The Treaty of Agamar OOC

[Sreeya]

@Internecion there are a couple points about your post. First, you don't have any grenades listed on your profile. I know that your armor was under review, but you were also told that generic things like lightsabers, standard armor, etc. is fine. I don't see flash grenades specifically listed on the profile either. At this rate, you can pretty much invent whatever you want in the fight and pull out weapons to your heart's content. Furthermore, something like this:

The cloak, as it is slashed apart, falling in the same downward direction over the grenade - shielding it from view. The cloak would be in tatters, once the flash grenade detonated it would by no means also cover the flash itself - merely in the midst of fast moving combat, it would be less likely to see the grenade falling under the cloak, as it had transpired beneath the cloak's fold to begin with

All of that is entirely too convenient and circumstantial. You just happen to pull out the wrong grenade which just happens to be a flash grenade (something to throw us off but not harm you in the process, whereas a different grenade would take you down as well), which happens to fall underneath your cloak? This is a bit much. The other points in your post seem okay so far, but the grenade bit is definitely a bit too convenient and farfetched. If you had even mentioned flash grenade somewhere else, that might have worked too (maybe I missed it, but not seeing it any replies).

The second point is that you're writing as if your attacks have already hit. In PVP you should only write in terms of 'if the attack lands, it would do ____'. You are writing impact for us, and that's incorrect. We get to decide what happens with the impact to our own characters. You can only write as far as what you're aiming for/what you're trying to do.

EDIT: misread your post! I thought you attacked us.

 

[Soverin]

The Sith would not be able to respond in time to defend against the powerful Force push which would pick Mors up off his feet and sling him back into the transparisteel window with enough Force to shatter it and send him through it. No doubt it would feel like getting hit by a sudden wrecking ball of Force, the Force roiling as it threw him into and then through the window.

Your man seems to be doing the same, Sreeya. I already accepted the hit so I won't linger on it, but I privately PMed Ral about wording his attacks as attempts and the reply I got was, "I do not need to word it as an attempt, this is actually a common form of writing in PvP. It's simply describing what will happen should the attack succeed." I don't know if the above is truly a common form of PVP here, but where I come from thats called autoing, and makes for much slower and blockier PvP thats decided by OOC arguing as opposed to actual IC.

 

[Eccles]

. It's simply describing what will happen should the attack succeed."

Should the attack succeed.

Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't say it will hit, or that what happens after the hit is written in stone. He's free to write the intended effect of his attack, if only to ensure clearity of what he's trying to accomplish. "Slash from left to right that should decapitate" is effectively the same as "attempts to decapitate by slashing from left to right"

 

[Internecion]

And I thought generic equipment was allowed to use regardless even if not listed, especially something as small as a three or 2 inch grenade? I actually deleted my whole gear section out of my profile, in order to already conform to the rules here. If I've overlooked YET another rule with it needing to be displayed on my profile, can't I just go and add -flash grenade- to my profile and can we just continue with the thread?

 

[Sreeya]

Generic gear is allowed for use as long as it's in the profile (meaning it can go in the profile without needing to be reviewed). Otherwise like I said, you can whip out an entire arsenal of things without any limit. That'd be super cheap.

 

[Internecion]

You care if I just add -flash grenade- to my profile really quick? Otherwise I'm literally jus sliding across a table. I would like some form of counter in my post...

And I totally dissagree with what your saying with the grenade. He reaching for his grenade clips, it would make sense with the movement he'd fumble. In fact, i need to reread - but he was reaching for the grenade as his back would be to them. The force push from Cassus came during that time - hence his movement - and thus obviously abandoning any mind to throw a thermal detonator. For him to fumble on the grenade clips would only make sense, as I would still need to touch on the previous action of him going for the thermal detontor. And looking at the timing of my post, he would be thus abandoning any aim to throw the TD upon sensing the force action from Cassus, and as such need to do be doing something with his left hand - which could very well have been at his grenade clips at that point.

Speaking of which, I didn't lst any thermal detonators on my profile either. If this profile listing is the case, that shouldn't have happened either. And this post has been going on for a while, why hadn't anyone said anything about the TD several posts ago?

 

[Sreeya]

And I totally dissagree with what your saying with the grenade. He reaching for his grenade clips, it would make sense with the movement he'd fumble. In fact, i need to reread - but he was reaching for the grenade as hit back would be to them. The force push from Cassus came during that time, giving plenty of time for that to happen.

Speaking of which, I didn't lst any thermal detonators on my profile either. If this profile listing is the case, that shouldn't have happened either.

The push is happening as Shae is already on him. The fumble makes sense, the convenience of it being a flash grenade doesn't. Eh? I thought you had grenades listed on your profile before you deleted the section entirely. But if you didn't, then no, the dets would also have to go as well.

Tbh I think I'm okay if you add flash grenade back in. But please refrain from whipping out more random stuff out of the blue lol. Keep in mind also, you linked to flash grenade, not flash bang, so this only temporarily blinds. It does not have a concussive blast to go with it. So really the only thing that would do is allow you to be out of reach in time but not really physically harm anyone. I hope you're aware of this, as this is something we won't be okay with you amending to change. But yeah, we can leave the flash in.

We will resume posting now.

 

[Tsunami]

You care if I just add -flash grenade- to my profile really quick? Otherwise I'm literally jus sliding across a table. I would like some form of counter in my post...

I'm going to enter here as I have been watching and really, what are you going to learn from that? Adding a flash to your kit because mid way through a thread because it suits the situation your faced with. What if you managed to disarm one of your opponents, and they randomly added a lightsaber to their belt, because they needed one? You'd not want to let it slide.

It's not my call as i am nor partaking, but this thread is getting slightly nuts now IMO.

 

[Internecion]

@Sreeya No I'm aware it's just a flash band, thanks for reminding me of that.

And I'll refrain from anything else. I'm going to edit my profile in the character template section to more then just a single TD and flash bang.

-BUT- for this RP my character only has that one flash band -which he already used as of now- and the thermal detonator. As i completely agree not pulling things out of your arse, as it's quite unfair; I agree with you totally on that one. Thanks for letting me slide, I honestly was thinking sliding across a table and still getting my armor slashed to pieces would be an uneventful post, without some form of evasion or counter action.

-OH, and the force push happening when she's already on him. That'd be impossible, for them both to get to him and slash in close to unison times - even if your character slightly ahead of Cassus. I'm not talking a huge span of time here - but Inter would have a heart beat's moment to put himself out of death's impending wrath like that, if Sreeya meant to coordinate her attack with Cassus' like I thought I had read.

 

[Internecion]

Only one thing @Sreeya - with the flash grenade effecting your character's vision, looking at the timing of this I don't see her vision coming back before the moments it would take Sov to get to his own blaster; I really don't see her seeing to get there first, even if he had been concussioned. I'd thing her vision would in the least be effected to alter that action - at least to one posting order enough to see a blaster on the floor across the room.

-And also considering Sov was put out for his one round of posting last round, I think? Anyone pls correct me if that's wrong, I think that's how that unfolded.

 

[Soverin]

Its not going to hit, @Internecion. I have a post prepared. All good, mate.

 

[Sreeya]

Guys. Sov was supposed to be knocked out for this round. KNOCKED OUT. He agreed to this. By that definition he shouldn't even be able to crawl in the last post. He said one thing in the ooc and wrote something else in the IC. We let it slide to be generous.

However there is zero chance of Sov doing anything to stop the blow from Shae without being cheap. I don't wanna waste more time and think we simply need to have admins involved at this point. With all the leeways and free passes given, you guys are seriously abusing it.

 

[Internecion]

That - I think is a little unfair of you to say to be honest, implying we're abusing anything for our benefit isn't very accurate - we're new players trying to get acclimated in a new setting of RPing. The admins overlooking any of this isn't a bad thing at all, and I don't think it should be put out like that. You let me slide on the grenade, I appreciate that. But on the terms of us being given free passages or leeways, I honestly don't know what your talking about. My character's force use was handicapped, from the forum master here looking at my post and giving me an idividual ruling on how I'd be effected by this.

You guys called Sov on his mistake, he edited it and was out his last post.

If I misinterpreted that, as he was pretty useless last post - he wrote being effect, etc. etc. in his last post. But if I mistook that as it should have been this post, my mistake. But to imply we I'm abusing anything is unfair yo, I'm trying to be aware of the details and reality of this RP - especially given how much OOC has already come with it. It's called refining your style of write and play, to fit a new environment. We are new, and this is our first real thread on here - or at least mine. So .. abuse? Dang I really didn't expect to have that thown at me, hence this lengthy note on it. I don't want me efforts to be misinterpreted, especially after all the mistakes that have already needed to be remedied - can you blame me for wanting to me thorough?

 

[Soverin]

I agreed to one round out. In Mors last action he was knocked out. He made no combat action. Does that not fairly count as his knock out? like I'm honestly not trying to extend this out or make a big deal of it.

 

[Sreeya]

Being knocked out means you're out. It doesn't mean you're doing something less useful. It means you're unconscious or dazed and just plain out. You're certainly not put together enough to spot your blaster and crawl to it in the SAME post you were knocked out/concussed in. Being out for a turn means he would be able to do that action his NEXT reply. His next reply would be him waking up, going to grab his weapon and potentially firing.

Also, a simple flash which was partially covered by a cloak won't delay Shae for an entire turn in terms of getting to Mors and knocking him out. I think you guys are forgetting that my attack is from my LAST turn my latest post consists of whatever I did to Mors. So the same turn where he is knocked out is the same where she gets to him.

The comment wasn't pointed specifically at you. But on our side you can imagine it feels like we're having to give freebies to everyone because of the "I'm new" argument. Our comrpomise was that we don't go for the kill here.

 

[Internecion]

LAst thing I'm saying - @Sreeya as to not get frusterated or spent with the "im new" arguement, maybe realize it's not an argument - its us genuinely trying to figure out what our characters can do? Maybe we can contact each other on here, or over PM - and the posts that are wrong can be fixed and edited as we go - instead of having this overbearing feeling as if any post we do that are wrong will result in our character's death? Of course it's a duel, in a melee lightsaber situation a mistake could and should result on character death - I'm not saying that. But rather then get frusterated feelig like you guys are giving out freebies, then I propose we just fix the posts that need to be fixed and carry on, rather then casting the agenda like we will be held to each and every wrong post, and thus have to sacrifice our character's legal action that we could do because of a mistake, thus also making us totally sacrifice a turn and end up in a vulnerable position for your next posts. And go for the kill on Sov? I'm sorry but the force push wouldn't have killed him, that's not a freebie.

 

[Sreeya]

Nobody said the force push would have killed him. The freebie was him not being knocked out and crawling instead. Once again, verify with an admin if you must.

 

[Tsunami]

As an outsider, there is a huge amount of issues.

Firstly, regardless of the misunderstanding of the rules that has obviously occurred here, there has been a crazy number of issues with the thread. I'm sure i don't have to remind people about the rules that have been broken but for the purpose of this i'll list some of them;

1) Excessive/Improper use of the force.
2) Use of non-approved tech
3) The use of non-listed equipment.
4) Agreeing to OCC edits, but not implementing in the agreed state IC wise.

Joining the open thread left you guys prime to be attacked by the opposing side, its something that should have been taken into account when starting the thread and IMO the opposition has been more than fair with allowing you breathing room that they might not have done in a more serious thread. I consider myself fairly laid back, but even i wouldn't randomly give someone the chance to pull a flash grenade out of there arse, then sit back while the person who was helped has the audacity to complain about a thing they shouldn't have in the first place.

Everyone can sympathise that these are characters that you are attached to. That you don't want to lose and from being in the Sith Faction skype the other day in which an admin helped out with the OCC altercation going on there, he could totally see it from both points of view.

This thread is only going to go one way, scraping the barrel for any glimmer of hope that characters might make it out of this is way passed. I mean you guys allowed the Jedi to get the jump on you by attacking NPC's for fluff. As great as that might read, you also have to accept the consequences of that.

There is now WELL over double the OCC posts as there are to IC threads and at this point I don't know how any party can be enjoying themselves. There has also been another member of the site comment on what has been happening. Therefore i would move for an Admin to step in as it is clear that it can't be resolved.

I would also like to clarify my opinion, by stating that the Jedi in this thread have granted you numerous leniencies since they have joined. To then use the fact they have clearly tried to help you by explaining things against them in attempt to point score has kind of agitated me. I am referencing post #42, and if you did not mean it that way, who knows however it seemed like a fairly pointless dig.

 

[Internecion]

@Tsunami You guys realize I had Brandon Rhea look over my use of the Force in the previous posts, and my last post reflected the ruling he personally gave me on it, right? Thus, thats my response to any "over use of the Force" my character may have used. If that's directed to anyone else - well I'm must going to defend myself in this case.

-The flash grenade I would have gladly let go - they went along with it. HONESTLY if theres an issue ppl need to bring it up to me, and I'll get rid of the post. Not hold it agaisnt me later.

-As far as the Jedi giving leniencies since they joined, and me trying to get a point score agitating you Tsunami - all I'm going to say to that is ... what the heck, man? How else am I supposed to learn practical application of the rules, if things are frowned upon being explained to new members, and then being revised by said new members? That's insane, to take it as if I'm doing it in spite of getting favored results IC. And honestly I find it kind of insulting. I clearly hope there is a big misinterpretation from what I'm projecting, or what your getting out of any of this.

-And honestly, altercation? The only thing I made a serious comment with in the Sith Chat, was what resulted with Brandon looking over my posts regarding Inter's force use. And I wouldn't call that an altercation, I'd call that me seeking an admin ruling.

 

[Soverin]

I'm not using the newbie argument. I'm genuinely not trying to make unnecessary arguments or take digs at people. I have no reason to come to your forum and start fights. I'll comply and take the KO --- Arclight is next in the (kinda?) post order, and then I'll connect the KO.