The Treaty of Agamar OOC

[Sapphire Storm]

(In-Character)​

(This ended up longer than I intended. Sorry!)

Okay! I thought it was about time this thread got an OOC thread, so here it is. There have been a couple issues in this thread, so I think an OOC thread for communication is a very good idea. The basics of it, as I understand them (and correct me if I'm wrong here, guys) are that the Sith participants have been overstepping some rules and making some pretty big mistakes. It's understandable, since you're all really new, as far as I'm aware, and it's part of the learning process.

Basically, here's the deal. Internecion, your last post will probably need to be edited. You simply did too much in a single post. I'm not anywhere near as experienced as the Jedi in the thread, so correct me if I'm wrong here guys, but a good standard to go by is typically three actions per post, correct? Reaction, movement, attack. That kind of thing. Anyway, your last post simply did too much. On top of that there was also use of NPCs in PvP, which I'm pretty sure isn't a thing that is allowed, and also excessive use of the Force, not just in that post, but through the entirety of the thread by all of the Sith participants. That's not something that is banned, obviously, but it just comes with some pretty big downsides.

When the Jedi participants write in their posts about how your excessive use of the Force is going to exhaust you, they're not lying and it's not roleplay fluff. Using the Force is exhausting and requires lots of concentration, and playing out the exhaustion that comes from it is kind of required, I think. Basically what's happening is you're shooting yourselves in the foot through a lack of understanding and experience.

But! The good thing is that this thread is an AMAZING learning opportunity, because you're in a thread with some VERY experienced members on the site. I'm sure you noticed Sreeya's almost 10K post count. Anyway, the key to these kinds of things is good communication, since it breeds understanding and avoids potential OOC conflicts, which can and will arise if you're not careful.

So basically what I'm saying is take the opportunity in this thread with some VERY experienced members of the site to learn as much as you can, take a read over the rules so you get a better idea of how things work, Internecion you'll probably have to edit your last post, and just generally communicate. You're all good writers, so don't worry about that, but just remember to ask questions, confirm things if you're unsure, and absorb the information and knowledge of the experienced people in the thread.

That's it, I think. Sorry this ended up being quite long.

@Sreeya @Ral @Arclight @Soverin @Internecion @Darles Chickens

 

[Internecion]

Of course, I am sorry for over stepping any bounds; but likewise, I'm glad this is being addressed early on for me. I'd rather get it dealt with personally, then it continue any further - and I am sure most of the overstepping has been on my part, as per use of the Force - as Soverin and Darles have been quite a bit less so in the thread.

Quick question before I edit that last post, on the NPC use - would I be able to RP the SBZ NPCs, like in the beginning of the last post where they start sweeping the area for the jamming device; or would that be a no-go as well? And as per using the Force, I totally see how the fear intention I was going for would be physically draining, but how is that use in my last post so I can adjust from this point forward, abandoning the fear tactics. It was essentially just a force blast after a grenade. then turning and cutting through the controls before that, makes 2 posts, there if you count the grenade. Would that be acceptable to go on? And i suppose if I do have use over the SBZ troops, i'd need to cut that out as grenade included would be 3. Unless - to go into a little more detail to be clear - you count him turning his back on the Jedi, igniting his lightsaber through the control panel as 1 (as I'd think he could pivot to turn in place while thumbing on an activation switch quick enough to count as one movement), then turning back around to face them 2 to force blast with grenade. 3. And npc use in the beginning, which could be 4; way overdoing it. Sorry, just trying to flesh this out as best I can and be clear so I don't repeat mistake.

Final note - yes I did notice that with Sreeya, though I would have rather not over stepped my bounds so far (lol yeah i'm sure that's obvious) but I was, and still am excited to be part of this thread as it gives me true experience with a veteran of the forum (she revealed to me she RP'd Andraste, and I've been lurking on prior RPs of that character since I found my way to this site)

 

[Sapphire Storm]

I don't know about the NPCs, so someone else is probably best to answer that one.

I'm not the best person to ask about all this, to be honest, so I'll leave it to the more experienced members, since they know what they're talking about far more than I do.

 

[Internecion]

Ok, as it's rather early I'll still wait to edit that last post until I get further clarification.

 

[Sreeya]

Since you can't absolutely at all use NPCs in combat, I'd cut it out entirely. You've rped their presence and they've been established around the parameters. That's the best you can do with them at this point regardless. They can't join the fight, they can't call in more reinforcements, etc. so just take it out entirely.

Cutting control panel, grenade and push should be the total number of actions. You can make these actions more specific and focused (also I don't think I read which hand the saber was in, but could've just missed it) but don't add more.

@Internecion

 

[Internecion]

Gotcha, you think I can keep the last portion in for flavor and dramatics? Such of him following Shae should she dodge or evade blast radius, and the dialogue part? Oh, and saber held in right hand, left produced grenade in like an open palm, and sort of levitated it out of palm and it went with force blast. @Sreeya

 

[Sreeya]

Yeah fluff stuff should be fine, it's offensive actions that should be limited :)

 

[Internecion]

K, Edited the NPC part out - let me know if I need to refine my editing anymore! Thanks for the clarification, sorry for going a bit over board with that last post too

 

[Arcangel]

@Darles Chickens

Which hip is your guys lightsaber on?

 

[Internecion]

We finishing this up today, or tomorrow? Let's do this, we're just now at the interesting part!

 

[Sreeya]

We finishing this up today, or tomorrow? Let's do this, we're just now at the interesting part!

Waitin' on the Sith!

@Soverin @Darles Chickens

 

[Darles Chickens]

Working on getting home and getting a post together. Sorry again, but work decided to be very needy this week! I'll be around. :)

 

[Internecion]

I meant to tag them in my post, thank you! XD

 

[Internecion]

Btw, everyone - I'll be cutting my lengthy posts down a little bit so you guys don't have to read through so much imagery - I'm gonna keep the fluff on, but now that PvP is here i promise it won't be so much to read through on my end.

 

[Darles Chickens]

Hey guys-- Just letting you know that I haven't forgotten about the post, I've got a post together, I'm just waiting to post it so I can proof it. Should be up in the morning ASAP!

 

[Soverin]

I feel like I totally misread the rule that stated all weapons / armour needed to be described at the beginning of the thread, and not the beginning of combat.

My mistake guys, I'll make sure my items are approved and accounted for next time! Just got in and have got to turn in for work but I'll get a post going in the afternoon so we can continue on.

 

[Ral]

Alright guys, after talking it over with my mates, we had a few issues with what happened in your post Sov.

When Mors turned himself to get into a defensive stance, he was greeted by one of the Jedi's stored force energy. A blast of power sent him in a bee line through the air, crashing against the room's larger window. A messy web of cracks spawned from the impact, but transparisteel was not so easily broken. The Sith smacked against the glass and uttered a guttural grunt, dropping to the floor just before the window.

Honestly, if he was hitting it that hard to cause transparisteel to spiderweb (which he was), he'd have fracture more than a few bones and have a concussion (the pure impact plus probably whiplash would deliver quite a lot of force to the brain). I think being out of action for two rounds from a hit like that is rather generous considering the Force it takes to do even something like that. At least, this is in my humble opinion of how much energy it would require of a large area to cause a squishy humanoid to fracture it.

Also, he wouldn't haven't gotten into a defensive stance by the time he was hit with that push. The reaction is concurrent to seeing the blaster drawn and fired, meaning the push hits almost immediately after the weapon is discharged. So before he can really take a stance he'd be getting hit with a blast of telekinetic energy.

He was winded, for sure. For a split moment his vision swirled around him, deceiving his eyes as to the clear picture he was receiving. In a muffled blur he watched the two jedi's assault on Internecion, too sluggish to muster the force to stop them. When he lifted his hand to focus on a blast of his own force energy crashed forward, having to use the same hand to prop himself up from collapsing.

Especially in his delirious state, his rage throbbed within his mind and compelled him to continue. It parted his clouded vision and showed him the only path to take. His blaster lay on the floor just near him, and in one swift motion he scooped the weapon up, still not having risen from the floor, and used the back of one of the councilor's chairs to aim a barrage of shots taken at the Jedi who assaulted him, Cassus. The three shots ripped through the air and caught the Jedi unaware as he assisted in a crippling attempt on Internecion's life, embedding themselves right into his flank. The barrage of attacks made their mark on his arm and back, hoping to incapacitate him. Mors wasn't a sniper with a blaster, but he was a better shot than most idiots who could pull a trigger. It was his eye sight that was his greatest boon, boasting hundreds of years of depth perception and timing practice.

When the shots made their mark, he cleared his thermal clip and took the councilor up from his chair, one arm pressed tight around his neck to use him as a body shield. Mors stood behind the heavy wooden chair for cover and assessed who would be his next target.

Okay, so here's my problem with all of this, ignoring the fact that Mors just slammed his body, and his head, against transparent steel and should be pretty much out for the rest of the post, you seem to be doing a lot. Going from just having gotten slammed into a big piece of glass, to being delirious and incapable of calling on the Force (which he tries to do), to suddenly clearing his vision (using Force RAAAAGE I'm assuming), grabbing his pistol, quickly moving behind some nearby cover, then firing an accurate barrage of bolts, assuming my character is still attacking Internecion and would be too distracted to stop the bolts. My point being, you're doing a lot for a guy that was literally almost pancaked between the Force and a Hard place in what really amounts to an incredibly short period of time.

Hopefully, we can get this all sorted out on our own, but if you don't think there's an easy way to resolve this we can always defer to the admins.

 

[Bardan Kex]

Hi outsider to the thread, but I have an opinion I'd like to share on something I read.

"When Mors turned himself to get into a defensive stance, he was greeted by one of the Jedi's stored force energy. A blast of power sent him in a bee line through the air, crashing against the room's larger window. A messy web of cracks spawned from the impact, but transparisteel was not so easily broken. The Sith smacked against the glass and uttered a guttural grunt, dropping to the floor just before the window."

Frankly I think Ral is being far too generous in his post by suggesting that Mors would simply have a few broken bones and a concussion. He'd very likely be dead. Transparisteel is still steel, a very hard substance. If a human body were to hit steel with enough of a force to cause the metal to splinter and spider web, your insides would be essentially mush, that's a larger surface area you are hitting really really hard.

 

[Internecion]

Hey @Bardan Kex I don't mean to be rude and genuinely hope I'm not - but at least until a counter point can be made, if it isn't something new to contribute and it's just kind of backing up something someone else said - can we at least wait until @Soverin can make a counter point before agreeing? Not that I agree or disagree i'm not stating my stance here - but for the lack of confusion with all of this, for the OOC board. That way we can look at one point at a time, respond to that point or give said RPer time to at least, then maybe give your agreement after his counter point can be made first? I of course value your input in this thread - asking this to keep it simple, you know? If this is an unfair request - my mistake, and carry on? LOL

Secondly - I need to reference Sov's post, but if he was using the Force as a kinetic shield of sorts, couldn't he have braced himself with the Force against the blast, or lessened it's impact? And as far as completely killing Sov or otherwise - there is a thing such as armor, and if Sov is wearing it - most generic armor has defenses against kinetic damage, right? Such as being thrashed around? In theory, if a force push gave him a concussion and broke bones as such - then literally every force push should have the force to break and shatter bones when hitting. Granted Sov did hit the transparisteel - but quiet honestly it is .. steel. A solid wall of steel - imagine a sedan going 60 on those crash commercials, the car likely hits a wall of some composition similiar to steel or brick - and completely shatters and destroys itself, enough momentum and force in the contact enough where it would break bones and give a concussion to those hitting plastic instead of an air bag for example - breaking bones and killing said dummy or person. Your telling me a force push has the same force of impact as a vehicle on those car crash commercials? Not to mention to generate enough force to punch -through- that brick or steel wall. The car always crumbles before the wall even cracks.
Now - I need to recognize I'm doing exactly what I was humbly asking if Barden refrain from doing - putting my 2 cents in before Sov can get his counter point out. I'll keep quiet now, just my two cents.
-Also, insert Darles in where it is due, where I have Sov in my post - i'm tired and lazy.

 

[Arcangel]

@Darles Chickens
So i have a few issues i would like to point out about your post.

"And then Mors did what Mors did...The Jedi arrived in time to witness that force crazy monster muck up the whole deal. Wasn't quite a loss for us at that point though, we could atleast fight them off. Attempt an escape, or keep them occupied while the real operation took place elsewhere. Regardless, blades were drawn, and chaos ensued..."For once the Sith truly didn't want to fight. It was humorous-- Trained to kill...would rather fly his ship around. Regardless, he was a good learner and retained the vital information that came with being a well trained and practiced force user. He'd work quickly as he heard the blaster go off, his hands dropping low to contort into half fists as he'd create a kinetic field of his own to absorb the sudden pull of energy that wished to envoke him-- It came from the quiet girl. While he expected an attack from one of the others, he'd have underestimated her silence for meekness. Foolish. But he had a window here, she had to keep her force in use to mask her presence, and defend her own mind from the torment his comrades wreaked upon her while he had the luxury of remaining at ease, and letting his own energy collect for an upcoming fight. The pull would intersect with his barrier, creating a slightly visible ball of energy. With an instant flick of the wrist, he'd send the blast back towards her, urging it into a push in defense. He wasn't here to fight, and he wasn't prepared to fight, but if he could simply get the time to think of a plan he'd draw a card in his favor. If the rebuttal would be successful, he'd send the woman backwards with medium force, giving him time to withdraw his hilt from his hip and ignite it. The blade would hiss out a flawless red formation, and he'd ease his feet into a fighting stance, a balanced gesture as he'd watch for her reaction, eyes flitting slightly to the other combat happening feet away from him. His hands would grip tightly around his blade, unsure of the attack to ensue.His freehand would train quickly towards his blaster, throwing back his shouldercloak, his palm would wrap around the cold metal of the pistol and he'd squeeze off two shots towards the back of Shae. He was unable to aim much but the path was clear from where he stood, and the spare glance he'd shoot before firing would offer him some accuracy. He'd shift his full stare back towards the attacking Jedi...

1. Due to the timing of my attacks, if Maro is reacting after the sound of the blaster firing, he would be very hard pressed to get a defense up in time to prevent the pull, as the timing of the pull is fractions of a second after the blaster fires.
   
   
2. I'm not entirely sure a kinetic shield would prevent Maro from being affected by the force pull, seeing as a pull, unlike a push, would originate on Maro, as opposed to a push which would originate from Kalii.
   
   
3. So due to the new rules, Kalii would have had to drop hiding her presence in order to shield against the mental attack, likewise, in order to launch her force pull she would have to drop the mental shielding, which wouldnt be much of a problem because by that time Sov’s character would be hit by Cassus force push, negating his mental attack if he was still maintaining it.
   
   
4. Even if the shield worked to prevent the force pull, i do not believe it would absorb the energy of the pull for Maro to utilize at will.
   
   
5. So though i feel this would be covered by the previous point, i would like to point out that Maro wouldnt be able to just flick the energy back and immediately turn it into a force push. Even if he was able to absorb the energy with the shield he just summoned, he would then have to focus again to launch a force push.
   
   
6. I would say the shots are unlikely to hit, but im sure you already know that.