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10/10 = Perfection.
18/10 = Utterly redundant.

So you are saying here, that this... thing, which has incredibly overpowered abilities which is utterly unheard of in both Canon and Fanon in Star Wars lore, is PERFECT in damn near everything he does? He NEVER misses? He NEVER does ANY mistake? He ALWAYS manages to cure ANY disease or injury he treats with First Aid? He is NEVER detected when he tries to be sneaky? He can lift ANYTHING? He's faster than the Flash/Superman?

And, as I have said to you before: Nobody has zero charisma or zero distinguishing marks. Even in this "Demon" mode. Isn't he supposed to be huge and terrifying? That counts as charisma. Charisma is basically a "catch-all" term here, determining how much you can influence another into doing your bidding. Be it through charm, coercion, or intimidating. And he has plenty of distinguishing marks from what I can see on the image alone. He has hard eyes. Stubbled cheeks. Strong facial features.
 

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10/10 = Perfection.
18/10 = Utterly redundant.

So you are saying here, that this... thing, which has incredibly overpowered abilities which is utterly unheard of in both Canon and Fanon in Star Wars lore, is PERFECT in damn near everything he does? He NEVER misses? He NEVER does ANY mistake? He ALWAYS manages to cure ANY disease or injury he treats with First Aid? He is NEVER detected when he tries to be sneaky? He can lift ANYTHING? He's faster than the Flash/Superman?

And, as I have said to you before: Nobody has zero charisma or zero distinguishing marks. Even in this "Demon" mode. Isn't he supposed to be huge and terrifying? That counts as charisma. Charisma is basically a "catch-all" term here, determining how much you can influence another into doing your bidding. Be it through charm, coercion, or intimidating. And he has plenty of distinguishing marks from what I can see on the image alone. He has hard eyes. Stubbled cheeks. Strong facial features.

His not perfect, he can still die, his not faster the Superman(SUper man runs at the speed of sound = 1,100 Feet per second) He can get a disease, he can get injuryed, He can get detected, he does make mistakes. You seem to not realize that his not God and still can be killed. That's what you fail to realize. It just takes more hits to kill him then something humanian.
 

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His not perfect, he can still die, his not faster the Superman(SUper man runs at the speed of sound = 1,100 Feet per second) He can get a disease, he can get injuryed, He can get detected, he does make mistakes. You seem to not realize that his not God and still can be killed. That's what you fail to realize. It just takes more hits to kill him then something humanian.

You need to clarify everything you just stated in your biography. The reason we are having these misconceptions is because you allow them to happen.
 

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I'm going to be blunt, like the Escapist zero punctuation blunt. I would apologize to you, but you probably won't take it as it won't be sincere in the first place. Have you done any research on the Maelibus species? I doubt it. First of all, they are one of the most secluded, little-known races in the galaxy. I would complain about the name Greg and how demon-type aliens would not really have human-type names, but I'll get over that as it can be easily explained away with a proper background. I will not give you this background, because that would limit the satisfaction of you actually thinking of a good character. I know that people, MANY people, have had problems with your characters in the past. You like having hybrids of species that could not possibly mate; you like using extinct races, and you like generally making over-powered, obnoxious things that people just generally nod and "heh heh". While they are trying to produce valuable criticism that you can use to make better, more interesting and plausible characters, you simply spit in their faces and throw a tantrum about how you're getting flamed or something like that.

I am really trying to help you here, but simply not having English as a first language does not mean you can prance around with over-powered, mary-sue characters that couldn't possibly exist in the first place. I know you want to have different species and have characters that are interesting and powerful, but if you really want your character to appear human then MAKE HIM A HUMAN. What is the POINT of being a MAELIBUS if you have him be a HUMAN later on? And don't give any excuses as to 'oh, he shape shifts and was experimented on-" No. Just no. I gave that excuse when I was twelve and on Neopets trying to explain away over-powered characters to other twelve-year-olds and they bought it. Unfortunately, we are not all of a younger mind and can comprehend realistic-like/relatable characters that fit in with the Star Wars Universe.

Now, onto actual problems. First of all, back to character background. Maelibus are a subterranean species that only come out to sing victims into their clutches or something like that. They don't sit around and cry 'woe is me, I'm a monster' because that's his nature, Maelibus are tricky little (not really, they're close to ten feet tall) pricks who eat people. Being reptilian in structure, I would suspect his parents forgetting about him sometime in early childhood to grow up and become mature enough to participate in their society like a normal good little Maelibus, like most reptiles in the animal kingdom. Furthermore, it's not LEGO, it's I-E-G-O. Also, they don't suck blood, they devour flesh. Then again, I'm not too particularly familiar with the species as the entry in Wookieepedia takes up half a page in word with ten point font.

There is no formal government on Iego, the species that have been collected there from wrecking band together into tribes and are more likely to rip out each other's throats for supplies and then lapse into insanity. There is a 'council' that is encountered in the Clone Wars, but they're highly superstitious, mistaking planetary defense systems for gods. Why on earth they would say, "oh hey there demon that are known for devouring our people, let's make you our friend!" is beyond me, I'm pretty sure that they would try and kill him on the spot, like they are prone to doing with the other poor stranded people. They have no army, they're too crazy to think about being that structured. What technology they DO have is old and decrepit, because people have been crashing their ships since the time of the first Sith war and before. They would not be smart enough to even COMPREHEND turning one species into another. Not only this, being close to ten feet tall, I don't see how something of that size and weight can turn into a smaller form, especially considering that you would have to get rid of the horns, the metallic scales, the tail, and turn into an entirely soft fleshy, exposed, delicate thing. Why would you do that to yourself? As I've never heard of it in canon either that option is out the window for you.

When your character is shot with BULLETS in your backstory (or blaster bolts, I'm not sure these people would even know how to use guns anymore, or where they got this technology/idea ) he is in human form with soft skin. WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I would brush it off as being alright if he was still in Maelibus form but COME ON, he would be dead. You sit any fleshy human in front of a firing line and they would be dead. And then he was suddenly turned back into his Maelibus form and everything was righty-o and bullits bounce off him after he's shot in the CHEST while he was vulnerable? Essentially you would have a bullet inside you when you transform back but you are NOT a shapeshifter, you are a Maelibus and they do not have any shapeshifting abilities what-so-ever. There are no doctors on Iego, they have shamans, being tribal people. If there was any war on Iego it would be tribal skirmishes.

I don't know how you get to the war-sone (as you keep doing Inception cuts and dream-within-a-dream crap that had be thoroughly confused) but I don't see how you would simply pick up your brand-new id, weapons, armor, ship and be on your merry way in a WAR ZONE. Were there no "guards"? Anyone watching? The ship fairy just plopped down a ship for you and you were on your way? How could you even carry a gun let alone shoot it proficiently having only three fingers like a mutated t-rex and have had no real contact with such technology? He would have no idea what armies were as well, and he would have no reason to join such feeble races he frequently preys upon as food. Including Mandolorians.

So, for your tl;dr, I shall bullet point for you:

1. To make better characters with races you don't know anything about you must:
-Research
-Ask for help
-Use common sense based upon the research and help you have received​
2. For your character, these are things I have wrong with it:
-Your character is stated as being a Maelibus. He cannot transform period, no matter how many times you are experimented on.
-Don't have your characters pity themselves for what is in their nature, for what they are perfectly happy and suited to be. This is like a emo vampire crying to his dead mommy and daddy about why he had to be a vampire and how he wants to go out with that ugly high school chick.
-There is no formal government on Iego. They have no technology that they are able to use coherently. They are tribal and have shamans, not doctors. They would have attempted to murder a demon that preys upon them the second you were spotted.
-There is no way one species can turn into another unless you are a shapeshifter. Maelibi are not shapeshifters.
-In your backstory your character is in multiple comas. Does he have brain problems? Some sort of terrible deficiency?
-In your backstory your character was shot and killed multiple times. Is he a zombie now?
-Maelibi have no SUPER WOLVERINE REGENERATING POWERS. It also takes serious concentration to use Force Heal. That is not something that can be done on the fly.
-Maelibi, being subterranean creatures living on a planet with hardly any up-to-date technology and three clawed fingers, would not be able to use weapons right off the bat without extensive modifications to the weapon and training.​







Now I feel bad only because all these criticisms will probably be ignored. If you take offense to this I can't really say anything about it because I'm trying to point out all the repeating flaws so you can mature character-wise. I'm seriously impressed that even through English is not your first language you can get about this forum as well as you do, but once again that does not excuse shoddy characters. The Star Wars Univers has a lot of strange things, but in some sort of way they make sense, take from that what you will. But the things I pointed out could really never happen and are so lubricious that I hang my head and cover my face with a hand every time I see one of your character profiles. What makes it worse is that when people try to help you, you throw a fit. I haven't even gotten into the stats at all, I was just fuming over the biography at this moment.

(( Moderators I'm sorry for throwing the book and I'm actually being sincere about that but I did say in the Species Questions thread I would critique this character so... ))
 

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You need to clarify everything you just stated in your biography. The reason we are having these misconceptions is because you allow them to happen.

What the heck are you on about, what Misconceptions. Your assuming things that are not true. Everything is explained in the bloody History. Is there somewhere in my profile that says he is God, all Mighty and None Kill-able, and perfect? No, so kindly leave me be.
 
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Nothing is explained in your history. You give a little background info on some impossible procedure and that's about it. You don't explain why he's so strong or why he is so fast. We all want you to succeed Zen, we're trying to help. If you are unable to take constructive criticisms, I'd recommend finding a new site.

I'm also assuming things, because you give me no other choice. Just elaborate a little bit on your personality and abilities and all assumptions will cease.
 

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So, for your tl;dr, I shall bullet point for you:

1. To make better characters with races you don't know anything about you must:
-Research
-Ask for help
-Use common sense based upon the research and help you have received
2. For your character, these are things I have wrong with it:
-Your character is stated as being a Maelibus. He cannot transform period, no matter how many times you are experimented on.
-Don't have your characters pity themselves for what is in their nature, for what they are perfectly happy and suited to be. This is like a emo vampire crying to his dead mommy and daddy about why he had to be a vampire and how he wants to go out with that ugly high school chick.
-There is no formal government on Iego. They have no technology that they are able to use coherently. They are tribal and have shamans, not doctors. They would have attempted to murder a demon that preys upon them the second you were spotted.
-There is no way one species can turn into another unless you are a shapeshifter. Maelibi are not shapeshifters.
-In your backstory your character is in multiple comas. Does he have brain problems? Some sort of terrible deficiency?
-In your backstory your character was shot and killed multiple times. Is he a zombie now?
-Maelibi have no SUPER WOLVERINE REGENERATING POWERS. It also takes serious concentration to use Force Heal. That is not something that can be done on the fly.
-Maelibi, being subterranean creatures living on a planet with hardly any up-to-date technology and three clawed fingers, would not be able to use weapons right off the bat without extensive modifications to the weapon and training.

^^ This. <3
 

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I'm going to be blunt, like the Escapist zero punctuation blunt. I would apologize to you, but you probably won't take it as it won't be sincere in the first place. Have you done any research on the Maelibus species? I doubt it. First of all, they are one of the most secluded, little-known races in the galaxy. I would complain about the name Greg and how demon-type aliens would not really have human-type names, but I'll get over that as it can be easily explained away with a proper background. I will not give you this background, because that would limit the satisfaction of you actually thinking of a good character. I know that people, MANY people, have had problems with your characters in the past. You like having hybrids of species that could not possibly mate; you like using extinct races, and you like generally making over-powered, obnoxious things that people just generally nod and "heh heh". While they are trying to produce valuable criticism that you can use to make better, more interesting and plausible characters, you simply spit in their faces and throw a tantrum about how you're getting flamed or something like that.

I am really trying to help you here, but simply not having English as a first language does not mean you can prance around with over-powered, mary-sue characters that couldn't possibly exist in the first place. I know you want to have different species and have characters that are interesting and powerful, but if you really want your character to appear human then MAKE HIM A HUMAN. What is the POINT of being a MAELIBUS if you have him be a HUMAN later on? And don't give any excuses as to 'oh, he shape shifts and was experimented on-" No. Just no. I gave that excuse when I was twelve and on Neopets trying to explain away over-powered characters to other twelve-year-olds and they bought it. Unfortunately, we are not all of a younger mind and can comprehend realistic-like/relatable characters that fit in with the Star Wars Universe.

Now, onto actual problems. First of all, back to character background. Maelibus are a subterranean species that only come out to sing victims into their clutches or something like that. They don't sit around and cry 'woe is me, I'm a monster' because that's his nature, Maelibus are tricky little (not really, they're close to ten feet tall) pricks who eat people. Being reptilian in structure, I would suspect his parents forgetting about him sometime in early childhood to grow up and become mature enough to participate in their society like a normal good little Maelibus, like most reptiles in the animal kingdom. Furthermore, it's not LEGO, it's I-E-G-O. Also, they don't suck blood, they devour flesh. Then again, I'm not too particularly familiar with the species as the entry in Wookieepedia takes up half a page in word with ten point font.

There is no formal government on Iego, the species that have been collected there from wrecking band together into tribes and are more likely to rip out each other's throats for supplies and then lapse into insanity. There is a 'council' that is encountered in the Clone Wars, but they're highly superstitious, mistaking planetary defense systems for gods. Why on earth they would say, "oh hey there demon that are known for devouring our people, let's make you our friend!" is beyond me, I'm pretty sure that they would try and kill him on the spot, like they are prone to doing with the other poor stranded people. They have no army, they're too crazy to think about being that structured. What technology they DO have is old and decrepit, because people have been crashing their ships since the time of the first Sith war and before. They would not be smart enough to even COMPREHEND turning one species into another. Not only this, being close to ten feet tall, I don't see how something of that size and weight can turn into a smaller form, especially considering that you would have to get rid of the horns, the metallic scales, the tail, and turn into an entirely soft fleshy, exposed, delicate thing. Why would you do that to yourself? As I've never heard of it in canon either that option is out the window for you.

When your character is shot with BULLETS in your backstory (or blaster bolts, I'm not sure these people would even know how to use guns anymore, or where they got this technology/idea ) he is in human form with soft skin. WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I would brush it off as being alright if he was still in Maelibus form but COME ON, he would be dead. You sit any fleshy human in front of a firing line and they would be dead. And then he was suddenly turned back into his Maelibus form and everything was righty-o and bullits bounce off him after he's shot in the CHEST while he was vulnerable? Essentially you would have a bullet inside you when you transform back but you are NOT a shapeshifter, you are a Maelibus and they do not have any shapeshifting abilities what-so-ever. There are no doctors on Iego, they have shamans, being tribal people. If there was any war on Iego it would be tribal skirmishes.

I don't know how you get to the war-sone (as you keep doing Inception cuts and dream-within-a-dream crap that had be thoroughly confused) but I don't see how you would simply pick up your brand-new id, weapons, armor, ship and be on your merry way in a WAR ZONE. Were there no "guards"? Anyone watching? The ship fairy just plopped down a ship for you and you were on your way? How could you even carry a gun let alone shoot it proficiently having only three fingers like a mutated t-rex and have had no real contact with such technology? He would have no idea what armies were as well, and he would have no reason to join such feeble races he frequently preys upon as food. Including Mandolorians.

So, for your tl;dr, I shall bullet point for you:

1. To make better characters with races you don't know anything about you must:
-Research
-Ask for help
-Use common sense based upon the research and help you have received​
2. For your character, these are things I have wrong with it:
-Your character is stated as being a Maelibus. He cannot transform period, no matter how many times you are experimented on.
-Don't have your characters pity themselves for what is in their nature, for what they are perfectly happy and suited to be. This is like a emo vampire crying to his dead mommy and daddy about why he had to be a vampire and how he wants to go out with that ugly high school chick.
-There is no formal government on Iego. They have no technology that they are able to use coherently. They are tribal and have shamans, not doctors. They would have attempted to murder a demon that preys upon them the second you were spotted.
-There is no way one species can turn into another unless you are a shapeshifter. Maelibi are not shapeshifters.
-In your backstory your character is in multiple comas. Does he have brain problems? Some sort of terrible deficiency?
-In your backstory your character was shot and killed multiple times. Is he a zombie now?
-Maelibi have no SUPER WOLVERINE REGENERATING POWERS. It also takes serious concentration to use Force Heal. That is not something that can be done on the fly.
-Maelibi, being subterranean creatures living on a planet with hardly any up-to-date technology and three clawed fingers, would not be able to use weapons right off the bat without extensive modifications to the weapon and training.​







Now I feel bad only because all these criticisms will probably be ignored. If you take offense to this I can't really say anything about it because I'm trying to point out all the repeating flaws so you can mature character-wise. I'm seriously impressed that even through English is not your first language you can get about this forum as well as you do, but once again that does not excuse shoddy characters. The Star Wars Univers has a lot of strange things, but in some sort of way they make sense, take from that what you will. But the things I pointed out could really never happen and are so lubricious that I hang my head and cover my face with a hand every time I see one of your character profiles. What makes it worse is that when people try to help you, you throw a fit. I haven't even gotten into the stats at all, I was just fuming over the biography at this moment.

(( Moderators I'm sorry for throwing the book and I'm actually being sincere about that but I did say in the Species Questions thread I would critique this character so... ))

Err? Again as I said his not a Hybrid. Ive never made a ex int character. You sir don't know me at all.

Of course there was no GOVERNMENT a bloody Government came into the Plant. And the Plant is called Logo. Not L E G O. I've made human character they freaking suck. Die of old age. Now that I have the chance to make a Ageless character that's not in an Ex int list. I took full opposition of it. Also He Was having dreams, he was not shot or killed. He was in a coma, and having a dream.

And as I said, there was war, he killed everyone in Demon Form, shifted back to Human form, and yes took the ID, Gun, SHip, and went off.

Now please stop bashing at me.
Nothing is explained in your history. You give a little background info on some impossible procedure and that's about it. You don't explain why he's so strong or why he is so fast. We all want you to succeed Zen, we're trying to help. If you are unable to take constructive criticisms, I'd recommend finding a new site.

I'm also assuming things, because you give me no other choice. Just elaborate a little bit on your personality and abilities and all assumptions will cease.

How he has his powers, HIS freaking race is strong, Fast, Agile and Durable, that's how. Stop Assuming things, it makes an ass out of you and me. Also you go find a new site. Stop threaten me please.
^^ This. <3

Don't post unless you give helpful Suggestions.
 

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No one is out to get you Zen. No one is threatening you or out to get you. We are trying to help you fix your character. If your character stays the way it is, I guarantee that no one will want to RP with you. If you listen to our advice, your character will be one everyone wants to RP with.
 

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We are giving you helpful suggestions. The planet of the Maelibi is I-E-G-O. The text on wookieepedia is confusing because uppercase Is look like lowercase Ls. I know this is not a hybrid, I stated you are simply known for creating hybrids. No one wanted to be there except some Smugglers who used it a a base of operations for awhile until they realized the planet was shit and left. The only time a Government has taken interest in Iego is the Separatist movement and they soon realized the planet was shit and left. Other than that no one has really taken interest in the planet, bieng so far away from everything and being a shit planet with angels that like crashing people into the ground only for demons to eat them.

Once again, this is why I called the whole coma sequence Inception-like. If it never really happened, why have it in your backstory? What is the point in knowing this? Is it significant to the future? WILL HE HAVE MORE COMAS? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON ZEN'S BACKSTORIES! :D

And once again, Maelibus cannot transform and there would be no technology to to even attempt the process. You need to go and edit things out.

And by the time your human character would die (the aging process isn't even strictly regulated here, and you can't carry your characters over to new time lines anyway), it would be a new timeline. People grow old and die. Shit sucks. Gotta deal with it.
 

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No one is out to get you Zen. No one is threatening you or out to get you. We are trying to help you fix your character. If your character stays the way it is, I guarantee that no one will want to RP with you. If you listen to our advice, your character will be one everyone wants to RP with.

Lies. Lies and Lies, I'm keeping it the way it is. If I can't even use creative without anyone bashing at my skull. And threaten me to go to another site, when I've been here for three years. And Bitching at me, for over powered characters. When clearly this character is not god and can be killed. And is nothing compared to what others have. I don't see others bashing on other overpowered profiles. All I see is people bashing at mine.

You can carry characters over to new timelines, It seem you have not been here long enough. And I SAID OTHER TOOK HIM< BROUGHT HIM TO ANOTHER PLANET AND USED THERE BLOODY FREAKING TECHNOLOGY!
 
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Zen people are trying to help you out a bit, also ALL of my characters are human/mortal and NONE if them suck. Feeryn is in the second round of the Acolyte tourney when he was expected to lose in round 1, Exal is learning various things and is helping Tuwan on missions, A'den is the LEADER of clan Fett...how do they suck? They do not, yes they can die but they aren't horrid, all people are asking is that you stick to the Star Wars lore, they aren't saying your concept is BAD. As I stated remake the mando as an experiment and use Vermin's layout to help you along :) it would be easier for you that way then to keep on fighting everyone.
 

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No, it's called Iego.

And to be honest, we're not bashing at you. We're genuinely trying to -help- you make a character that everyone will like, enjoy interacting with, and genuinely want to RP with.

And I don't know what other sites you've RPed on, but human characters are far more because of their faults, and I've yet to see a character die of old age here... I know you saw the thread about IC aging on this forum, because you posted it. Whatever option you go with of those stated there, it'll take -ages- before a character goes from being 20+ to 70+, where old age really starts to set in. This is Star Wars. With propper health care and a smarts, a regular human can live to be about 130, and well active up to his seventies, like Boba Fett.
 

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Zen people are trying to help you out a bit, also ALL of my characters are human/mortal and NONE if them suck. Feeryn is in the second round of the Acolyte tourney when he was expected to lose in round 1, Exal is learning various things and is helping Tuwan on missions, A'den is the LEADER of clan Fett...how do they suck? They do not, yes they can die but they aren't horrid, all people are asking is that you stick to the Star Wars lore, they aren't saying your concept is BAD. As I stated remake the mando as an experiment and use Vermin's layout to help you along :) it would be easier for you that way then to keep on fighting everyone.

Humans suck, I will not remake him. I how is DNA Inputting, and Gene Splicing not related to freaking Starwars, we Have freaking Vermin who has different DNA how is that any different from Craig.
 

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In all honesty, mortal characters (such as humans) are some of the best to RP with. They have faults, they have issues. Best of all, they can get seriously injured, captured, or even killed. You get attached to them and find yourself thinking "holy crap, he's in some deep poodoo" whenever your character is in over their head. You come up with creative means to ensure your character comes out learning a lesson rather than with a hole in his chest. The fun of playing them is KNOWING that they die and will age. It's part of life. Characters who have to deal with death tend to come out stronger since they had to face their mortality. Sure, having an ageless character can be fun, but when all of his/her friends die of age or in battle, what happens then? Being able to withstand time itself isn't always a good thing.
 

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Vermin isn't perfect? He hardly knows anything, can barely think for himself outside of combat, relies on the dark side in almost a parasitic fashion, and was created by Darth Exilis.
 

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In all honesty, mortal characters (such as humans) are some of the best to RP with. They have faults, they have issues. Best of all, they can get seriously injured, captured, or even killed. You get attached to them and find yourself thinking "holy crap, he's in some deep poodoo" whenever your character is in over their head. You come up with creative means to ensure your character comes out learning a lesson rather than with a hole in his chest. The fun of playing them is KNOWING that they die and will age. It's part of life. Characters who have to deal with death tend to come out stronger since they had to face their mortality. Sure, having an ageless character can be fun, but when all of his/her friends die of age or in battle, what happens then? Being able to withstand time itself isn't always a good thing.

It is.

I never said Vermin Perfect, nor Is Craig I am saying, His the same as Craig, Seeing as both of them have Different DNAS of others.
 

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Vermin isn't perfect? He hardly knows anything, can barely think for himself outside of combat, relies on the dark side in almost a parasitic fashion, and was created by Darth Exilis.

A'den's done the classy way of having a "Monster" character. You want someone to be highly powerful in combat? Then make him useless outside of it. Cripple him in some other fashion. The faults -combined- with strenghts, is what makes a character fun, interesting, and interesting to RP with.
 

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A'den's done the classy way of having a "Monster" character. You want someone to be highly powerful in combat? Then make him useless outside of it. Cripple him in some other fashion. The faults -combined- with strenghts, is what makes a character fun, interesting, and interesting to RP with.


I will not be making changes I've made changes as it is, and if no one rps with me, I'll just join open threads.
 

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A'den's done the classy way of having a "Monster" character. You want someone to be highly powerful in combat? Then make him useless outside of it. Cripple him in some other fashion. The faults -combined- with strenghts, is what makes a character fun, interesting, and interesting to RP with.

Thanks...I think...

And Zen people will stop posting/ignore you if you don't make him reasonable...and i thought you said he WASN'T a hybrid...because Vermin IS a hybrid that is the definition of mixed genes
 
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