Major blast in Norwegian capital

[Matt]

Let's not turn this into a religious debate, start another thread if you want.

 

[Malz]

Let's not turn this into a religious debate, start another thread if you want.

I promise that is not my intention.

 

[Emma Lou]

Death toll at the camp is at least 85 and 7 from the bombing.

RIP to everyone :(

 

[D.O.F.F]

So I woke up when the phone rang, it was my parents telling me about this lunatic who planted a bomb in Oslo and then went out and killed a whole bunch of children. probably one of the worst way to wake up:( nothing pisses me of like killing of children.

Btw his name is Anders Behring Breivik 32 years old and he killed at least 92 people..

 

[Keanu]

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/23/norway-suspect-attacked-multiculturalism

Anti multiculturalist and anti islamic.

Since labour partys tend to go for multicultarism I can understand why he chose labour.

 

[Ser Gregor]

And the conspiracy theories start. Snippet from a nut-job Facebook 'friend'.

The attacks on Norway are most likely an inside job, carried out by elements of the security services of Norway, NATO, the CIA, and MOSSAD.

1. Norway is ending its involvement in Libya

2. Norwegian Socialists plans to vote on a measure calling for military action against ISRAEL if it decides to act against Hamas in Gaza.

3. Norway to be the first European Nation to Recognise PALESTINE

4. The UTOYA CAMP kids were holding signs that says “BOYCOTT ISRAEL”.

A CIA-linked group, ANSAR AL-JIHAD AL-ALAMI, or the HELPERS of the GLOBAL JIHAD, has claimed responsibility for the OSLO ATTACKS- New York Times. Yet this has been ignored.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

And the conspiracy theories start. Snippet from a nut-job Facebook 'friend'.

So basically, it was an inside job or something from NATO or the CIA because Norway is ending its involvement in Libya and could call for action against Israel, among other things. In making it look like some sort of terrorist attack by Islamic extremists, with the goal being to change Norway's mind on all of those things, everyone says "Yup, it's the blonde white guy."

What a ****ing idiot.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Yea, exactly. The guy was anti-islamic and anti-multiculturalism. If the CIA/NATO was involved, they ****ed up on a ridiculous level.

 

[Matt]

Norway isn't exactly a military powerhouse is it?

 

[Ser Gregor]

Now he's saying that it's the United States moving the view of terrorists as Muslim extremists to middle-class whites, because somehow that has to do with how the US Economy is going to shit.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Now he's saying that it's the United States moving the view of terrorists as Muslim extremists to middle-class whites, because somehow that has to do with how the US Economy is going to shit.

So basically he's saying that the United States wants to vilify middle class white people, as if to say that the blame for the economic issues is on them -- and I would imagine the result is to take away blame from the rich? That, of course, is in spite of the fact that the President of the United States wants to raise taxes on the rich.

/headdesk

 

[Ser Gregor]

The attacks on Norway are most likely an inside job, carried out by elements of the security services of Norway, NATO, the CIA, and MOSSAD.

1. Norway is ending its involvement in Libya

2. Norwegian Socialists plans to vote on a measure calling for military action against ISRAEL if it decides to act against Hamas in Gaza.

3. Norway to be the first European Nation to Recognise PALESTINE

4. The UTOYA CAMP kids were holding signs that says “BOYCOTT ISRAEL”.

A CIA-linked group, ANSAR AL-JIHAD AL-ALAMI, or the HELPERS of the GLOBAL JIHAD, has claimed responsibility for the OSLO ATTACKS- New York Times. Yet this has been ignored.

Add in the fact that the police were holding excersise's to deal with bombs. on the same street, in the same building, less than 48 hours before the bomb goes off.

Or how about the fact that less than 5 days ago. the DHS released a video showing white middle class amercians as terrosits and the asians blacks and hispancis ratting them out. video: see something, say something. That video is a clear cut case of racial profiling. but of whites.

how about the fact that multiple witness are stating that there were mulitple shooters. and yet we have yet to hear from a single witness on the mass media yet.

What your not realizing is that over the past few months. things have been gone into the shitter. Its Amercia that is about to wake up to the shit hole they have been drawn into. and they will be pissed. so in prepration. they are starting to stop the views of "muslim zealots" and pass it onto the middle class whit amercian that is most likely to be the terroist. and so now look at this guy. he is the prime example of what hitler would have loved in his eugenics program. and yea. the 90 kids killed. changes things a **** load dude.

its a political youth camp.
Consisting of people with the same views as the gun man.

theres kids were 15-18.and than look at the arab spring. which was predominately organized and involved by youngsters. and also add in the now the nations in fear. in panic. and in anger. they wont care as much about saving the world as killing the bastard who killed their children. bet you any money, this will either be a decade long trial. or a month long wait till hes hanged

His ramblings.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There's a kink in his argument (well, many kinks but one big one).

If the US government wanted people in America to be afraid of white middle class citizens, they would've done this in America. You don't do this in Norway and then expect us to think of white people as terrorists.

It's amazing how with some morons think everything has to be a conspiracy. It's like they're just not emotionally capable of dealing with the fact that supposedly normal people can do something like this.

 

[Viggy]

[long post about the double-standards and finger-pointing of society

You make a really good point. Everyone jumped to say it must be more Islamic terrorism because of all the press it gets, but next time there's an attack in Europe, I bet no one will jump to say it must be more Christian terrorism.

 

[Keanu]

I told you guys it wasnt an islamic terrorist act.

 

[Viggy]

Okay, not everyone jumped there, but a lot of people did.

 

[Cailst]

Like I said, this is a tragedy. But after reading comment after comment on these news sites about how terrible Islam is, and how great Christianity is, I can't help it. I'll bet that if they wanted to build a church near this site, no one's going to cause a shitstorm about it. I'll bet if some Christians wanted to enter the area in the future, no one's going to freak out. Religious fanaticism sickens me, no matter what label you slap on it, because while people bash and discriminate against other religions, they tend to ignore the pain THEIR OWN religion has caused.

That's probably because Norway's people are mostly Christians to some degree or another. Similarly, I doubt that Iraq is going to raise a fuss if someone builds a mosque not far from a site of a former terrorist attack. However, if a Christian were to do a terrorist attack on Iraq and a church were to be built there later on, I could see some issues arising.

I'll say this for the third time: I am very saddened by the loss of life. But what's REALLY disturbing, even more than these tragedies, is how human beings react to them.

When did we stop our isolationism get into WW2 to stop a tyrant? AFTER we were bombed first.

When did we pull together as a nation? AFTER 9/11 when it took thousands of people being killed to make us realize shit.

Yes, I know these are American examples as opposed to Norwegian, but does it really make much of a difference? It ALWAYS takes a disaster to make people suddenly start caring again, and it only lasts for a month or two. Then we forget and go back to our finger-pointing ways and it disgusts me. I admit that I fall into the same trap all the time. That disgusts me too.

So, while I know my posts are probably going to make me a few enemies, I simply don't give a shit. Some anvils need to be dropped.

If we had maintained the same mindset for a solid ten years after 9/11, I really doubt anything good would have been accomplished. Sure, we needed time to grieve over the fact that our nation had been so viciously attacked but staying in a state of constant patriotic fervor blinds us to those who would take advantage of that fervor. Going back to finger pointing allows genuine debate about who has some fault and thus can allow us to fix it or prevent it again in the future.

Ofcourse I realize that and I think it was evident I was talking about islamic terrorism.


Number of foiled, failed or succesfull terrorist attacks in the EU

No islamic terrorist group has claimed responsibilty yet

The norwegian press thought one did but after inquiry's to the same group they denied any involvement.

The shooter is a norwegian ethnicity so that reduces my suspicious it was a religious / islamic terrorist act.

The norwegian press also says the attacks are connected (and they found bombs on the island) so reducing my suspicions that it was islamic terrorism

If there were 400 or so incidents back in 08, why didn't we hear about many of them? Were they just bombing mailboxes and other small stuff or was it mostly foiled attacks?

 

[Random Hero]

This insane pos should be prosecuted in Texas.

 

[Viggy]

This insane pos should be prosecuted in Texas.

I'm guessing you're saying he should be executed?

He's in captivity, it's highly unlikely that he'll escape. He'll suffer for his crimes over many long years. This is what he deserves, not death. Death is merciful, it ends his suffering.

 

[Kant]

If death is more merciful to a prisoner then why do prisoners fight so hard to get life in prison rather than the death penalty? You could say that they are mistaken and that life in prison really is more brutal but that is completely unsubstantiated evidence, and if it really was that bad the criminals would have found out from other criminals by now and they wouldn't take the death penalty. Healthy people are naturally so afraid of death that they will do almost anything to avoid it. Besides, do we punish people to make them suffer or to protect society? Personally I would rather not pay the cost if it is just to make them suffer life in prison is expensive. Yes, I know what your thinking (creepy right?) your thinking isn't life in prison cheaper then executing someone. As it stands now yes, but this could be altered. For one, why are we ok with throwing someone away for life on evidence that is not good enough to execute them with? That means we are willing to throw someone in jail for the rest of their lives when we are not sure to our highest level of practical proof that they are guilty. If we made the level of proof required for life in prison the same as the level of proof required for the death penalty the death penalty would be much cheaper then life without parole. The expensive part of a execution trial is all the appeals, the higher level of proof required, take this out and execution because the act of executing someone is cheaper than housing them for life. Furthermore, if we do not care at all, in fact may even prefer if he suffers, then we go to much cheaper and less humane ways of executing people. To sum it up, I say we should raise the level of proof required for life without parole to equal the level of proof required for execution, and use less humane and much cheaper forms of execution. I say put a bullet into all murderer's heads and have it done.