New Neutral Area!

[Demiurge]

Hm, do the factions have to rent out the embassies, along with the docking bays and security fees?

All territories within Daedalus are leased out to parties, so yes they do. Docking bays, repulsor trams, or other methods of travel are provided with the embassy. Security forces are only hired by ambassadors in the event they do not have their own or prefer hiring security forces of Daedalus over their own. More often than not, that doesn't happen though. Alliance and Imperial embassies are guarded by Alliance and Imperial troopers, for example.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

One thing I want to emphasize, which Xeno mentioned a couple of posts ago, is that there is more of the Daedalus. It will ultimately all be rolled out, pending the outcome of this release of course, but we felt it best not to release something new that was really complex right out of the gate.

 

[Empress]

just for the record I fully intend to break this in at some point today- Crystavians are renowned drinkers-

 

[Gaja]

LOL, great, SWRP has its own Citadel! I mean Daedalus!!! Looking good!

 

[Saul]

...is slavery legal on Daedalus? As in, if I want to have a slave character, is Daedalus a viable area to go to, or should I look to the more typical Nar Shaddaa et al?

Also, is a subforum for OOC communication concerning Daedalus in the works for the Neutral Roleplay OOC area, or is Roleplay OOC area the default area for OOC threads concerning Daedalus?

 

[Nirvana]

Slavery isn't allowed I think. There is a Neutral RP OOC area already that can be used for Daedalus Rp's I think.

 

[Kiro]

I'm in the works of setting something up (quite soon) on Daedalus, for everyone.

 

[Demiurge]

...is slavery legal on Daedalus? As in, if I want to have a slave character, is Daedalus a viable area to go to, or should I look to the more typical Nar Shaddaa et al?

Also, is a subforum for OOC communication concerning Daedalus in the works for the Neutral Roleplay OOC area, or is Roleplay OOC area the default area for OOC threads concerning Daedalus?

Daedalus is a place of free trade, so you very well could see slaves being sold if you went to a corporation that sold them, although they almost certainly wouldn't actually call them as such (the word "slave" is politically incorrect in almost any government). Just about any kind of business you can imagine would be present there, and slavery (especially in the Imperium) is considered a resource. Thus, an organization based out of Daedalus may do business with the Imperium in the slave trade. Because of Daedalus' laws however, you wouldn't see a slave being forced to lick their master's boots or anything like that, if that's what you mean. They have to be treated humanly.

And yes, the Netural RP OOC serves as the OOC area for Daedalus

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Also, is a subforum for OOC communication concerning Daedalus in the works for the Neutral Roleplay OOC area, or is Roleplay OOC area the default area for OOC threads concerning Daedalus?

Added as a sub-board of Neutral Role Play OOC.

 

[Saul]

Thanks, just trying to help in case people want to organize RP's or anything, making the area easy to find! I hope to use Daedalus soon for my own RP, since it sounds like a *cough* strangely familiar setting I've grown to love.

 

[Demiurge]

NP. I hope this picks up steam because I want one of the districts to open up. One of my chars is going to make their home on Daedalus' residential areas.

 

[Sleven]

All I see with this place is the potential for it to mess with peoples' stories in a big way. This will become highly invasive on any actions characters may potentially want to take. The slave example shows it perfectly, as does the fact that basically any character can run here and flip off the rest of the characters on the forum. The fact that it disregards the free-form roleplay that the rest of the forum operates on creates an incongruency that leads to conflict and abuse.

For all intents and purposes this place does not exist in the continuity of any of my characters' existences. If that means I can't roleplay in other places because I choose to ignore the existence of this one and will never visit it, then so be it, consider this my resignation. If not, I'll see the people that want to do real roleplay, and not watered down crap in the other parts of the forum.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

All I see with this place is the potential for it to mess with peoples' stories in a big way. This will become highly invasive on any actions characters may potentially want to take. The slave example shows it perfectly, as does the fact that basically any character can run here and flip off the rest of the characters on the forum. The fact that it disregards the free-form roleplay that the rest of the forum operates on creates an incongruency that leads to conflict and abuse.

For all intents and purposes this place does not exist in the continuity of any of my characters' existences. If that means I can't roleplay in other places because I choose to ignore the existence of this one and will never visit it, then so be it, consider this my resignation. If not, I'll see the people that want to do real roleplay, and not watered down crap in the other parts of the forum.

I'm sorry you're frustrated, but I really don't know what you're saying here. You seem to be under the assumption that you have to RP on the Daedalus. You also seem to be suggesting that it creates some new complex thing that affects everyone. Neither is true.

Can you please explain your concern more clearly? Thanks!

EDIT: Or, do you mean that someone could hide here in order to avoid people? If so, that's not something we'd really allow. This isn’t meant to replace the Story board for anyone, this is meant to be just another area where characters can go to hang out. Things that directly affect the Story shouldn’t really be taking place here, that’s not the intent of the Daedalus or any other neutral area.

I’m not going to assume, right out of the gate, that people are going to do something like that. However, if it does happen, it’s something we’d put a stop to. The Daedalus is not something we want to see used to avoid having to deal with things that are happening in the Story with your character. That’s essentially cheating and in violation of the spirit of the Daedalus.

 

[Sleven]

I'm sorry you're frustrated, but I really don't know what you're saying here.

I'm not frustrated, I'm very calm, but I can see where there could be a misunderstanding given the nature of the internet. I hoped my statement would make sense, but I will try to clarify.

You seem to be under the assumption that you have to RP on the Daedalus.

I don't have that impression, I was asking if ignoring the place's existence for all of my characters exempted me from being able to roleplay in other areas given the fact that events that happen on the Daedalus were considered part of SWRP canon and thus the two interact with eachother.

You also seem to be suggesting that it creates some new complex thing that affects everyone. Neither is true.

It does, because people will abuse this place. It is only natural. Obviously not everyone will have these same objectives in mind, and yes it could be fun to have mortal enemies have a drinking contest with one another (in a fiction of a fiction), but the fact of the matter remains that it will be abused. People can use it to get Daedalus intervention into things by simply going there. Essentially a free pass to do things like get out of being enslaved, bypass almost inescapable odds of being killed or captured or hunted, etc, etc, etc. You've probably thought of 10 more ways it could be abused by now just due to the fact that I brought it up. That is my point.

 

[Saul]

I think the Daedalus best serves as a means for Empire and Alliance characters to interact outside of "stab you in the face with a lasersword" situations. You don't have to RP there if you don't want to. I don't see how a Jedi and Sith meeting on the Daedalus creates some sort of world-imploding paradox. If you don't wish to take part in that, then you can still go to the regular storyboard. I also don't see the argument that killing other characters necessarily advances any plot or storyline better than a peaceful dialogue, and yet from what I've seen peaceful dialogues with an [OPEN] tag are almost always destroyed by unnecessarily wanton violence and assassination attempts. Daedalus is probably the only place where you can have ad hoc [OPEN] threads without worrying that you didn't bring enough thermal detonators.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Please see my edit to my previous post. I’m not going to assume worst case scenario and assume that people are going to do horrible things and abuse it. Our member base here consistently goes for what’s responsible rather than what’s cheap. If it becomes an actual issue instead of a hypothetical one then we will put a stop to that, but I’m not going to assume worst case scenario at the beginning of this new board. For now, just know that using it as an intervention in a situation that is not going your way goes against the spirit of the board, and we will stop it if it happens.

As for whether you can ignore it, sure. You can ignore the Sith or the Jedi too. They're still there in the canon of the site, but you don't need to have anything to do with them if that's what you so choose.

I think the Daedalus best serves as a means for Empire and Alliance characters to interact outside of "stab you in the face with a lasersword" situations.

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Daedalus is probably the only place where you can have ad hoc [OPEN] threads without worrying that you didn't bring enough thermal detonators.

This is the spirit of the board. It's meant to be a place to hang out and grab a drink. We consider it neutral in galactic affairs in order to allow Jedi and Sith or whoever else from any other faction to have a drink with each other if they were so inclined, without having to worry about the war.

 

[Empress]

Again I viewed it like Mannan in kotor, or the Nar Shadda promenade in TOR, or how Zeltros traditionally was.... Areas where a third party is in charge and everyone playes by their rules while there.

My characters in Tor hang out with rival factions, taunt tease yadda yadda there because from a canon point of view- the Cartel said we cant and will take nasty action if we try, we behave because it's in our interests to"


so having these sort of areas ARE actually very normal in SW lore to start with as both a story element and a game mechanic.

 

[Sleven]

Ah this clears it up for me much better, cases of abuse will be handled case by case by the Admins. Makes much more sense. I was just reading some of the posts like about how some Jedi hid out in a neutral place like this or something for his entire life or whatever the case was, etc, etc and got the wrong impression.

I feel like this site is very good at sticking to its word of having Admins address issues like this and thus I am taking this in good faith ( until Admins start ruling in favor of one side more than the other :CStern )

EDIT: Also to all the people bringing up video games, I don't play them much and don't know much about MMOs. All I can say is that they sound pretty unrealistic if they were to exist in a real world environment. That being said we have Admin intervention here, something that I am assuming MMOs don't?

EDIT2: I'm still a fundamentalist when it comes to free-form RP. Just making that clear. And yea, I will probably choose to ignore the fact that this place not only exists, but is even allowed to exist. I guess that sets all my characters uniquely apart from the rest of the forum's canon, and that's why I was asking if that was any cause for concern for abuse from my end. But since there doesn't seem to be (based on what I'm infering from Bac's comment) then I still get to roleplay on this forum, so whatev.

Also side note about some of the stuff:
Security systems that can react to a person's intentions before they even know them to stop their action before it even occurs? Beyond Godmodding, even from the Admins. And I personally disagree with some of the systems in this. But people may enjoy them, who knows, I can't speak for the forum's general populace and decide the way they all should roleplay.

 

[Empress]

well in that sense...its the hutt cartel - the empire and the republic both dont want to get on their bad side thus you behave or risk pissing off the hutt clans and seeing the cartel really making this miserable.

Mannan - again both sides wanted * NEEDED* it because of it's kolto thus again you play nice because you NEED that resource

places like zeltros and other traditionally neutral were a matter of behaving because it was a place to escape and not conform heavily to your normal roles and let loose

thats not to say things in a realistic setting didnt transpire but when they did action was usually swift by the local authority and another faction held accountable . Life is dynamic like that you can't expect things to fall into a specific pattern of anything life does not work like that true- howver there is a way to limit the degree of it slightly and more so as a game mechanic which is more or less what we have here.

 

[Sleven]

Also, I did some edits to make sure not to double post, but please feel free to review those as well and if you have any concerns with them bring them up.