Creation of the masses

[Kit]

Geez, this thread wasn't supposed to be a heated religious frag-fest (that's what it looks like so far).

Genesis has a lot more proof than lolcats. Snakes crawl on their bellies. We have evidence of the Flood. I don't care what people say, all the things that are explained by the flood have crappy explanations otherwise. I'm pretty sure there's evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and all these years later we manage to imitate it with the Atom Bomb. :CStern:

The very beginning has no proof from anyone ever at all. It's all faith. Oh, and please I don't want people to start dissing faith... that seems to happen alot. The Bible has some pretty hard facts around some of it, and predictions work wonders. But seriously... find one ounce of proof in favour of a theory in how the world was created, and I'll change my name to Bubba Barney Bum. You're not gonna find it. :CHappy:

It's fun to speculate though.

1. No it doesn't.
2. That's not proof for Genesis. If anything it's proof for evolution.

And anyway, by your logic, I could turn around and say "Snakes can't talk, so therefore Genesis must be false."


It is specualted a flood may have occurred around that time. But I would say that "scientific geography" is a pretty good explaination compared to "a magic man in the sky did it".

I mean there's evidence Jesus existed, it doesn't prove he's the son of God.


Name one. Name one fact that proves anything the bible says about God, or Jesus or any other character within it.

You sir, Hanshin, have made the fatal flaw of messing with the cream of the British Education system's crop; the grammar/private school student.

Enjoy your face full of owned. And remember, it'll only go downhill from here.

 

[Ols]

You sir, Hanshin, have made the fatal flaw of messing with the cream of the British Education system's crop; the grammar/private school student.

Oh I'm the latter, I'm middle class and white. To be a grammar school student I'd have to be asian. :CHappy:

 

[Hanshin]

You sir, Hanshin, have made the fatal flaw of messing with the cream of the British Education system's crop; the grammar/private school student.

Enjoy your face full of owned. And remember, it'll only go downhill from here.

I owned him back. Oh, and my face is OVERFLOWING with owned. It has been for several years. :CHappy:

 

[Kit]

God cursed snakes. I know it's got no real proof, but still. I think it could've been a dragon before it was cursed, and Satan never talked through the snake after it was cursed, and therefore that's where the dragon mythology came from.



And what are you calling "Scientific Geography"? There is no scientific way to explain a sudden flooding of the whole earth, while there is geographical evidence.



I wonder how the Jews crossed the Red Sea safely and yet the Egyptions have been recently found lying on its floor... hmmm...

As to the snake thing, why wouldn't it have been called a dragon first? There's been dragons in mythology for as long as there's been mythology, and snakes have been snakes just as long; why wouldn't god of all people draw the distinction?

The rapid ending of an ice age? I believe that's the answer you're looking for. A rise in termperature like we're experiencing now, or perhaps a very near miss from a solar flare, would easily melt a massive amount of glacial ice, adn flood huge amounts of the entire world.

Finally, my answer to your last point is this; EGYPTIANS? AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA NEAREST TO THEIR HOMELANDS?! NO FREAKING WAY!!!

Oh I'm the latter, I'm middle class and white. To be a grammar school student I'd have to be asian. :CHappy:

Um... I too am both middle class and white, but attended a grammar school... I'm guessing it's a London thing, right?

 

[Hanshin]

As to the snake thing, why wouldn't it have been called a dragon first? There's been dragons in mythology for as long as there's been mythology, and snakes have been snakes just as long; why wouldn't god of all people draw the distinction?

They were referred to as "Serpents" in Genesis and were cursed to crawl on their bellies, suggesting that they did not do so before. Either dragons or dinosaurs, methinks.

The rapid ending of an ice age? I believe that's the answer you're looking for. A rise in termperature like we're experiencing now, or perhaps a very near miss from a solar flare, would easily melt a massive amount of glacial ice, adn flood huge amounts of the entire world.

yeah but it wouldn't flood EVERYTHING with raining for 40 days and 40 nights then drop a large boat filled with 2 of every animal on a mountain peak (we have proof of the boat and the mountain!) so that they can repopulate the earth.

Finally, my answer to your last point is this; EGYPTIANS? AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA NEAREST TO THEIR HOMELANDS?! NO FREAKING WAY!!!




Um... I too am both middle class and white, but attended a grammar school... I'm guessing it's a London thing, right?

You didn't answer the part about the Jews crossing safely, Kupo. Also, I'm homeschooled, Kupo.

I wub Moogles!

 

[Ols]

God cursed snakes. I know it's got no real proof, but still. I think it could've been a dragon before it was cursed, and Satan never talked through the snake after it was cursed, and therefore that's where the dragon mythology came from.

rofl.

And what are you calling "Scientific Geography"? There is no scientific way to explain a sudden flooding of the whole earth, while there is geographical evidence.

Right, first of all there is NO geographical evidence for global flooding within the past 10,000 years. I don't geography, so I don't know this fully, I don't profess to, but I believe flooding on a large scale is possible (and there is evidence that portions of the land, large ones, were flooded)/ We're in an interglacial period currently - in the middle of an ice age. It;s possible that climate change could have caused the flooding given the changeable nature of the earth. Or I might be wrong and it might be to do with more intellectual geography; as I said I'm not a geographer.

I wonder how the Jews crossed the Red Sea safely and yet the Egyptions have been recently found lying on its floor... hmmm...

The red sea, or parts of it, drain periodically, and then flood.

 

[Hanshin]

rofl.



Right, first of all there is NO geographical evidence for global flooding within the past 10,000 years. I don't geography, so I don't know this fully, I don't profess to, but I believe flooding on a large scale is possible (and there is evidence that portions of the land, large ones, were flooded)/ We're in an interglacial period currently - in the middle of an ice age. It;s possible that climate change could have caused the flooding given the changeable nature of the earth. Or I might be wrong and it might be to do with more intellectual geography; as I said I'm not a geographer.



The red sea, or parts of it, drain periodically, and then flood.

Yeah... I learned the part about geographical evidence in my Middle School General Science (Wow if I can learn it at that age!). I'm sure i can dig it up and give you some quotes.


The Red Sea does that? Drowning Egyptions (Who had weapons and chariots) and letting the Jews (who were slaves) across? I never would've guessed. Please answer the part about locusts, disease, frogs, water turning to blood, and the killing of the firstborn.

 

[Kit]

yeah but it wouldn't flood EVERYTHING with raining for 40 days and 40 nights then drop a large boat filled with 2 of every animal on a mountain peak (we have proof of the boat and the mountain!) so that they can repopulate the earth.

Go on then. Prove to me that this is the case. Also, here's soem further thinking for you; Noah gathered several billion different varieties of every single kind of insect? He got each and every single animal (Numbering seven and four, never two) and the entire worlds stock comes from them, does it?

Then add this little conundrum; noah and his stupidly huge number of animals get off the boat in one place; but then, some end up miles away, with absolutely no examples ever showing up anywhere but there? How?

You didn't answer the part about the Jews crossing safely, Kupo. Also, I'm homeschooled, Kupo.

Why would I need to? It's not unexpected that there are egyptian corpses at the bottom of the red sea. Why should/does that prove that moses' story was true?

Wasn't talking to you about the school part, but... suddenly it all starts making sense.

Also, have you ever actually read the bible?

 

[Ols]

Um... I too am both middle class and white, but attended a grammar school... I'm guessing it's a London thing, right?

Hmmm...I suppose so. Most (not all) of the grammar schools in and around London are predominantly asian.

They were referred to as "Serpents" in Genesis and were cursed to crawl on their bellies, suggesting that they did not do so before. Either dragons or dinosaurs, methinks.

Dragons aren't real, dinosaurs were. And I think evolution and extinction explains things better than "a magid man cursed them to become small, retract their legs and change a lot of their other charicteristics."

yeah but it wouldn't flood EVERYTHING with raining for 40 days and 40 nights then drop a large boat filled with 2 of every animal on a mountain peak (we have proof of the boat and the mountain!) so that they can repopulate the earth.

We have no proof of the boat and the mountain, mate.We have no proof it rained for 40 days and nights. We have no proof of two of every animal; I sincerely doubt Noah went to Australia to get the Marsupials and then returned them safely and soundly to Oz. I also doubt that humans would be as diverse in colour if we'd have stemmed from an arabic line 5000 years ago: asians and black people as we know them probably would not exist.

You didn't answer the part about the Jews crossing safely,

Parts of the red sea drains periodically (or used to anyway). I have told you this.

Kupo. Also, I'm homeschooled, Kupo.

Figures...

The Red Sea does that? Drowning Egyptions (Who had weapons and chariots) and letting the Jews (who were slaves) across? I never would've guessed. Please answer the part about locusts, disease, frogs, water turning to blood, and the killing of the firstborn.

Yes. And considering the Egyptians lived there for centuries, millenia even, as kupo said, dead bodies would not be uncommon. And anyway, with only skeletal evidence how do you differentiate a Jew from and Egyptian if they're both from the same place?

Oh and there is NO EVIDENCE for the plagues. Just because it's recorded in the bible doesn't mean it happened.

 

[Dan.]

I believe adroit summed it up when he said something to the effect of 'We really should stop these threads. We're an RP site, not some bible-destryoing kiddy site.'

What does 'twat' mean?

 

[Demiurge]

My kind as in Christians as in the world was created by God in 7 days in the way the Bible says.

Some food for thought. When people read that God made Earth in seven days, everyone assumes that is 168 hours - a literal week for us.

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So, with that in mind, was it seven days or seven thousand years?

 

[JM76]

Some food for thought. When people read that God made Earth in seven days, everyone assumes that is 168 hours - a literal week for us.

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So, with that in mind, was it seven days or seven thousand years?

I think you make a really good and valid point. The problem stems when translators encounter the Hebrew word "yom", which is used in Genesis 1 for the word "day". In all other places of the Bible, it describes a specific 24-hour period. However, due to the sentence structure of Genesis 1, "yom" can be translated differently. A "day" was simply a period of creation - from the dawn to dusk - to separate when God created everything. It is obviously not referring to a solar day because the sun and most cosmic bodies weren't created until the fourth "day".

So for all you "TL;DR" people, I agree with you, though there is an understandable reason for debate, due to translational differences/clashing ideas on Biblical literalism, etc.

 

[The Agriculturist]

The Red Sea does that? Drowning Egyptions (Who had weapons and chariots) and letting the Jews (who were slaves) across? I never would've guessed. Please answer the part about locusts, disease, frogs, water turning to blood, and the killing of the firstborn.

Sigh..... ****ing A. Here we go:

OK. The problem with exodus is that religious scholars were thus far responsible for interpreting it and giving it a date. Why? Because the date they gave it (13000 BC) is a date where there is no scientific explanation for what happened. But, a few years ago, scientists started looking at this, and it all makes perfect sense, if you just move it back about 200-300 years (1500-1600 BC).

So, Santorini (a volcanoe a few hundred kilometers at most from egypt, in the greek islands) explodes. This shakes the earth surrounding the volcanoe (Plate Techtonics, read about it) and releases a lot of minerals and gasses trapped at the bottom of the sea, and by association rivers. As it were, the big river by the meditarenean (**** spelling, I'm tired) is the nile. One of the elements found in the river bed that was released and allowed to move to the top was Iron. If you have had a chemistry class, you know that when Iron (Fe) reacts with Oxygen (O, easily found in a river of water which is HOH) to form Iron Oxide; Rust. What is the color of rust my dear friend? It is red. What color did the river turn? Red. There's your first plague. The same thing happened in the early 90's in Cameroon in lake nyos.

Onwards to # 2. So, a layer of rust forms on top of the river, which means animals living inside said river are going to have a tough time surviving, what with all the rust trapping their waste products (as in waste products of respiration, not their shit) are going to have a tough time 'breathing'. Fish, who unfortunatley cannot leave the water, die. Just like it says in the good old book. What animals are found in rivers that can easily jump out? Frogs! and there is your second plague.

Moving quickly to number 3. The Nile was egypt's only source of clean fresh water. They used it for drinking, cooking, cleaning, and bathing. Now that the river turned ****ing red, most people aren't using that water for anything. Which means they are not bathing. Egyptians have also been documented to allow their hair to grow long, and even let it dread (it was considered a mark of the higher classes). Dreaded hair needs to be washed regularly, and to be honest all types of hair need washing, or you don't get the dirt and bugs out of it. what bugs? Lice.

The 4th plague is a bit tricky. In Hebrew, the word is 'Arov', which sadly, does not translate into anything clear in other languages. It can either mean flies, or wild beasts. Luckily, both can be accounted for. For the flies, just find a dog, and let him take a nice warm dump out in the grass. Sit a safe distance away, and watch what happens. With time, flies will gather around. Now rewind time so you are in an egypt where none can bathe do to the water having gone and turned red, and you can imagine that it gets quite stinky, and stink attracts flies. If that doesn't convince you, you could also recall that if all the frogs left the river, there's no one to eat the flies and other biting insects, which allows those populations to go unchecked. As for the beasts, if I'm a thirsty predator, and my water turned red, I'm off looking for a new water hole. It makes perfect sense that the animals traveled Up stream (or is it down?) in order to find clean water. The egyptian empire had quite the area, and it's very, very, very possible that those thirsty predators waltzed on by (much more possible than say, a supreme mythical being creating the world in 6 days).

alright, 5 and 6 we can knock out quickly. Flies pass diseases. Don't even argue here, it happens in modern times over and over. Flies easily transfer diseases that kill livestock, and can easily pass a skin disease to humans, as remember that the 6th plague is described as bumps on the skin, or as boils. These can be due to the flies, or due to numerous infections of hair follicles of the egyptians (remember...they can't bathe!)

Alright, number 7, the incredible, divine, fireball incased in hail. Sounds impossible? sorry, it is perfectly real. Santorini explodes, sending hot rocks and ash flying into the air. All these have to do is get high enough in the air, to the point where water vapor begins to condense and freeze. the ash becomes enclosed in the ice, and falls back down to the ground as fire hail. Again, this isn't the only mention of this phenomena, it has happened in other eruptions.

Plague 8: Darknessssssssssss. Santorini explodes, kicking up a MASSIVE cloud of ash and dust. It moves with the wind towards egypt, and makes it almost impossible to see anything, regardless of time of day. If you haven't seen a Volcanoe erupt, youtube it or somthing, and you will see the thick ashcloud.

Plague 9: Death of the first born (only egyptians.) OK. So, in Egyptian society ( and much of the ancient world), the First born son was the heir to everything the father (or other patriarch in the family; uncle, grandfather, etc.) owned. This also meant the house. Egyptian first born sons slept in low to the ground beds on the first floor of their brick houses. The younger children slept on the roof, on hay stacks, and generally places higher up. Parents slept on the second floor, or in an elevated room (they are, after all, the owners of the house.) Now, going back to plate tectonics and gasses and elements being released from the nile floor, Iron wasn't the only thing to rise. Carbon Monoxide came along too. This cloud of Carbon Monoxide (poison to humans) would have been inhaled by anyone who happened to be low to the ground, i.e. egyptian first born sons. By the time the cloud rises to the younger children, it dissipates and becomes more mixed and disperesed, which would leave the youngers with nothing more than a headache and a cough. Don't believe me? The SAME THING happened again in Cameroon in Lake Nyos. Why did the jews not die? They were busy having a big dinner, and packing to get the **** out of egypt the following day, which means they were awake, and moving around that night, which means they probably were not laying on the ground, and not breathing in all that poison.

Take a moment and rest your eyes.

OK, so how did the jews cross the red sea and the egyptians didnt? Easy, that never happened. More people should learn Hebrew. The actual name of the 'sea' the Hebrews crossed is 'Yam Suf", which translates directly into the reed sea, or sea of reeds, not red sea. Reeds grow by almost any body of fresh water, which means all the Hebrews had to do was cross a pool of water. Why did the egyptians drown? Well, geological movement thanks to Santorini, as well as tides and wind caused again by the pressure difference in the area caused by Santorini, would perfectly explain how the water could be pulled away from the lake bed temporarily, creating a sandbar that allowed crossing by foot. However, the keyword here is temporary, which means that the water is going to eventually come back. Terrible that the egyptians had to cross the the pool when the water refilled it.
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Like I said in a thread a while ago....Some day, you will all grow up.

 

[Sovereign]

Sigh..... ****ing A. Here we go:

OK. The problem with exodus is that religious scholars were thus far responsible for interpreting it and giving it a date. Why? Because the date they gave it (12000 BC) is a date where there is no scientific explanation for what happened. But, a few years ago, scientists started looking at this, and it all makes perfect sense, if you just move it back 100 years (1300 BC).

So, Santorini (a volcanoe a few hundred kilometers at most from egypt, in the greek islands) explodes. This shakes the earth surrounding the volcanoe (Plate Techtonics, read about it) and releases a lot of minerals and gasses trapped at the bottom of the sea, and by association rivers. As it were, the big river by the meditarenean (**** spelling, I'm tired) is the nile. One of the elements found in the river bed that was released and allowed to move to the top was Iron. If you have had a chemistry class, you know that when Iron (Fe) reacts with Oxygen (O, easily found in a river of water which is HOH) to form Iron Oxide; Rust. What is the color of rust my dear friend? It is red. What color did the river turn? Red. There's your first plague. The same thing happened in the early 90's in Cameroon in lake nyos.

Onwards to # 2. So, a layer of rust forms on top of the river, which means animals living inside said river are going to have a tough time surviving, what with all the rust trapping their waste products (as in waste products of respiration, not their shit) are going to have a tough time 'breathing'. Fish, who unfortunatley cannot leave the water, die. Just like it says in the good old book. What animals are found in rivers that can easily jump out? Frogs! and there is your second plague.

Moving quickly to number 3. The Nile was egypt's only source of clean fresh water. They used it for drinking, cooking, cleaning, and bathing. Now that the river turned ****ing red, most people aren't using that water for anything. Which means they are not bathing. Egyptians have also been documented to allow their hair to grow long, and even let it dread (it was considered a mark of the higher classes). Dreaded hair needs to be washed regularly, and to be honest all types of hair need washing, or you don't get the dirt and bugs out of it. what bugs? Lice.

The 4th plague is a bit tricky. In Hebrew, the word is 'Arov', which sadly, does not translate into anything clear in other languages. It can either mean flies, or wild beasts. Luckily, both can be accounted for. For the flies, just find a dog, and let him take a nice warm dump out in the grass. Sit a safe distance away, and watch what happens. With time, flies will gather around. Now rewind time so you are in an egypt where none can bathe do to the water having gone and turned red, and you can imagine that it gets quite stinky, and stink attracts flies. If that doesn't convince you, you could also recall that if all the frogs left the river, there's no one to eat the flies and other biting insects, which allows those populations to go unchecked. As for the beasts, if I'm a thirsty predator, and my water turned red, I'm off looking for a new water hole. It makes perfect sense that the animals traveled Up stream (or is it down?) in order to find clean water. The egyptian empire had quite the area, and it's very, very, very possible that those thirsty predators waltzed on by (much more possible than say, a supreme mythical being creating the world in 6 days).

alright, 5 and 6 we can knock out quickly. Flies pass diseases. Don't even argue here, it happens in modern times over and over. Flies easily transfer diseases that kill livestock, and can easily pass a skin disease to humans, as remember that the 6th plague is described as bumps on the skin, or as boils. These can be due to the flies, or due to numerous infections of hair follicles of the egyptians (remember...they can't bathe!)

Alright, number 7, the incredible, divine, fireball incased in hail. Sounds impossible? sorry, it is perfectly real. Santorini explodes, sending hot rocks and ash flying into the air. All these have to do is get high enough in the air, to the point where water vapor begins to condense and freeze. the ash becomes enclosed in the ice, and falls back down to the ground as fire hail. Again, this isn't the only mention of this phenomena, it has happened in other eruptions.

Plague 8: Darknessssssssssss. Santorini explodes, kicking up a MASSIVE cloud of ash and dust. It moves with the wind towards egypt, and makes it almost impossible to see anything, regardless of time of day. If you haven't seen a Volcanoe erupt, youtube it or somthing, and you will see the thick ashcloud.

Plague 9: Death of the first born (only egyptians.) OK. So, in Egyptian society ( and much of the ancient world), the First born son was the heir to everything the father (or other patriarch in the family; uncle, grandfather, etc.) owned. This also meant the house. Egyptian first born sons slept in low to the ground beds on the first floor of their brick houses. The younger children slept on the roof, on hay stacks, and generally places higher up. Parents slept on the second floor, or in an elevated room (they are, after all, the owners of the house.) Now, going back to plate tectonics and gasses and elements being released from the nile floor, Iron wasn't the only thing to rise. Carbon Monoxide came along too. This cloud of Carbon Monoxide (poison to humans) would have been inhaled by anyone who happened to be low to the ground, i.e. egyptian first born sons. By the time the cloud rises to the younger children, it dissipates and becomes more mixed and disperesed, which would leave the youngers with nothing more than a headache and a cough. Don't believe me? The SAME THING happened again in Cameroon in Lake Nyos. Why did the jews not die? They were busy having a big dinner, and packing to get the **** out of egypt the following day, which means they were awake, and moving around that night, which means they probably were not laying on the ground, and not breathing in all that poison.

Take a moment and rest your eyes.

OK, so how did the jews cross the red sea and the egyptians didnt? Easy, that never happened. More people should learn Hebrew. The actual name of the 'sea' the Hebrews crossed is 'Yam Suf", which translates directly into the reed sea, or sea of reeds, not red sea. Reeds grow by almost any body of fresh water, which means all the Hebrews had to do was cross a pool of water. Why did the egyptians drown? Well, geological movement thanks to Santorini, as well as tides and wind caused again by the pressure difference in the area caused by Santorini, would perfectly explain how the water could be pulled away from the lake bed temporarily, creating a sandbar that allowed crossing by foot. However, the keyword here is temporary, which means that the water is going to eventually come back. Terrible that the egyptians had to cross the the pool when the water refilled it.
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Like I said in a thread a while ago....Some day, you will all grow up.

hey agri

 

[Enishi]

Big bang. No God.

 

[Storm]

Last time we had one such thread, it turned into a religious opinionated shout down fest.

 

[Ols]

What does 'twat' mean?

It's an insulting word to call somebody. It literally means "vagina".

Last time we had one such thread, it turned into a religious opinionated shout down fest.

And this isn't?

 

[Storm]

And this isn't?

That's my point entirely. Saying about how these threads always end up like this.

 

[Hanshin]

Go on then. Prove to me that this is the case. Also, here's soem further thinking for you; Noah gathered several billion different varieties of every single kind of insect? He got each and every single animal (Numbering seven and four, never two) and the entire worlds stock comes from them, does it?

Then add this little conundrum; noah and his stupidly huge number of animals get off the boat in one place; but then, some end up miles away, with absolutely no examples ever showing up anywhere but there? How?




Why would I need to? It's not unexpected that there are egyptian corpses at the bottom of the red sea. Why should/does that prove that moses' story was true?

Wasn't talking to you about the school part, but... suddenly it all starts making sense.

Also, have you ever actually read the bible?

I don't believe that the world started with so many species. I believe in mutation, as it is scientifically backed, and so there could have been not that many species during the time of the Ark, and they mutated and developed many different species.

God is good at scattering people. Tower of Babel, that story he scatters people all over the earth. Hence, the scattering of people all over the earth. So he could have easily scattered the animals.

I've read the bible from start to finish and if you add it all up probably about 5 times over.

Dragons aren't real, dinosaurs were. And I think evolution and extinction explains things better than "a magid man cursed them to become small, retract their legs and change a lot of their other charicteristics."

I assume you're using magic again, degrading the chance of getting an intelligent answer. Dragons may have been a form of dinosaur.

We have no proof of the boat and the mountain, mate.We have no proof it rained for 40 days and nights. We have no proof of two of every animal; I sincerely doubt Noah went to Australia to get the Marsupials and then returned them safely and soundly to Oz. I also doubt that humans would be as diverse in colour if we'd have stemmed from an arabic line 5000 years ago: asians and black people as we know them probably would not exist.

We have no proof of raining 40 days an nights or two of every animal. We've found the Ark, and it does date back far enough in time to fit. Noah didn't get to Australia as God brought them to him, and talking about Oz just makes me want to strangle myself. I said mutation, and that shows that humans could have changed in appearance to adapt to the environment.

Figures...

Yeah, I know. Our school system is so crappy right now, people can graduate that don't know how to read. Being homeschooled shows why i'm so smart.

Some food for thought. When people read that God made Earth in seven days, everyone assumes that is 168 hours - a literal week for us.

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So, with that in mind, was it seven days or seven thousand years?

Not all people assume it's 168 hours, those guys who try to fuse creationism and evolution into one belief and send each other into the concrete use that theory. Considering they used the Hebrew for "Day" It would be whatever the Hebrew day was. 'nuff said. 2 Peter is not literal at all, but it's showing an example of how God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

I think you make a really good and valid point. The problem stems when translators encounter the Hebrew word "yom", which is used in Genesis 1 for the word "day". In all other places of the Bible, it describes a specific 24-hour period. However, due to the sentence structure of Genesis 1, "yom" can be translated differently. A "day" was simply a period of creation - from the dawn to dusk - to separate when God created everything. It is obviously not referring to a solar day because the sun and most cosmic bodies weren't created until the fourth "day".

So for all you "TL;DR" people, I agree with you, though there is an understandable reason for debate, due to translational differences/clashing ideas on Biblical literalism, etc.

Wow, do you really know Hebrew or did you look it up in Wikipedia? :D considering God never really changed dawn and dusk times according to what we know, and the Sun was created on the FIRST day. He didn't create the heavenly bodies, but he did create the Light. So there. :CHappy: Unless that word used for light meant God's shining radiance.

And this isn't?

I'm not shouting. I'm simply debating and enjoying the discussion. It's managed to stay pretty intelligent up to now.


Agriculturalist... I don't know if I can answer your post. It's so dang long it would take me hours. I don't have that kind of perseverance.

 

[Dan.]

Hey Agriculturalist...how long did that take you? Also, it seems kinda...far out.