Game of Thrones Season 5

[Dawyn]

Season 2 it wasn't really the case - killing Renly got him flak, but the focus was still on Robb as being the 'Unsullied favourite' for obvious reasons. Blackwater gained him a few brownie points and then it started going downhill.

Season 3 and 4 had the problem of adaptional villainy. "He was an infidel." as opposed to "I will have no burnings. Pray harder." Almost being giddy at the prospect of burning Gendry (as opposed to being extremely conflicted over his nephew), relying on and sucking up to Melisandre far more than in the books ("I want Robb Stark dead. I want you.") and of course there was the irksome change where Melly is the one who pardons Davos, rather than Stannis coming to his own decision. Speak to just about any Unsullied and they'll comment on how they dislike Stannis pre-Season 5 because they think he's being controlled by 'that religious zealot red woman'.

This pretty much. Made me wonder if DnD hated Stannis or something.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Those people were dumb.

Stannis would by far be the most competent ruler for Westeros. He simply has no personality and wouldn't inspire the loyalty of the people. Which is why, to me, Daenerys would be the better monarch.

Out of everyone in Game of Thrones, I think Tyrion would he the best ruler. That's what I think anyways.

 

[CaptainWolfgang]

Stannis would be a great ruler, but he's harsh and very unpopular. In the books they mention that when he was on the Small Council under King Robert he suggested banning brothels. He'd probably also convert everyone he conquered to the Lord of Light, which would start some rebellion shit.

Tyrion or Jon would be baller Kings, but their claims would be problematic.

 

[BLADE]

No they wouldn't.

Tyrion: Asshole. A funny one to the reader, granted, but he unnecessarily insults necessary power brokers, isolates himself, doesn't build up alternate power bases (go back to Shagga and aim for influence in Lannisport; also stay the **** out of Joffrey's way), etc. Lacks a sense of self-preservation, would not be popular (and could not become a pious popular kind of hardass like Stannis might --I never bought into the popularity argument for him.) His best point --his intellect-- is not so overwhelming (Varys and Littlefinger and various other players outmaneuver him) as to make him an obvious choice for Hand (adviser perhaps) let alone King.

Jon: Does a shitty job ruling the Night's Watch. Does not create buy-in for his policies (even on the show.) Tends to lead on the front, and? Oh yes. Forsakes his vows for some family bullshit. Gets stabbed for it by his own men. Has left the Watch arguably even more vulnerable to The Others/Winter/other bullshit.

The only actual halfway decent candidate (by default) is Stannis Baratheon. All the "different faith" stuff is frankly pretty irrelevant --he's pragmatic enough to rule a la Henri IV and in any case there are precedents IRL for different faith royalty ruling over a populace.

I've gone on in the past at length about how Daenerys is horrible. Oh and perhaps Asha Greyjoy. Maybe Sansa if she gets savvier. But right now, out of all the remotely plausible guys, he's it.

Which is why he'll either die, be defeated in a humiliated way or decide to give up his quest because of some heavy shit going down.

Mind you that's not a bad thing. One of the few tropes (which the series is inconsistent about in any case) which ASOIAF actually gets more or less morally right is the moral turpitude of oligarchy. Westeros could do with a radical democracy or at least a parliamentary bourgeoisie revolution.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Catching up with the show. I just watched 5x06.

That scene -- you know the one -- wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but that was definitely one of the most uncomfortable moments of the series.

Yikes.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

No they wouldn't.

Tyrion: Asshole. A funny one to the reader, granted, but he unnecessarily insults necessary power brokers, isolates himself, doesn't build up alternate power bases (go back to Shagga and aim for influence in Lannisport; also stay the **** out of Joffrey's way), etc. Lacks a sense of self-preservation, would not be popular (and could not become a pious popular kind of hardass like Stannis might --I never bought into the popularity argument for him.) His best point --his intellect-- is not so overwhelming (Varys and Littlefinger and various other players outmaneuver him) as to make him an obvious choice for Hand (adviser perhaps) let alone King.

Jon: Does a shitty job ruling the Night's Watch. Does not create buy-in for his policies (even on the show.) Tends to lead on the front, and? Oh yes. Forsakes his vows for some family bullshit. Gets stabbed for it by his own men. Has left the Watch arguably even more vulnerable to The Others/Winter/other bullshit.

The only actual halfway decent candidate (by default) is Stannis Baratheon. All the "different faith" stuff is frankly pretty irrelevant --he's pragmatic enough to rule a la Henri IV and in any case there are precedents IRL for different faith royalty ruling over a populace.

I've gone on in the past at length about how Daenerys is horrible. Oh and perhaps Asha Greyjoy. Maybe Sansa if she gets savvier. But right now, out of all the remotely plausible guys, he's it.

Which is why he'll either die, be defeated in a humiliated way or decide to give up his quest because of some heavy shit going down.

Mind you that's not a bad thing. One of the few tropes (which the series is inconsistent about in any case) which ASOIAF actually gets more or less morally right is the moral turpitude of oligarchy. Westeros could do with a radical democracy or at least a parliamentary bourgeoisie revolution.

I agree with you on Jon. I do not think Jon would make a good ruler, A good genral or something like that yes, but not a ruler. Although i hate you Moira for spoling what happened, I am on "A Feast For Crows." I think Sansa would be a good ruler, Just give that girl time. That being said i am here to defend my main Half-Man Tyrion.

You say he isolates himself, I don't know what you mean by that. Then you say he doesn't build up alternate power bases. I remember a whole chapter where him and Janos Slynt are talking to one another. Tyrion's all like "I am sending you to the wall" Which he did then he put someone he could trust, to command the Gold Cloaks. I am pretty sure thats what happens.

Then you say Tyrion is not a popular choice, Wrong Wrong Wrong. Many people had a problem with Dany because she was a woman, She showed them. Tyrion would not be popular because of what? He's a Dwarf? Well when STANNIS roles up with all of his big old army. TYRION plans out and best him. The wild fire in the bay destorys STANNIS's superior fleet. That was Tyrion's idea. Then later in that battle where the Hound run's away (I like the hound by the way) Tyrion Leads a charge outside of the city gates! He rally's the men to make another push! Also When him and Bronn are leaving the Vale, Tyrion makes all of those tribes men not kill him. He had to have some sort of Charisma to make those people follow him.

Then you say his strongest attribute his Intellect. Is not that Superior, to Vary's or Little Finger. Again i have to disagree, Vary's is only where he is simply because of his "Little Birds." Without Vary's "Little Birds" Where would Vary's be? I have no idea, I will give Vary's this though, he knows how to use his "Little Bids." That's all he is though, The master of Whispers. Without his whispers where would he be?

Now lets talk about Little Finger. Little Finger is smart, he knows how to play the game well. I can't remember any time where he out wits Tyrion. Or actually i think LF did when he told the small council to that he could go get the Tyrells? I can't remember. Really i think little finger is a boss, Simply because he came from nothing and now he is a Bad***. That being said i do not think he is = to Tyrion.

Lets just take this into consideration. Tyrion's Father Tywin. Tywin was the BEST ruler, One of my favorite Characters by far. Thats really all i need, Tyrion came from Tywin. Tywin and Tyrion are = in Intellect and ability to rule. Is what makes their relationship so epic is that fact. Tyrion has the ability to be Tywin, but he is a dwarf and he killed his mom. Tyrion is like a miniature monster Tywin.

These are my thoughts, tear them apart for me. I will still think Tyrion would be the best ruler.


Oh and Brandon, Ya that episode was extremely uncomfortable to watch.

 

[BLADE]

You say he isolates himself, I don't know what you mean by that. Then you say he doesn't build up alternate power bases. I remember a whole chapter where him and Janos Slynt are talking to one another. Tyrion's all like "I am sending you to the wall" Which he did then he put someone he could trust, to command the Gold Cloaks. I am pretty sure thats what happens.

All of which is dependent on Dear Old Dad not taking that away from him. Sensible younger sons in history go away and find things outside of family consuetudines to give them power. Basic feudal history there.

Then you say Tyrion is not a popular choice, Wrong Wrong Wrong.

I don't say that. Martin and the TV show say that. Several times. I happen to agree.

Many people had a problem with Dany because she was a woman, She showed them.

No she didn't. She's a terrible ruler who is hugely unpopular with a certain segment of the population she rules.

Tyrion would not be popular because of what? He's a Dwarf?

Well yeah. And a creep who relies on wealth and threats of naked force to get what he wants. A man who hates himself and is short-sighted enough to continually poke at people he shouldn't be making his enemies. He's also an alcoholic with poor impulse control. Again. This is all shown both on the books and the TV series.

Well when STANNIS roles up with all of his big old army. TYRION plans out and best him. The wild fire in the bay destorys STANNIS's superior fleet. That was Tyrion's idea.

And?

Then later in that battle where the Hound run's away (I like the hound by the way) Tyrion Leads a charge outside of the city gates! He rally's the men to make another push!

And?

Also When him and Bronn are leaving the Vale, Tyrion makes all of those tribes men not kill him. He had to have some sort of Charisma to make those people follow him.

And?

Then you say his strongest attribute his Intellect. Is not that Superior, to Vary's or Little Finger. Again i have to disagree, Vary's is only where he is simply because of his "Little Birds." Without Vary's "Little Birds" Where would Vary's be? I have no idea, I will give Vary's this though, he knows how to use his "Little Bids." That's all he is though, The master of Whispers. Without his whispers where would he be?

This is both irrelevant and doesn't address a single point. Both Varys and Littlefinger manipulated Tyrion for their own ends.

Now lets talk about Little Finger. Little Finger is smart, he knows how to play the game well. I can't remember any time where he out wits Tyrion.

You mean other than the time he framed Tyrion for killing the king thus forcing him to flee for his life? Yeah. Me neither.

Lets just take this into consideration. Tyrion's Father Tywin. Tywin was the BEST ruler, One of my favorite Characters by far.

Actually he wasn't either. He was petty, short-sighted, continually underestimated his enemies (Robb, Tyrion, etc.), spat on customs that generally protect soft-handed nobles like him (guest-right, and if you think he disassociated himself with that...), and had bankrupted the richest family in Westeros by the time he was in his sixties. He also failed the most elementary test of ruling: prepping for the one threat that would literally kill everyone in the world (the Others.)

Charles Dance is pretty cool though.

 

[Kaeb]

Tyrion in a limited advisory role seems perfect for me going forward.

I think Danaerys will be a martyr, she'll die and live on as some sort of symbol in infamy.

Jon should just die of old age at the Wall.

Jaime and Cersei just gotta Romeo and Juliet one another to death.


Sansa for Queen, until she dissolves the system.

 

[CaptainWolfgang]

When will everyone accept that Littlefinger is best suited to be the one true King?

 

[Shiuzu]

Jaime and Cersei just gotta Romeo and Juliet one another to death.

They'd probably end up killing each other out of rage than love at this point.

 

[Kaeb]

They'd probably end up killing each other out of rage than love at this point.

I was gonna say sexual frustration, but okay.

 

[Dmitri]

I'd be surprised, and annoyed if everyone does so much seeking the throne and Bran ends up king.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

King Brandon does have a nice ring to it.

 

[Clayton]

I'd be surprised, and annoyed if everyone does so much seeking the throne and Bran ends up king.

Nah, I bet Children of the Forest magic requires him to die in order to kill the Night King or something dumb.

 

[Dawyn]

Saw a leaked clip of what happened in today's episode...no spoilers but God damn you, DnD, why do you hate one particular character so?

 

[Venk]

What did Dungeons and Dragons do?

 

[Dawyn]

What did Dungeons and Dragons do?

Spoiler: READ AT YOUR OWN RISK! SPOILERS! I WARNED YOU, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!

From this clip it looks like they actually went and had Stannis burn Shireen.

BOOK STANNIS

>I will have no burnings. Pray harder.
>You will avenge my death, and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt.
>The throne is mine, as Robert’s heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son.
>I have a duty to my daughter

SHOW STANNIS

>burn her praise rhollah

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

http://streamable.com/0m2k

 

[Venk]

Goooooooooods daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn iiiiiiiiiiiiit redacted

 

[Shiuzu]

Edit: Venk, spoiler tag that name up.

 

[Venk]

That photo looks like Chewbacca's trying to be Batman and stop a robbery