ATTN: Faction Reviews and Battle Freeze

[Orphen]

Bonding with teammates is part of the fun too. There's nothing better than back to backing against people, covering each other, and blocking each other. Etc Etc.

You obviously havn't roleplayed with me, and it shows.

So, on the contrary...

If imprisonment and death are the only things things result in for you, then I see where your priorities are my friend...

 

[Xyrael]

Well, battles give the sensation that the storyline is progressing, that one side is winning/losing, etc. It changes the motivations of character, and things like that. Don't get me wrong, though, I whole heartedly agree that people need to get on with their character development and screw the time consuming battle system. I only wish that it were possible to RP completely without such battles, but alas it is not. And without a "winner" and a "loser" in the bigger scheme of things, some people will never be sure where their character fits into the puzzle or makes an impact.

Though, you don't see me balking at the opportunity to RP training and duels with the Sith despite the battle freeze without having to worry about my character dying because of some strange mishap in space! I'm actively RP'ing at the moment, and really enjoy several of the threads I'm in!

 

[Dmitri]

Bonding with teammates is part of the fun too. There's nothing better than back to backing against people, covering each other, and blocking each other. Etc Etc.

You obviously havn't roleplayed with me, and it shows.

So, on the contrary...

If imprisonment and death are the only things things result in for you, then I see where your priorities are my friend...

No, I'm going by past experience. With the exception of battles like Salecaumi where people gave up and it was decided OOCly the fate of the battle, battles generally end with one side's members dying or being captured. It's not priorities, its an observation.

And if you're desperate for combat, there's a thing called the Dueling Ring. Fight someone and form a rivalry. Do a two vs. two, so you can do teamwork. There's other ways of combat. Hell, you could even ask the admins if they'd be willing to let people do small skirmishes at places, as long as they're not full-blown invasions (like Tanaab or Sarka).

Well, battles give the sensation that the storyline is progressing, that one side is winning/losing, etc. It changes the motivations of character, and things like that. Don't get me wrong, though, I whole heartedly agree that people need to get on with their character development and screw the time consuming battle system. I only wish that it were possible to RP completely without such battles, but alas it is not. And without a "winner" and a "loser" in the bigger scheme of things, some people will never be sure where their character fits into the puzzle or makes an impact.

Though, you don't see me balking at the opportunity to RP training and duels with the Sith despite the battle freeze without having to worry about my character dying because of some strange mishap in space! I'm actively RP'ing at the moment, and really enjoy several of the threads I'm in!

Yes, battles help show who is winning or not, but think about this: Preparation helps win battles. The Sith and Chiss have done well because of the preparation they put behind their operations. Other sides should try that to. Thinking about invading some Imperial planets? Instead of mopping about how much longer until the planets can be attacked, this time should be used to organize and prepare for battle. You're given a chance right now to get ready for an attack, rather than constantly reacting to each time the Sith attack because the Jedi can't decide where to attack.

I do agree that the Battle Freeze is taking a long time, but the Faction Review was needed. Look how badly disorganization in the Mandalorians turned out. They were originally planned to be nemeses of the Chiss and now a good chunk of them are coming over to the Chiss and Sith. It is needed.

However, I think it might have been better if they were done in chunks. Main factions, then battle rules, then Indies. It would probably have been helpful if a team had been formed to help the admins and FLs. Now, that's not something fully on the admins' fault. Everyone can help. The FLs have a lot to do. Does that mean everyone should gang up on them and tell them to hurry? No. If people want this to end quicker, stop mopping and volunteer to help FLs with their work.

 

[Zach]

Ok, can we stop this pointless argument? I have a headache, but I feel I should give some input on this, as one of the FLs.

Scuse me, but you're not the one behind my laptop, with a life, job, and busting my ass to fix my car after breaking the front axel. Insurance won't cover it because I didn't hit the junked out civilian in the road. Since no one got hurt, and my car was the only one damaged, I'm on my own. The guy even confessed to the cop that showed up. So quit your bitching about a long period of time - trust me, finance is the same way.


As for activity and progress...
Team's been working hard, and the Chiss is all but done. We're awaiting final approval.

Spoiler: Aside from all of the OOC work with writeups, reviews, edits, and organization, here's a list of IC events the Ascendancy has done progressively

Taking Rakata Prime and Lwhekk
Expansion of Interest

Established surveillance outpost in neutral territory
Outpost on Farana

Salvaged Ship Graveyards for resources and materials
Service. Fealty. Fidelity.

Diplomatic Negotiations with Rattatak
Negotiations with Rattatak

Diplomatic Negotiation with Bunduki
An Offer of Peace, to Common Interests

Diplomatic Negotiations with Firrerre
The Hand that Feeds

Taking Red Nebula
this thread

Defensive forces placed at Outer Expansionary Regions (you can see the dissection of regions in the Chiss Territories Sticky); Implementation of Minefield
Fortifications

Signed full contract with Holocaustic Labs LTD
Meetings Of The Business Type

The IC review of new designs for the military, including deal with Holocaustic Labs LTD
The Implementation of Technology

Fortifying the Inner World Colonization and Capital World territories (In progress)
The Protection and Defense of Inner Colonies and Capital Worlds

Continuation of Imperial knight status within Chiss custody
What to Do, What to Do...

Good 'nuff? Let the FL's take their time finishing their edits. I'd rather only go through this once, rather than rush through it for another round of edits.

EDIT:

If people want this to end quicker, stop mopping and volunteer to help FLs with their work.

I had similar thoughts when I was reading through the thread - before it became tl;dr. People want things to hurry along, ask your respective leaders if there's anything you can do to help. I know for a fact the Chiss wouldn't be where they are now if it wasn't for the OOC team and members volunteering. It's a group effort, as a community. Just because some details aren't revealed doesn't mean you're out of the loop or halted from RPing. If you think there's nothing to be done, there's always something to be done. An RP's limitation is the mind - if it's beneficial to the faction, coordinate it through the leadership (as I call it, the OOC Team), and enact it together, if it's worth the time and effort.

 

[Matt]

Zach gets a thumbs up from me. If you. Luke mention how handsome the admin dealing with you is too that would be nice....

 

[Orphen]

Wow, why do i feel like i just got my head chewed off, spat out, rolled around a bit then curb stomped by a hobnail boot into a rob zombie music video? Considering I just get blown off, over, and over, and over again. Whenever i raise my hand to help, which i have done in multiple occasions, multiple ooc threads, trying to help wherever i can. I've done nothing but support the admin team other than not know what's going wrong. As well as Faction leaders who i have spoken with.

Hell, i even offered TWICE in this thread alone to help or co-operate. In the first two pages! Like... i was the 'first' to freaking offer. Page 2, post 16. Check it!

GG

No RE

 

[Zach]

The admin team is very handsome :CStern
(:D)

(EDIT: My admin is very handsome. Misread your comment at first, lol.)


Nite, I wasn't really referring to you in most of that post. You've shown yourself to be eager and willing to be productive, but the situations don't always call for the public view. Some pertains to the indi factions like your dragons, some to the Main factions, but the admins don't even tell the FLs everything. Besides the OOC, even our factions have had dealings. I couldn't find the thread for your meeting with Alex, but I do have it listed in the Chiss's diplomatic topics. Trust me, you're not unheard. Your motivated, but limited, progression has not gone unnoticed.

EDIT: That last line means that there's other work to be done, but not always an open thing for full discussion.

 

[Orphen]

okay, thank you...

Kinda needed to hear something like that after a long string of offers and no answers, i could link you to said thread if you wanted. I still have it bookmarked so it would be no trouble whatsoever. ^.^

 

[Zach]

Actually yeah, I'd appreciate it if you could PM or VM it to me. I don't think I subscribed when it started, stupidly on my part.

 

[Xyrael]

I've already apparently wasted an undue amount of effort trying to be diplomatic and unoffensive in the previous posts to have those efforts simply dismissed. So, I'm glad someone can express negative feedback, be attacked for doing so, everyone claps their hands for the person doing their reprisal, and none of the points raised were legitimately addressed by anyone but Ender, Weiss and Zach (albeit also after a reprimand). It's exactly how successful contractors, game developers, and kindergarden teachers treat the people who enjoy the products being developed.

A progress report, like "I need to do a,b,c,d,e,f, I'm almost done with a,b,c, d and e are next, and f will take some time." Wow. Took a whole damn 2 minutes to type, I offended no one, and suddenly all points raised were addressed, and I responded civilly and not with knee-jerk reactions that would get me fired at my 'real life job' or reprimanded at 'school'. Real life, yeah, it exists. I have it too. I'm not some sadistic bastard insulting you and saying you're not doing it fast enough, sacrifice RL time to get things done (if I did, please quote where I said so)

In fact, Claudius' initial response was a demeaning retort that amounted to "so you're saying nothing at all" Even a "At this rate it'll be done by the end of April" would've been a better response.

 

[Zach]

stuff

Headache. Tired. Need sleep before overnight shift today. Posting this to show that I acknowledge what you are saying, but lack the energy to properly reply. If you wish to carry on a discussion about the performance of FLs, try bringing it up to them in PMs first, rather than making it a public debate - again. Not to say you did it before, but that this thread has only turned into a debate since the beginning.

I disagree with a lot of your logic. Besides, that's effectively what I did in the spoiler. Feel free to read it again, as there's a long list of threads that have either been completed or are in progress. That's JUST IC threads. All the writeups that have been submitted are available to the public - you're only a click away from the Chiss boards.

As far as I'm concerned, all the -relevant- issues were addressed. Anyone else that wants to continue discussing it in this thread will do so without my input. Done arguing with people that can't be pleased. If anyone wishes to continue debating this, feel free to PM me, but I won't have any further part in this public discussion thread.

 

[Master Maverick]

I just want to say that, in my opinion, his comment was handled very poorly. You're going to tell me to 'take it to PMs then', but it belongs here because it happened in this thread. Just because it doesn't have 'anything to do with the announcement itself' means little to nothing.

I'm actually quite disappointed in the reactions and responses... to be quite honest.

Even so, I agree with Xyrael; simply that people are leaving because this is taking so long. Yes, there is still plenty to do, but that's irrelevant to his comment; that people are leaving because the main story arc of this forum isn't taking place at this time. I'm well aware that it's almost done and I honestly don't even care that this took place cause it didn't effect me in the slightest. Also, I find it quite presumptuous that someone would think that Xyrael would say something without some factual information and that he's basing it off assumptions. Anyone really, but I think Xyrael isn't just making stuff up.

 

[Horizon]

However, I think it might have been better if they were done in chunks. Main factions, then battle rules, then Indies. It would probably have been helpful if a team had been formed to help the admins and FLs. Now, that's not something fully on the admins' fault. Everyone can help. The FLs have a lot to do. Does that mean everyone should gang up on them and tell them to hurry? No. If people want this to end quicker, stop mopping and volunteer to help FLs with their work.

Sometimes I wish you read your posts.

Also, I'm rather impressed with your response, Maverick.

Bravo.

 

[Zach]

Continued the discussions through VMs. I would like to clarify something about my last post. I'm not refusing to reply in this thread anymore - I was saying I didn't want to continue that specific conversation in this thread, but it could be brought to me in a PM. Anything that pertains to the original purpose of this thread, I can address, but this isn't meant to be a debate.

Also, I apologize if I'm coming off as aggressive. I don't intend for any offense.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Woah nelly, this conversation has gone horribly wrong on all levels. I have to head out in a minute for a little bit, but when I get back I’ll give it another read and respond to it.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

OK, so, I'm not going to be able to say much tonight since I got in later than expected and I'm pretty beat, but I do want to say right now that I apologize for how the communication in this thread was handled today. It wasn't right , it was handled poorly, and I will make sure it doesn't happen again.

Expect more from me tomorrow.

 

[Black Noise]

Expect more from me tomorrow.

Not to be too pushy, but it is tomorrow...
:CStern

 

[Orphen]

YO BN, you know me, I appreciate a good joke as much as the next guy, REALLY, neither the time nor place for that eh. No doubt he's been busy and will get to this as soon as he can, and that comment was pretty snide and smarmy, you know it, I know it, do lets look past it. Because that's just baiting for a negative response...

 

[Black Noise]

YO BN, you know me, I appreciate a good joke as much as the next guy, REALLY, neither the time nor place for that eh. No doubt he's been busy and will get to this as soon as he can, and that comment was pretty snide and smarmy, you know it, I know it, do lets look past it. Because that's just baiting for a negative response...

...
You're right, sorry. I am just getting a little annoyed by now, but I suppose we all are.

Sorry Bac, know you're trying your best mate.

 

[Xyrael]

My initial comment actually wasn't out of annoyance. When SoloWing left because of OOC bickering and perceived metagaming, a lot of people went "What could we have done to make this a better environment?" I feel at least some of that OOC bickering was driven by the freeze, and the last thing I want is people to announce their leave from the forum because of the freeze itself, because then the FL's will feel guilty they didn't, somehow, do their part.

My followup comments were trying to point out the root at that discontent, which is probably the lack of knowing how far along the bigger picture is. I know there are checklists, and I know it probably involves secret stuff us lay people shouldn't get involved in, but letting us get a feel for how much longer they might take is good. I generally feel each FL does a good job of communicating their factions progress to their faction members, but for someone that doesn't read every single thread it may be difficult for someone who focuses on, say, Jedi threads to find out how far along the Sith are.

Once the first major faction is officially cleared, though, I'm sure everyone will feel like this is nearly over and be all hyped and excited to get the main story arc started again. Which is important, because a lot of people designed their characters to develop with the main arc, and not through social threads etc. Hopefully that was clear about what I meant, getting past all the pages of.. stuff. I'd like to keep this thread constructive, though, and not turn it into a cesspit of accusations of discontent.