grand Inquisitor.

Need I go on?

Not one of those duels were firefights. You've clearly missed my point. It's easy for a Jedi and a Sith to clash blades because that's what you'd expect from Star Wars -- not everyone intends to play a lightsaber-wielding character. Can you really imagine a war fought by non-force users fought only through staged duels? It doesn't work that way. As @Black Noise put it, it'll be bland if you're playing a soldier.

Unless of course, BA starts bringing in a few dozen more people -- but at the moment, that doesn't look like it will be happening.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

@Brandon Rhea is this the one? http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/...wn-of-the-republic.62721/page-17#post-1209558

Also, I think the reply about about "firefights" by @Archer was meant more for non-glowstick fights, like soldiers and such.

That's the one!

 

[Kiro]

Not one of those duels were firefights. You've clearly missed my point. It's easy for a Jedi and a Sith to clash blades because that's what you'd expect from Star Wars -- not everyone intends to play a lightsaber-wielding character. Can you really imagine a war fought by non-force users fought only through staged duels? It doesn't work that way. As @Black Noise put it, it'll be bland if you're playing a soldier.

Unless of course, BA starts bringing in a few dozen more people -- but at the moment, that doesn't look like it will be happening.

Right, didn't see the "firefight" caveat. But in that case, just look at Rebels if you want inspiration. Plenty of classic shootouts. Or any western.

 

[Loco]

Right, didn't see the "firefight" caveat. But in that case, just look at Rebels if you want inspiration. Plenty of classic shootouts. Or any western.

Classic westerns are a great comparison. It's all about shooting and moving and making use of your environment.

 

[Korvo]

I am totally down for getting into space battles! I heard they were the worst to get into, but I've always wanted to try them anyway. Now, I'm even more excited for them, the tech superiority stuff (unless you were really comparing two civilizations that were starkly different in their technological development) seemed like it caused more harm than good because it warped priorities.

To make an analogy, you should try to have best shot, not the fanciest gun... if that makes any sense to anyone else.

 

[Pernicious]

I'm really excited about this! I'm definitely more inclined to participate in big battles with the Manaan Rules.
Now we just need more people interested in the Sacred Band of Zoist and the Border Alliance.

 

[CJ Solo]

I've only really put my pinky toe into the realm of PvP because PvP generally has not been a fun or positive experience for me; much of which has been mentioned above with the OOC bickering and the ego measuring thing.

I think this looks good for main battles, even if for whatever reasons some might have for not being able to get online every other day or so.

Who decides what a main battle is that matters to the plot? Is it set up between factions or do the admins push those buttons and tell the factions what to do? (Total newb question sorry :D)

I agree on the above sentiment about quality over quantity. I don't realy want to read 15 different ways in a single post how dark and broody someone's character is before they spend 2 or 3 sentances actually doing something lol

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I've only really put my pinky toe into the realm of PvP because PvP generally has not been a fun or positive experience for me; much of which has been mentioned above with the OOC bickering and the ego measuring thing.

I think this looks good for main battles, even if for whatever reasons some might have for not being able to get online every other day or so.

Who decides what a main battle is that matters to the plot? Is it set up between factions or do the admins push those buttons and tell the factions what to do? (Total newb question sorry :D)

I agree on the above sentiment about quality over quantity. I don't realy want to read 15 different ways in a single post how dark and broody someone's character is before they spend 2 or 3 sentances actually doing something lol

It's set up by the faction leaders.

 

[Sin]

Regardless of interest, the scenario would have to be pretty convincing for me to be on my own on the battlefield with some other soldier that just happens to be separated from their unit also....

Complicated thing this 1v1 system.

Also, if you can't find time to post in any RP thread within 72 hours, hopefully you're making that known prior to signing up. Kind of inconsiderate to the others if the thread is dragging out because it takes you 2 to 3 days to respond when it's your turn.

I wish it was a site rule period, not just for PvP.

But yeah, I've said my piece about the Manaan rules, so I won't point out all of the problems i have with it again in this thread.

What I will say though is that if the emphasis does shift away from my cool gear and my cool tech is better than yours so I'm going to win...then I think it will help with combat on the site in general.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

I for one like the new rules. Yeah they are restrictive if you get busy. But they re badly needed. I have been in many battles but sometimes they would go on forever or never end. looks @Lucid :D A question though.

Since the rules are much more strict about failing to post is, death automatic if you don't post or will you be able to get away with just injury. I know death wasn't in the current rules but most of the hits are attempts at killing. And on that end will serious RL issues that come up and keep someone from posting be dealt on a case by case basis instead of an auto kill?

 

[Dakota]

Would it be possible to get links to some battle or PvP threads that newer people like myself can look to as 'examples' of what we should expect when it comes to combat? The last time I wrote a PvP thread on this forum was at least a year ago and I haven't done much, if any, since.

Other than that, I like the way this is going.

 

[Pernicious]

Would it be possible to get links to some battle or PvP threads that newer people like myself can look to as 'examples' of what we should expect when it comes to combat? The last time I wrote a PvP thread on this forum was at least a year ago and I haven't done much, if any, since.

Some examples, maybe put into the initial post, would be awesome.

 

[Aurek]

Sure, who doesn't like a claasic western firefight. Fights like that have a time and a place, a big battle to determine the fate of the galaxy is not one of them.

Other than this, however, I support the implementation of an objective based warzone and this new focus on efficiency.

So, I'll just grin and bare it.

 

[Sin]

@Dakota and @stsjr

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/battle-of-manaan-the-fight-for-ahto-city.61200/

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/battle-of-manaan-the-ahto-walls.61201/

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/battle-of-manaan-the-hrakert-rift.61204/

Those are the battles that brought about the change. That said... If you search the threads tabbed as "Main Story" you will find other examples of battles carried out with these rules.

 

[TAC]

I never liked being the heroes or villains in Battlefront 2, anyways.

Are we assuming one trained force user is equivalent to two trained non-force users, then? This argument has been rehashed a million times on our forums, but I can't reasonably see one dude with a blaster going one-on-one with a Sith Master. No amount of rolling is going to save you (lol @ Battlefront 2). Especially not if their form lends itself to fighting a combatant wielding a blaster.

Sure, "there is always a way." But one can only sidestep so many times, right?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

And on that end will serious RL issues that come up and keep someone from posting be dealt on a case by case basis instead of an auto kill?

We have a rule in place, known unofficially as the "Raif Rule" based on the user who was the reason for the rule's creation, that says if you can't post because of real-world situations completely out of your control, you will not be killed. What likely happens instead is that you are captured. You are then given the opportunity to try and escape.

 

[Outlander]

I never liked being the heroes or villains in Battlefront 2, anyways.

Are we assuming one trained force user is equivalent to two trained non-force users, then? This argument has been rehashed a million times on our forums, but I can't reasonably see one dude with a blaster going one-on-one with a Sith Master. No amount of rolling is going to save you (lol @ Battlefront 2). Especially not if their form lends itself to fighting a combatant wielding a blaster.

Sure, "there is always a way." But one can only sidestep so many times, right?

The strength of force users compared to non-force users was debated to death back in the New Timeline thread. I think it ended up coming down to Force Users just being straight up more powerful than Non-Force Users, requiring the Non-Force Users to use tricks or tactics to win, as opposed to trying a straight up fight. While I don't personally agree with this, I think it's a fine enough base line.