The Sequel Trilogy: Your Ideas?

[Kaeb]

You just reworded what Brandon said...

No I didn't, in fact we covered two different spectrums of ideas and the creating of those ideas. His point was regarding approaching an already established idea, but with a different take, my point was regarding the method of using multiple influences to create what is effectively a Frankenstein of an idea, which is what led me to provide Star Wars as the perfect example of that method working.

 

[jpchewy01]

That's an argument rooted in the belief that there are only a certain number of stories (which was what Brandon was saying). Creating a Frankenstein idea is just one of the ways to present the old idea, in Brandon's words, "in an interesting way."

 

[Kaeb]

That's an argument rooted in the belief that there are only a certain number of stories (which was what Brandon was saying). Creating a Frankenstein idea is just one of the ways to present the old idea, in Brandon's words, "in an interesting way."

Now you're just mincing words to make them sound like similar statements, and I'm not sure I understand why you're pressing this point either.

But again, I'll bite. Watch this video:

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Both Bac's and my statements, are simply just different ways of approaching the same basic concept, which is attempting to produce content that is consumable and ultimately either entertaining or rewarding in some fashion, whether that be through emotional satisfaction, or other determinations.

His post seemed to indicate the approach of, you can have the same basic concept as something else, but it doesn't ultimately matter if you make the story interesting. It's the old adage of, ''Why should I write this story? It's been told a thousand times before!!!''

Outside of coming up with someone or something entirely original, which is extremely difficult given the thousands upon thousands of years of culture we've cultivated as a species, we have the two options Bac and I discussed.

• Make it interesting, either by writing it from a different perspective, a different tone, a different chatacter etc.
• Take a number of already established ideas, combine their various elements, thus producing a new idea.

Now do you understand?

 

[jpchewy01]

I understand that concept. I just don't understand why you contradicted him when you both were getting at the same point from different directions. Both approaches have worked in the past and one is not "better" than the other.

 

[Kaeb]

I understand that concept. I just don't understand why you contradicted him when you both were getting at the same point from different directions. Both approaches have worked in the past and one is not "better" than the other.

I prefer my approach because it's worked better for me in the past?

How is me disagreeing with his belief that very few ideas are original, an issue for you? My point, is that through amalgamation storytelling you can make your idea original.

 

[jpchewy01]

I don't have an issue, I was just trying to point out that you guys were getting at the same basic concept.

 

[Kaeb]

I don't have an issue, I was just trying to point out that you guys were getting at the same basic concept.

Which is why I posted the Vonnegut video. You can boil almost anything down to a basic concept, it doesn't make them the same thing.

That's like me saying ''We're both typing words to each other online, we must be saying the same thing!''

 

[jpchewy01]

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

 

[Kaeb]

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

No.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

• Make it interesting, either by writing it from a different perspective, a different tone, a different chatacter etc.
• Take a number of already established ideas, combine their various elements, thus producing a new idea.

This is a good breakdown of what you and I were saying, though I'd point out that the two are not mutually exclusive. I was arguing the first one, but I wasn't precluding the second one as being part of it.

 

[Marf]

It would be a complete cluster**** of information or lackthereof if they chose to adapt something from the EU, so much of it either requires the inclusion of other material for the purposes of exposition, or it just clashes with other material to the point where it's almost impossible to determine what is canon and what it not.

Ignoring all of the EU altogether and attempting to come up with an original story is their best option.

 

[Tribunal Power]

Luke Skywalker meets a woman at a party, but only finds out where she works, leading Luke and Han to "stake" her out at her building.

Luke is robbed after Chewy leaves the door open, causing him to find a new apartment that Han becomes jealous of.

Luke makes an off-color remark at an aunt's dinner that subsequently leads to her death.

Han leaves several nasty messages on a girlfriends answering machine, forcing Luke and Han to break into her apartment and steal the tape.

Luke finds Leia an apartment in his building, but tries to stop her from moving in when he realizes the downside of their living in the same building.

Luke has his apartment cleaned by the boyfriend of Leia's client and later learns that the housekeeper stole a valuable statue.

Han quits his job after tiring of his demanding boss; he immediately regrets his decision and tries to get his job back, undertaking an act of revenge on his erstwhile employer.

Han thinks he's having a heart attack but actually needs a tonsillectomy, leading Chewy to recommend a holistic healer as a cheaper alternative.

Luke and Leia renew their sexual relationship after coming across a soft-core pornographic film, but they set ground rules for their future escapades.

[come on, the last one's gold]

 

[Blaxican]

Luke Skywalker meets a woman at a party, but only finds out where she works, leading Luke and Han to "stake" her out at her building.

Luke is robbed after Chewy leaves the door open, causing him to find a new apartment that Han becomes jealous of.

Luke makes an off-color remark at an aunt's dinner that subsequently leads to her death.

Han leaves several nasty messages on a girlfriends answering machine, forcing Luke and Han to break into her apartment and steal the tape.

Luke finds Leia an apartment in his building, but tries to stop her from moving in when he realizes the downside of their living in the same building.

Luke has his apartment cleaned by the boyfriend of Leia's client and later learns that the housekeeper stole a valuable statue.

Han quits his job after tiring of his demanding boss; he immediately regrets his decision and tries to get his job back, undertaking an act of revenge on his erstwhile employer.

Han thinks he's having a heart attack but actually needs a tonsillectomy, leading Chewy to recommend a holistic healer as a cheaper alternative.

Luke and Leia renew their sexual relationship after coming across a soft-core pornographic film, but they set ground rules for their future escapades.

[come on, the last one's gold]

 

[Arisalin]

At least they're using the scripts George Lucas had. (Or so I heard.)
If they weren't, I don't have ANY idea what it would be going on. :p

 

[Kaeb]

At least they're using the scripts George Lucas had. (Or so I heard.)
If they weren't, I don't have ANY idea what it would be going on. :p

Because George's abilities as a writer are soooooo trustworthy.

 

[Blaxican]

I think it'd be really cool if the protagonist of the series was the daughter of Han and Leia.

Specifically, it'd be pretty hilarious to see her running around the Galaxy getting into Jedi adventures, trying to be trained by Luke all the while. Good luck Grandmaster, she's got the temperament of her mother and the wise-ass snarkiness of her father.

 

[Sabre]

I think it would be fairly unwise on the part of Disney to centre the plot too greatly around the original characters, I'm not sure their constitution would allow for the kind of action sequences we have come to expect from SW protagonists, and a largely new cast would act to build a new unique identity for this new chapter in the saga. Saying that I do feel that reprisal of their roles would certainly give an element of continuity which otherwise could leave the new trilogy feeling detached from the original story, and a little too much like what it is i.e. an unplanned sequel to a successful franchise designed to make money. I think as supporting characters their personal arcs could act succinctly to segue the events of the original trilogy into several distinct plot threads in the new e.g. Leia's thread of political unrest and intrigue, Luke and the reestablishment of the Jedi Order.
In terms of the antagonist I would like to see a more 3-dimensional approach than the archetypal evil Sith, I certainly want to see lightsaber duels, however the "darksiders" I think would be more intriguing as a splinter group of Luke's own new Jedi, perhaps one of Han and Leia's children? Certainly runs the risk of being derivative of the Vader storyline, but if done well could be both fresh and poignant.

 

[Green Ranger]

Luke Skywalker meets a woman at a party, but only finds out where she works, leading Luke and Han to "stake" her out at her building.

Luke is robbed after Chewy leaves the door open, causing him to find a new apartment that Han becomes jealous of.

Luke makes an off-color remark at an aunt's dinner that subsequently leads to her death.

Han leaves several nasty messages on a girlfriends answering machine, forcing Luke and Han to break into her apartment and steal the tape.

Luke finds Leia an apartment in his building, but tries to stop her from moving in when he realizes the downside of their living in the same building.

Luke has his apartment cleaned by the boyfriend of Leia's client and later learns that the housekeeper stole a valuable statue.

Han quits his job after tiring of his demanding boss; he immediately regrets his decision and tries to get his job back, undertaking an act of revenge on his erstwhile employer.

Han thinks he's having a heart attack but actually needs a tonsillectomy, leading Chewy to recommend a holistic healer as a cheaper alternative.

Luke and Leia renew their sexual relationship after coming across a soft-core pornographic film, but they set ground rules for their future escapades.

[come on, the last one's gold]

I only just saw this...I know it's a seinfeld reference...synopsis of almost every episode of season 2, by any chance?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I think it would be fairly unwise on the part of Disney to centre the plot too greatly around the original characters, I'm not sure their constitution would allow for the kind of action sequences we have come to expect from SW protagonists, and a largely new cast would act to build a new unique identity for this new chapter in the saga. Saying that I do feel that reprisal of their roles would certainly give an element of continuity which otherwise could leave the new trilogy feeling detached from the original story, and a little too much like what it is i.e. an unplanned sequel to a successful franchise designed to make money. I think as supporting characters their personal arcs could act succinctly to segue the events of the original trilogy into several distinct plot threads in the new e.g. Leia's thread of political unrest and intrigue, Luke and the reestablishment of the Jedi Order.

In terms of the antagonist I would like to see a more 3-dimensional approach than the archetypal evil Sith, I certainly want to see lightsaber duels, however the "darksiders" I think would be more intriguing as a splinter group of Luke's own new Jedi, perhaps one of Han and Leia's children? Certainly runs the risk of being derivative of the Vader storyline, but if done well could be both fresh and poignant.

My one main thought after reading this is "holy shit, it's Sabre."

That said, I pretty much agree with you on everything in your first paragraph. I'm not sure what I think about the splinter group, but it's certainly interesting. It would add more shades of grey to the story rather than the typical obvious good vs. obvious evil.

 

[Sabre]

My one main thought after reading this is "holy shit, it's Sabre."

That said, I pretty much agree with you on everything in your first paragraph. I'm not sure what I think about the splinter group, but it's certainly interesting. It would add more shades of grey to the story rather than the typical obvious good vs. obvious evil.

Lol thought it was about time for my annual visit. I'm not sure about it either, but I completely agree there needs to be a greater degree of moral ambiguity. The Jedi splinter group appealed to me as the division could arise not through some cliche dark side seduction, but over genuine differences of opinion on how involved in the escalating political conflict they should become, tensions perhaps being catalysed by the death of comrades. Han/Leia's child could be leading a Jedi task force and be caught under friendly-fire, or ambushed by a treacherous friendly faction, as the only survivor they could be severely traumatised by the experience, maybe suffering from PTS? As a result they feel they can no longer be involved in the conflict; leaving the Jedi fairly amicably. As time goes on and more innocent die, potentially including theirr parents, perhaps this rogue force-sensitive comes to hold all those in office as enemies of the peace, squabbling over supremacy while the common people die, and takes it upon themselves to enlist other like-minded individuals to bring down the centralised powers, obviously bringing them into conflict with their old comrades the Jedi. Motivated out of anger and loss; slowly what was once a noble cause becomes twisted by the dark side into a relentless quest for vengeance at any cost.