War on Tython: Locked Within OOC

[Xorism]

@Wit the last sentence of the first quoted post "While moving forward on the left-hand side of the corridor (Sith perspective) Xornoth would use his lightsaber to intercept any returned fire." clearly shows the intent does it not?

The earlier timeline that I posted and Loco agreed with had Leto firing first but also Xornoth firing after which Leto did not defend against except by saying that he would duck back to cover if shot at. I'm not disputing Leto would fire first since his positioning would allow it, however, I specifically entered the corridor posting that I would be holding the lightsaber to intercept blaster fire.

@Loco report is fine by me, I understand what you're saying about the push (as I immediately thought of that gif) but the reference I gave is also supposed to be canon so I am not sure which the admin will use for ruling although if yours, I'll happily edit.

 

[Wit]

@Xorism that's the thing, you didn't enter the corridor stating you would be defending. You enter stating "he held his lightsaber in his right hand". Only in the line you have mentioned above do you state that you would start defending and that happens after you enter.

You enter -> you notice the Jedi -> you begin walking down the corridor.

It is at the third step that you mentioned defending after you are inside the corridor and walking towards the Jedi. My contention was that you were not prepqred for a defense while crossing the doorway.

But let's wait for the report, we'll roll with what comes from that.

 

[Clayton]

A report has been raised on a number of issues, which (to my great appreciation) have been broken down nicely considering we have a tight timeline of events between four people posting. I'll answer the questions as they were posed since it gives a good explanation of capabilities at this level.


1) Can Xornoth "resist" a Force push as described AND still move forward into the hall?

Using the method described, and considering Fennex is focusing on two targets, yes, this is possible - with limitations explained below.

2) Dependent on the answer to number one- Is Xornoth also able to reflect bolts back at Leto AND fire accurate shots of his own at the same time?

No. Xornoth is attempting a very precise blaster bolt deflection as a target who is mostly behind cover. Even for a level 3 that is a delicate act that would take dedicated focus, which is just being used on fighting the TK attack. Likewise, since Kornoth is defending against the incoming shots too, his accuracy will suffer against a target in cover. Overall the quality of these actions are going to suffer. See #4 for details.

3) Given that our attacks are timed when Kano and Xornoth are shoulder to shoulder, and given that Xornoth's assistance to Kano was edited out, is Kano also able to fully resist the push despite the level difference between Fen and Kano?

Yes. The attack is split between two people. Kano is devoted his entire post to defending against the attack. Since he's lower level he wouldn't be able to do the stuff Xornoth is trying to do, but he isn't so that's a moot point.

4) Dependent on all of the above, if either Force Push is successful, what happens to Xornoth and Kano?

Neither push is successful, HOWEVER, because Xornoth is attempting a lot at the same time in the face of a lot of firepower (metaphysical and physical) he is going to take a blaster bolt shot.

Ruling final, etc.

@Loco @Wit @Versok @Xorism

 

[Xorism]

@Wit In your previous post, you specifically mentioned that Leto would immediately stop what he was doing if he was fired upon, not that he would retreat if the shots hit him but you seem to have done a 180 on this with your new post and not even moved?

 

[Wit]

@Wit In your previous post, you specifically mentioned that Leto would immediately stop what he was doing if he was fired upon, not that he would retreat if the shots hit him but you seem to have done a 180 on this with your new post and not even moved?

Oh, I thought I thought I had him peak back out once the shots stopped. Was posting under a time crunch so missed putting that in. Let me get back home and I'll edit it in!

 

[Xorism]

Oh, I thought I thought I had him peak back out once the shots stopped. Was posting under a time crunch so missed putting that in. Let me get back home and I'll edit it in!

Sure thing.

 

[Wit]

Really sorry for the late fix guys, but made the edits! @Xorism @Versok @Loco

 

[Versok]

Would like to be granted some extra time because I will probably not be able to post until tomorrow late because of real life.
Xorism might also need it because of timezone differences

@Phoenix

 

[Versok]

Tagging you three so you are aware
@Xorism @Wit @Loco

 

[Xorism]

@Loco @Wit @Versok

So regarding the lightning attack, Fennex has written that the return of the force lightning was practically instantly which leads to two conclusions - 1. This would interrupt Xornoth's post. 2. Leto's post has him move back into cover and back out again to see Xornoth start his lightning attack creating a second interruption point.

Is this how you intended it?

The force lightning attack was written to occur immediately after Leto ducked into cover, so essentially Leto would have to duck into cover and return with superhuman speed to recognize the threat before the lightning left Xornoth's fingers? According to Fennex's post - Xornoth was able to move at most a few meters, so 1-3 strides at most however then that would throw the timing off somewhat.

So either the lightning attack happened 1-3 seconds after Leto ducked into cover which would give him time to return and shoot (but exposing himself before Xornoth attacked) or the lightning attack (and Fennex's return attack) happen before Leto is able to re-enter the corridor.

Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Wit]

The way I read things was that Leto fires six shots and one of those shots hits you while you try to deflect the rest. The moment one of the shots flies back towards Leto he ducks behind cover. Now even if it was the first shot that was deflected back then that's around a ~2second return trip that gives Leto to fire off the remaining shots before he ducks. But there were still the remaining shots for you to deflect back and that buys around a second or so after Leto ducks. Once the last shot is deflected Leto peeks back out and shoots again. Basically between Leto ducking behind the wall, and Xornoth firing lightning, there was the time period where Xornoth was deflecting the other shots, which is the time Leto used to duck behind the wall and come back.

I think that lines up with your timing as well, right @Loco? That Leto's shots and Fennex's lightning return attack are reaching Xornoth simultaneously.

@Xorism @Versok

 

[Xorism]

@Wit

As per the admin ruling my shots missed a stationary target as I was too busy to aim, but I still think your timing is off. The lightning attack would occur as Leto left the line of sight and I assume would travel much faster than 30m/s unless I'm wrong. I would say that Leto could return into the corridor to fire after Fennex's attack land, but not before I was able to launch it lol.

 

[Wit]

@Xorism, Leto fires right after/as Xornoth is firing his lightning, not before. The attack lands as Fennex's returning attack hits. I'll let @Loco chime in if he thinks otherwise but I don't think my timing is off. The ruling only stated that your shots missed, not what Leto was doing at the time. So him ducking back as the first shot is returned is in line with my previous post and coming out once the shots stop should allow him to catch Xornoth firing his lightning and fire at him.

 

[Loco]

Sorry guys, I'm working very late so I just skimmed the discussion very quickly.

But, yeah, I'm not really seeing the conflict here. Leto ducks back in to make sure he doesn't catch a blaster bolt and then immediately pops back out to keep up fire. Considering the lightning attack is held for at least half a second, as described, and that Xor would have to turn his attention and hurl the attack, it seems like Leto would have plenty of time to do what's described, since he's been focused on Xor as a target since you entered. It's nothing complicated or focus intensive, or anything that takes much time to complete. Xors lightning is held for at least a half second, which by itself is enough more than enough time to lean back out of cover.

That's my take at least. I dont have a ton of time to break down the IC thread for exact wording that might be relevant.

 

[Xorism]

@Wit @Loco

I'll figure out something I guess, we're still gunna need that extension (already reported versok's earlier post)

 

[Sreeya]

Both @Xorism and @Versok will not get individual extensions. As per new pvp rules, each team posts on a 48 hour basis. This pvp was started after those rules were in place. An extension will be granted for 24 hours from now, meaning both Sith players need to post by 12:24 AM US EST time tomorrow October 23rd.

@Wit @Loco

 

[Loco]

Hey @Xorism, I just wanted to clarify that you dont have the actual lightning coming back at you- it was converted into energy to fuel/overcharge the Force blast, so it's just all TK.

 

[Wit]

Also @Xorism, Leto's shots would reach Xornoth at the same time as the force attack from Fennex. So are you saying that you use the barrier to defend against Fennex's attack and the lightsaber to deflect the bolts at the same time? Or are you assuming the blaster bolts come after, because I mention in my post that they would land at the same time.

 

[Xorism]

@Wit at the same time is fine because I'm pretty badass but let's wait to see Kano's post

 

[Versok]

I have edited my post, now the flames were created from the heat Leto's blaster shot irradiated instead of out of nothing, justifying the creation of these flames near Leto even though Kano is far from him
@Loco @Wit @Xorism