Fifth Timeline: Characters

[Kaeb]

I just wanted to feel like I contributed to a discussion :CCry2:CCry1

You still can mate <3

 

[Saint]

Don't worry.

I got it!!

 

[Rom]

Don't worry.

I got it!!

 

[Ols]

That could actually be developed pretty well. Since the New Jedi Order treats these new Sith as "not real Sith" simply for the fact that Anakin Skywalker supposedly destroyed the Sith could actually be a reason why he leaves them. Considering that such a viewpoint would mean the Jedi aren't taking the Sith threat as seriously as they should.

That's where I initially got the idea of a trained Knight making the pretty radical decision to abandon the Order. I know that there had been people who left it over a difference in philosophy or how the Order acted, and I felt that someone who is extremely well read (after being brought out of slavery on Dathomir, Rav's eagerness for an education and learning how to read and write turned him into quite the reader, constantly saving everything from stories to technical manuals to magazines to scientific and technical journals and just absorbs information at a staggering rate) would be really concerned and honestly very nervous about the return of the Sith.

If the Jedi are unwilling to treat the Sith (who have vanished for a thousand years in the past and the Jedi believed that they were extinct and the rise of the Dark Side was just the work of pretenders... yeah, because that could never happen again, amirite?) as the true threat that they are and not realize the devastation they could unleash upon the galaxy, he would see his only option as operating independently and trying to take out the threat before it can grow into the ten thousand year empire that Darth Sidious dreamed of.

ESPECIALLY(!) since the Jedi should have access to both the Great Holocron *and* the Telos Holocron, a compendium of all the combined knowledge of the Jedi and the Sith Lords and should know that the way of the Sith lies in deception.

Why does "The Jedi don't believe these Sith are the True Sith, but actually imposters" mean that "The Jedi aren't taking this thread seriously"? Nobody's said the Jedi aren't taking them seriously, their issue is apparently nomenclature (which in my opinion is one that should be irrelevant to a wise Jedi, but there you go...).

Whether the Jedi think they're True Sith, False Sith, Crap Sith, Blue Sith, whatever the fact remains that there's this ****ing great big invading Empire on their doorstep, sending red lightsaber wielding nutters and stromtroopers and Star Destroyers to wip[e out the Alliance and the Jedi, so I would assume they take the thread relatively seriously, whatever they call them.

 

[Green Ranger]

Plus the Jedi have a history of underestimating the Sith threats time and time again for the past few tens of thousands of years. I think by now they've learned their lesson.

 

[Horizon]

Plus the Jedi have a history of underestimating the Sith threats time and time again for the past few tens of thousands of years. I think by now they've learned their lesson.

Best post evar.

 

[Malon]

Plus the Jedi have a history of underestimating the Sith threats time and time again for the past few tens of thousands of years. I think by now they've learned their lesson.

Have they? I mean, they even underestimated Darth Krayt and went through yet another Purge. Unless the light finally came on after all these centuries, who's to say if they've finally gotten the picture or not?

 

[Ols]

Have they? I mean, they even underestimated Darth Krayt and went through yet another Purge. Unless the light finally came on after all these centuries, who's to say if they've finally gotten the picture or not?

The premise of this timeline starts with them already ingratiated within the Alliance army as commanders of troops. Whether or not they win or lose remains to be seen, but they're definitely taking to arms and challenging this threat, whether they're true Sith or just a bunch of Dark Jedi wearing Sith masks.

 

[Denzein]

Have they? I mean, they even underestimated Darth Krayt and went through yet another Purge. Unless the light finally came on after all these centuries, who's to say if they've finally gotten the picture or not?

My Jedi character is being centred about this. He's taken it upon himself to ensure another Purge doesn't come about. Seeing as I'm hoping he'll be on the council, he'll be able to inject some sense into them.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Plus the Jedi have a history of underestimating the Sith threats time and time again for the past few tens of thousands of years. I think by now they've learned their lesson.

Yeah I have no clue why the writers always do that with the jedi. Like, palpatine I can understand, they had no clue what was up with that. But I mean ffs...

 

[Ser Gregor]

TBF the Jedi took the One Sith seriously. They just didn't know they existed until they were allied with the Empire and the Jedi found themselves in a losing war.

 

[Cailst]

Plus the Jedi have a history of underestimating the Sith threats time and time again for the past few tens of thousands of years. I think by now they've learned their lesson.

Maybe in the years in between, they took the Sith threat too seriously and went after every sithlike organization wasting incredible amounts of resources and not keeping peace elsewhere as well as they should have?

So when the sith actually appeared, they just dismissed it as just another waste of time and energy.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Why does "The Jedi don't believe these Sith are the True Sith, but actually imposters" mean that "The Jedi aren't taking this thread seriously"? Nobody's said the Jedi aren't taking them seriously, their issue is apparently nomenclature (which in my opinion is one that should be irrelevant to a wise Jedi, but there you go...).

Whether the Jedi think they're True Sith, False Sith, Crap Sith, Blue Sith, whatever the fact remains that there's this ****ing great big invading Empire on their doorstep, sending red lightsaber wielding nutters and stromtroopers and Star Destroyers to wip[e out the Alliance and the Jedi, so I would assume they take the thread relatively seriously, whatever they call them.

The premise of this timeline starts with them already ingratiated within the Alliance army as commanders of troops. Whether or not they win or lose remains to be seen, but they're definitely taking to arms and challenging this threat, whether they're true Sith or just a bunch of Dark Jedi wearing Sith masks.

Per Ols on both accounts.

The Jedi have become commanders of the Alliance troops before the war has even begun, so they're not exactly sitting around hoping that if they just ignore the Sith then they'll go away.

Maybe in the years in between, they took the Sith threat too seriously and went after every sithlike organization wasting incredible amounts of resources and not keeping peace elsewhere as well as they should have?

So when the sith actually appeared, they just dismissed it as just another waste of time and energy.

Except starting a timeline where the Jedi look inherently stupid from the beginning isn't what's going to happen, and it's not what was in the write up either.

 

[Matt]

Maybe in the years in between, they took the Sith threat too seriously and went after every sithlike organization wasting incredible amounts of resources and not keeping peace elsewhere as well as they should have?

So when the sith actually appeared, they just dismissed it as just another waste of time and energy.

You are the stupidest intelligent person ever.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

You are the stupidest intelligent person ever.

You just said stupidest.

 

[Rom]

If you view a group as just pretenders, you are inherently not treating them as seriously as you would if you thought that they were the actual group. While they may be militarized and ready to fight, that doesn't mean that they are treating them in the same capacity as they would if they believed that the Prophecy of the Chosen One hadn't been fulfilled and the Force still needed balancing. The Empire, under the resurgent Sith, has become a threat. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jedi are gearing up for war just because those folks in red lightsabers have returned. The NJO has been involved in the Alliance military since it formed. Saying that they're integrated as commanders is basically saying that they've been doing the thing that they had been doing since 1ABY on through to the second purge.

The NJO has access to the Telos Holocron and the Great Holocron. There is no reason for them to believe that it isn't possible for these resurgent Sith to be the actual Sith. By labeling them as pretenders, they are underestimating their capabilities.
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Not to mention that the Think Tank is going to have to come up with an explanation for why the Imperial Knights didnt do their sworn duty and remove all aspects of the Dark Side from the Empire. While they're loyalty is to the Emperor, if the Emperor falls or is being influenced by the Dark Side, the Knights have a sworn duty to either bring him back to the light, remove the corrupting force, or kill him. If we're going with the canon Imperial Knights, they should have fought the Sith to the last man to keep them from gaining control of the Empire...

 

[Cailst]

Except starting a timeline where the Jedi look inherently stupid from the beginning isn't what's going to happen, and it's not what was in the write up either.

I know, just offering an possible explanation on why the Jedi ignore all the other threats in every other instance.

 

[HK-2E]

I just figured out what my indie character will be. It will be the mad scientist endeavor I came up with. My other idea was just stupid.

 

[Malon]

If you view a group as just pretenders, you are inherently not treating them as seriously as you would if you thought that they were the actual group. While they may be militarized and ready to fight, that doesn't mean that they are treating them in the same capacity as they would if they believed that the Prophecy of the Chosen One hadn't been fulfilled and the Force still needed balancing. The Empire, under the resurgent Sith, has become a threat. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jedi are gearing up for war just because those folks in red lightsabers have returned. The NJO has been involved in the Alliance military since it formed. Saying that they're integrated as commanders is basically saying that they've been doing the thing that they had been doing since 1ABY on through to the second purge.

The NJO has access to the Telos Holocron and the Great Holocron. There is no reason for them to believe that it isn't possible for these resurgent Sith to be the actual Sith. By labeling them as pretenders, they are underestimating their capabilities.
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Not to mention that the Think Tank is going to have to come up with an explanation for why the Imperial Knights didnt do their sworn duty and remove all aspects of the Dark Side from the Empire. While they're loyalty is to the Emperor, if the Emperor falls or is being influenced by the Dark Side, the Knights have a sworn duty to either bring him back to the light, remove the corrupting force, or kill him. If we're going with the canon Imperial Knights, they should have fought the Sith to the last man to keep them from gaining control of the Empire...

I agree with this 100%

 

[Ols]

If you view a group as just pretenders, you are inherently not treating them as seriously as you would if you thought that they were the actual group. While they may be militarized and ready to fight, that doesn't mean that they are treating them in the same capacity as they would if they believed that the Prophecy of the Chosen One hadn't been fulfilled and the Force still needed balancing. The Empire, under the resurgent Sith, has become a threat. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jedi are gearing up for war just because those folks in red lightsabers have returned. The NJO has been involved in the Alliance military since it formed. Saying that they're integrated as commanders is basically saying that they've been doing the thing that they had been doing since 1ABY on through to the second purge.

The NJO has access to the Telos Holocron and the Great Holocron. There is no reason for them to believe that it isn't possible for these resurgent Sith to be the actual Sith. By labeling them as pretenders, they are underestimating their capabilities.

You're assuming that a Jedi is going to treat a "Sith" differently from a "Dark Jedi". It's an issue of nomenclature, nothing more. It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with how serious a threat they are, it just means that rather than thinking they're Sith, they're Dark Jedi. It doesn't matter. In my opinion, the prophecy of the Chosen One makes no sense and is impossible to ever understand, as it's to "bring balance to the force" which can be interpreted in several different ways (most fairly as balance meaning "there is both light and dark"). I must confess, it seems extremely stupid for the Jedi in this era to consider that the prophecy only related to the finite structures of Sith and Jedi, as both light and dark are consistently resurgent irrelevant of that.

But yeah, nomenclature doesn't mean much.

Not to mention that the Think Tank is going to have to come up with an explanation for why the Imperial Knights didnt do their sworn duty and remove all aspects of the Dark Side from the Empire. While they're loyalty is to the Emperor, if the Emperor falls or is being influenced by the Dark Side, the Knights have a sworn duty to either bring him back to the light, remove the corrupting force, or kill him. If we're going with the canon Imperial Knights, they should have fought the Sith to the last man to keep them from gaining control of the Empire...

I can only assume that the independent Imperial Knights will have a good reason to be so. Probably something like following an Emperor in exile, or having the foresight to coorindinate their removal of the Sith Emperor...an Imperial Knight might be sworn against the dark side controlling the Empire, but that doesn't mean they have to be stubborn and pig headed in their practice. If they can see they have more chance of success in the long run by immediately withdrawing, regrouping and beginning plan B, then why should they continue with plan A and end up slaughtered?